Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[stickty111]

He was put in charge at a tough time where he had to sign his star rfa's. The person he replaced which we were told was a major mistake had the chance to sign Nylander the summer before but decided the priority was near retirement Marleau at 6.5. He also had to improve the D core which again neither Burke, now looking for a new job.... again in Nonis, and Lou never could. He was able to sign his rfa's at higher amounts than expected which should be on Lou because he's shown here and NY he lets agents run over him. He improved the D core and pretty much revamped the entire D core except for Rielly. Sandin he drafted along with Dubas's development system made Holl into an NHL player. Liljegren was drafted by Lou but his development was in Dubas's system so thats a Dubas piece really.
Covid ruined some plans but he has done a great job adding pieces under a flat cap.

He just needs playoff success but the lack there of isn't on him. He has improved the team in difficult circimstances from Covid to cleaning up mistakes from other GM's. He inherited a team with young stars who needed new deals and a flawed up and coming team and done great things with it.

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[mcleex]

Kyle Dubas traded Kadri for Kerfoot.

That alone gives him an F on the test

 

[deprw]

Kyle Dubass traded Kadri for Kerfoot.

That alone gives him an F on the test

Kadri has ruined four playoffs series for his team. He is definition of F. Three suspensions and meltdown against Dallas. One hat trick doesn't change that.

 

[stickty111]

Kadri has ruined four playoffs series for his team. He is definition of F. Three suspensions and meltdown against Dallas. One hat trick doesn't change that.

I agree. Love the guy still but he still can't be trusted.

 

[deprw]

I agree. Love the guy still but he still can't be trusted.

That's the problem with him. Love the player. Heart and soul, but with short fuse. It's easy to agree that he would have been gift against Tampa in a sense with veteran like Perry, but he is also at the same time accident waiting to happen in the hands of players like Maroon.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

That's the problem with him. Love the player. Heart and soul, but with short fuse. It's easy to agree that he would have been gift against Tampa in a sense with veteran like Perry, but he is also at the same time accident waiting to happen in the hands of players like Maroon.

As opposed to our guys who have no fuse to begin with.

 

[deprw]

As opposed to our guys who have no fuse to begin with.

You didn't watch first two games of that Tampa series? Clifford and Simmonds had and got put into place pretty fast, would have happened also to Kadri and if he didn't learn (which isn't his strong suit) that would have been parade to penalty box play after play.

 

[Dreakmur]

He was put in charge at a tough time where he had to sign his star rfa's. The person he replaced which we were told was a major mistake had the chance to sign Nylander the summer before but decided the priority was near retirement Marleau at 6.5. He also had to improve the D core which again neither Burke, now looking for a new job.... again in Nonis, and Lou never could. He was able to sign his rfa's at higher amounts than expected which should be on Lou because he's shown here and NY he lets agents run over him. He improved the D core and pretty much revamped the entire D core except for Rielly. Sandin he drafted along with Dubas's development system made Holl into an NHL player. Liljegren was drafted by Lou but his development was in Dubas's system so thats a Dubas piece really.
Covid ruined some plans but he has done a great job adding pieces under a flat cap.

He just needs playoff success but the lack there of isn't on him. He has improved the team in difficult circimstances from Covid to cleaning up mistakes from other GM's. He inherited a team with young stars who needed new deals and a flawed up and coming team and done great things with it.

People who succeed don’t beee excuses

The guy has done a generally good job, but he’s yet to figure out the art of building a team. He’s learning. Threads like this are counterproductive.

 

[killer1980]

That's the problem with him. Love the player. Heart and soul, but with short fuse. It's easy to agree that he would have been gift against Tampa in a sense with veteran like Perry, but he is also at the same time accident waiting to happen in the hands of players like Maroon.

Except now that he is in Colorado, he has done a complete turnaound with his demeanor and performance. That is on the coach and GM for sure. The fact that he has done that in Colorado means his bosses here weren't good enougn to rein him in.

 

[deprw]

Except now that he isin Colorado, he has done a complete turnaound with his demeanor and performance. That is on the coach and GM for sure. The fact that he has done that in Colorado means his bosses here weren't good enougn to rein him in.

Last season he took pretty stupid suspension and they lost. Year before that he bobbled puck against Dallas in game seven and they lost. His been great player after he signed that contract but during four playoff runs he has f***ed up. That's a fact and I like the player. He is Mr. Jekyll and Dr. Hyde.

 

[TheRumble]

Personally I hated the Kadri trade and was willing to give him another chance. I always thought he gave the team a unique and formidable 1-2-3 center combo down the middle with Tavares. Hindsight 20/20 we still would have had money to have signed TJ Brodie who I think has been a great addition to the team we had kept Kadri too but at the time you can't be predicting what other team's pending UFAs are gonna do a year in advance. I think the initial trade was meant to be Mark Jankowski and TJ Brodie for Kadri but Kadri exercised his NMC and nixed it.

