Proposal: Despres and Stoner trade

[Daximus]

I have a feeling that none of the 29 other GM's are letting Murray unload one of Despres and Stoner as a cap dump to sign his young rising star defencemen. We saw it with the Teravainen+Bickel trade, the Crouse+Bolland trade and the Datsyuk+2016 1st rounder trade.
I can see the Ducks having to part with one of their 1st rounder, Ritchie, Larsson, Montour or Theodore in order to move Despres or Stoner. And likely only getting 2nd and/or 3rd round picks back.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Thompson to LTIR, Depres to LTIR, problem solved for now.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Thompson to LTIR, Depres to LTIR, problem solved for now.

+1 the only way despres has a chance anymore is to take a very very long time off. To fully recover

 

[Halla]

Thompson to LTIR, Depres to LTIR, problem solved for now.

doesnt this only give them about 4M in space?
I cant see lindholm taking anything less than 5

 

[voxel]

Ducks fans remember the Andy McDonald trade for cap space. What do they dump this time around?

 

[dracom]

Anaheim isn't going to offer Montour to offload Stoner.

Why not? Montour is kind of expendable with Vats signed long term.

 

[Daximus]

doesnt this only give them about 4M in space?
I cant see lindholm taking anything less than 5

Yeah I'm not sure who told people sending both of those guys to LTIR would open up a lot of cap space but it's definitely not even enough to give Lindholm a 1 year bridge deal. Unless he signs on the cheap. Plus they'd have to figure out the salary issue when they are coming of LTIR. Which likely means they have to lose a top tier prospect in order to make a deal to clear the space. Probably Theodore.

 

[Neiler]

Mark Borowiecki and one of Francis Perron or Colin White for Clayton Stoner and Shea Theodore. Anaheim frees up 2.15M in cap space and converts their high end D prospect to a forward prospect.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Mark Borowiecki and one of Francis Perron or Colin White for Clayton Stoner and Shea Theodore. Anaheim frees up 2.15M in cap space and converts their high end D prospect to a forward prospect.

I would actually consider something like that, well have Lindholm manson and Vatanen on long term deals.... Montour and larsson still controlable... I think if we package 1 of our young d with stoner and bring back a good forward prospect itS not as bad on us..

Obviously it's more of a worst case thing from out perspective, idk much bout the 2 prospects you listed

 

[Exit Dose]

Why not? Montour is kind of expendable with Vats signed long term.

Right handed puck moving d-men are one of the most highly sought after commodities on the market. You do not sell that for pennies on the dollar to offload a 3 million dollar contract. I would trade a first round draft pick before doing that.

 

[Neiler]

I would actually consider something like that, well have Lindholm manson and Vatanen on long term deals.... Montour and larsson still controlable... I think if we package 1 of our young d with stoner and bring back a good forward prospect itS not as bad on us..

Obviously it's more of a worst case thing from out perspective, idk much bout the 2 prospects you listed

Perron is a flashy offensive LW who needs to put on some weight. Definitely has skill but is pushed around too easily at his size.

White is the safer bet from what I gather but I haven't seen him play at all myself so I can't comment.

Either way though, something like this might be your only way out of Stoner.

 

[Halla]

If im the leafs I'm offering to take stoner off the ducks hands, and send them a forward prospect for a montour/theodore/larsson.

Kapanen for Theodore and Stoner?

putting Despres on LTIR would then give them 7.25M in space

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Perron is a flashy offensive LW who needs to put on some weight. Definitely has skill but is pushed around too easily at his size.

White is the safer bet from what I gather but I haven't seen him play at all myself so I can't comment.

Either way though, something like this might be your only way out of Stoner.

Ya I looked em up white seems more like what we'd go for. I'd def consider thst move. White has at least 1 more year before he comes out tho right? Which kinda is a hit of a turn off cause we need wing help asap... but I still like the general idea/basis of it

Kapanen for stoner + theo or montour would also be a decent move from our perspective, and I think kapanen makes our t3am no probk3m

 

[Neiler]

We can add Matt Puempel if you can add an equal contract. Puempel needs to play top 9 and he's just been having a hard time sticking on the roster here. Bit of a gamble for you guys but it could have a big reward if he clicks.