That being said I understand the trade. Trade from a position of strength to shore up a position of weakness. At the time of the trade, the Leafs right side defense was: Cody Ceci. Given how the likes of Polak, Hainsey and Zaitsev were keyed in on in previous playoff series during breakout attempts, it wasn't so bad to get a decent PMD to prevent further explotation. Barrie however was just not good for us. Kerfoot ended up being far better than expected though.

 

[ShaneFalco]

He was put in charge at a tough time where he had to sign his star rfa's. The person he replaced which we were told was a major mistake had the chance to sign Nylander the summer before but decided the priority was near retirement Marleau at 6.5. He also had to improve the D core which again neither Burke, now looking for a new job.... again in Nonis, and Lou never could. He was able to sign his rfa's at higher amounts than expected which should be on Lou because he's shown here and NY he lets agents run over him. He improved the D core and pretty much revamped the entire D core except for Rielly. Sandin he drafted along with Dubas's development system made Holl into an NHL player. Liljegren was drafted by Lou but his development was in Dubas's system so thats a Dubas piece really.
Covid ruined some plans but he has done a great job adding pieces under a flat cap.

He just needs playoff success but the lack there of isn't on him. He has improved the team in difficult circimstances from Covid to cleaning up mistakes from other GM's. He inherited a team with young stars who needed new deals and a flawed up and coming team and done great things with it.

Poor Kyle - doing everything right apparently but still no success but that's not on him? From overpaying to creating the wrong mix of players - but he had it tough. Please

 

[rocketman588]

Must be a tough time to be gifted 3 generational forwards and an upper tier puck moving D.

I feel really bad for him he had to come into a job as NHL GM and negotiate contracts, no nhl GM has ever had to resign an RFA

That's why he signed Matthews and Marner to horrific deals (5 years for AM was stupid) and gave a nmc to Matthews the last year of his I guess

 

[GreytWun]

Dubas made a mess of this team by giving out those contracts to unproven players.

 

[ACC1224]

Fresh topic. Nothing that hasn’t been mentioned in countless other threads still on the first page.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Poor Kyle - doing everything right apparently but still no success but that's not on him? From overpaying to creating the wrong mix of players - but he had it tough. Please

When will it go on the Players? what else is Dubas suppose to do? he has actually put together pretty good teams. Dubas gets a little too much hate imo

 

[Racer88]

When will it go on the Players? what else is Dubas suppose to do? he has actually put together pretty good teams. Dubas gets a little too much hate imo

If the players won’t or can’t get it done then he needs to start changing them

 

[ACC1224]

When will it go on the Players? what else is Dubas suppose to do? he has actually put together pretty good teams. Dubas gets a little too much hate imo

Who brought in the players?

If the players are good enough and the GM has ‘passed the test” must be on the coach then?

 

[justashadowof]

He's failed the lone metric that matters: playoff success. And next year we'll try to pass that test with what is shaping up to be JFJ era goaltending uncertainty.

 

[francis246]

Lol.. he hasn’t won a round with this group. He has not passed the test. I like Dubas but he has not won in the playoffs. So he gets a D- or an F.

For as much good as he’s done, him giving Matthews a 5 year deal and Marner a 6 year deal walking them to UFA is a fireable offense.

 

[rocketman588]

When will it go on the Players? what else is Dubas suppose to do? he has actually put together pretty good teams. Dubas gets a little too much hate imo

The person that chose to have them/ keep them on the team fed them insane amounts of cash/ hired the coach that's supposed to motive them and is in charge of shaking up the room if things go wrong never has any accountability

Why should they

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[1specter]

Last season he took pretty stupid suspension and they lost. Year before that he bobbled puck against Dallas in game seven and they lost. His been great player after he signed that contract but during four playoff runs he has f***ed up. That's a fact and I like the player. He is Mr. Jekyll and Dr. Hyde.

The suspensions fine but the 'bobbled puck against Dallas' is a really stupid thing to hold against him and say he f***ed up the entire playoff run, mistakes happen in hockey all the time. Without Kadri they don't even get to game 7of that series, I'm pretty sure he was their leading scorer or at least #2 to only MacKinnon those playoffs.

 

[pcruz]

I find it really hard to grade Dubas to be honest.

He has changed his approach drastically from focusing on skill guys, to going for grit, and now going for experience.

Most of his free agency deals have been good, some have been damn near miraculous, and some have been atrocious.

On the trade front, there haven't been any home runs, but a couple of really good ones, but we've also had a bunch of blunders.

Player signings have been ok, but the big ticket guys seemed to have gotten all of what they wanted while role players have been forced to feed off the remaining scraps.

I think Dubas has significantly improved as a GM recently, and it is showing on the ice as well as behind the bench.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I think Dubas has significantly improved as a GM recently, and it is showing on the ice as well as behind the bench.

It's nice that all 3 guys get their training wheels here