Would be best for us if you could add an equal cost bottom pair RD for depth.

 

[SprDaVE]

Anaheim isn't going to offer Montour to offload Stoner.

Teams aren't going to take Stoner for nothing either. A mid-round pick isn't going to be very enticing, especially since that player is signed for another year.

If it Stoner was easy to unload, I'm pretty sure Murray would have done so by now.

I'm sure a team like the Leafs could offer some good to solid cheap depth pieces, even a good prospect or two, to make it work. I'll be honest, you have a couple good young defenders that would bolster our depth there. We have the cap space to help you re-sign Lindhom. We aren't going to give up our cap space for a pick or two though. We have a crap ton of space space next year and Stoner wouldn't even dent it... so I think we can make something happen.

 

[Exit Dose]

Teams aren't going to take Stoner for nothing either. A mid-round pick isn't going to be very enticing, especially since that player is signed for another year.

And when I start saying that Anaheim is going to offload Stoner for nothing the above will cease to be a strawman.

 

[SprDaVE]

And when I start saying that Anaheim is going to offload Stoner for nothing the above will cease to be a strawman.

Good luck.

 

[Exit Dose]

Good luck.

And to you.

 

[snipes]

And when I start saying that Anaheim is going to offload Stoner for nothing the above will cease to be a strawman.

The issue is ANA has zero bargaining advantage. Despres has recurring concussion symptoms and might never play again (hopefully he's okay, concussions are not something to mess around with).

Stoner is a 3rd pairing Dman making over $3.25M.

ANA has no leverage, opening up room to sign Lindholm is going to hurt.

 

[Exit Dose]

The issue is ANA has zero bargaining advantage. Despres has recurring concussion symptoms and might never play again (hopefully he's okay, concussions are not something to mess around with).

Stoner is a 3rd pairing Dman making over $3.25M.

ANA has no leverage, opening up room to sign Lindholm is going to hurt.

Can you read? I didn't say that I expect Anaheim to trade Stoner for nothing. That also does not mean that everything is on the table.

 

[snipes]

Can you read? I didn't say that I expect Anaheim to trade Stoner for nothing. That also does not mean that everything is on the table.

Yes, I can read.

You mentioned not unloading Montour to move out Stoner. Unfortunately ANA has no leverage and it's going to hurt to move Stoner, a guy like Montour or Theo will likely be included (luckily you guys have a stud in Larsson).

Fact is, you guys aren't in a position to strong arm any team. Teams aren't interested in helping you guys out.

 

[Exit Dose]

Yes, I can read.

You mentioned not unloading Montour to move out Stoner. Unfortunately ANA has no leverage and it's going to hurt to move Stoner, a guy like Montour or Theo will likely be included (luckily you guys have a stud in Larsson).

Fact is, you guys aren't in a position to strong arm any team. Teams aren't interested in helping you guys out.

Offering draft picks isn't strong arming.

 

[snipes]

Offering draft picks isn't strong arming.

Agreed and it's probably your best strategy. But mid round picks alone won't do it, Stoner is an expensive 3rd pairing Dman. One of your young D prospects will likely have to be added as well.

Luckily for you guys, you know how to scout Dmen and have some damn good young players. I'd hang onto Larsson personally, he has the highest ceiling.

 

[SFD22]

I'll try again:

TO ANA: JVR + Leipsic + Corrado + 2nd 2017 (SJ)

TO TOR: Fowler + Stoner + Theodore

Anaheim gets the top line LW they want and a young, cost controlled LW that can play 3/4 line right now. Corrado is a (small) contract going their way that is 6/7/8 depth. Frees up the cash for Lindholm and rids them of the Stoner contract. They would still have young, cost controlled defence in Larsson and Montour waiting for top 4 roles.

Leafs get immediate help on the blueline in Fowler who could prove to be a core piece and get signed long-term. Theodore is a good offensive defence prospect that could probably step into the Leafs lineup immediately as well. Stoner is a 100% cap dump that the Leafs can take on by shifting some of their contracts to LTIR.

 

[Magic Man]

I think the team's who had any interest in paying positive value for Despres just shrivelled up to 0. Concussion issues again after last year and a full 5 years on his contract. I think the Ducks would have better luck getting out of Stoner's 2 years at this point.