When was the last time we saw Nash do this? I honestly dont recall it happening once this year. 9 times out of 10 Nash carries across the blue line and gets checked because he doesnt use his linemates as much as he could.
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When was the last time we saw Nash do this? I honestly dont recall it happening once this year. 9 times out of 10 Nash carries across the blue line and gets checked because he doesnt use his linemates as much as he could.
stan the caddy
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Most of the time you don't actually score on your possession, that's hockey. In the year and a half that Nash has been here he's put together a highlight reel of great goals and assists where he beats defenders and breaks down defenses. How often do you see Stepan walk around a defender or hold onto to the puck and draw and extra defender over to open space?
Nash will pull some crazy dangle to get around a dman but if he doesn't score fans say that he sucks. It's amazing. You don't have to be a professional scout to see how much better he is than all the other forwards on the team.
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Nash has played 17 fewer games and if he had a guy on his line that could score at a 35 goal pace he'd certainly have a lot more assists.
Stepan has a higher PPG than Nash, regardless of games played.
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Stepan has more than twice as many assists as Nash does. Very nearly 3 times, actually.
35 to 12. And Nash is the best set up man on that line?
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Literally making **** up, rofl.
Stepan is a much better playmaker than Nash. Only time they're even comparable is the 10-15 games that Nash realizes he has linemates.
Ugh this fan base. Stepan was a ****** player who will never be a 1st liner and should be traded because he can't skate a week ago. People realized this week that he's been a ppg since January and now he carries Rick Nash.
Neither carries the other. The complement each other. One is an elite goal scorer who is a legitimate 1st liner. The other has potential to be a 60-70 point two way center and he's only 23.
Neither carries the other. The complement each other. One is an elite goal scorer who is a legitimate 1st liner. The other has potential to be a 60-70 point two way center and he's only 23.
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I was really aggravated with how Stepan started his season. But, yet again, he just needed some time, like half the roster did.
He's been the second best Ranger since the olympics, behind McGod.
These coming playoffs however will be VERY telling. He has not performed well in any playoff series yet.
He's been the second best Ranger since the olympics, behind McGod.
These coming playoffs however will be VERY telling. He has not performed well in any playoff series yet.
Hypothetically if Miller reaches his potential of being a 2C, would you really be against him and Stepan being your 1 and 2?
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Nope. Miller has good size and a good motor. And he obviously has talent. But it will be a few years before he's playing at that level I think, assuming he can reach it at all.
If Stepan can give us 60+ points every year, I'm happy. Right now he's at 50 with 10 games to go and the way he has been scoring lately, 60+ is very possible.
Look at Bergeron's numbers the last 6 years:
Yr Gms G A Pts
08-09 64 8 31 39
09-10 73 19 33 52
10-11 80 22 35 57
11-12 81 22 42 64
12-13 42 10 22 32
13-14 71 22 28 50
He had a couple 70+ years after the first lockout, but scoring was way up across the league, especially that first year.
Stepan and Bergeron have the same number of points this year, though Stepan has played 1 more game and Bergeron has more goals.
Krejci hasn't been a PPG player either.
Yr Gms G A Pts
08-09 82 22 51 73
09-10 79 17 35 52
10-11 75 13 49 62
11-12 79 23 39 62
12-13 47 10 23 33
13-14 71 16 44 60
There's no reason Stepan can't be a top 6 center for the Rangers for a long time.
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I thought he was pretty good last year, personally. He had at least 5 primo set-ups squandered by terrible finishing attempts. And he scored some big goals.
Still having nightmares of Hagelin hitting the crossbar on a perfect pass on a 2 on 1.
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It's easier to pick up assists when the guy you're passing it to can actually put the puck in the net. The funny thing about point totals is that the there needs to be a goal for players to pick up assists. I've seen Nash set up a lot more tap ins that he's gotten and he's not even the playmaker on the line.
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I'm not saying Stepan is a bad player or that he should be traded. I agree that he has the ability to be around a 60 point player and his defensive game makes that very valuable. Last year lead a lot of people to believe that he's an 80 point guy. Nash was the reason why.
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Expecting Step to take #1C duties is a bit much at his mere age of 23. in 2-3 years, he may become an alternate 1C, but for now, he's a 2C, who does a stellar job defensively. He has the vision for playmaking, and a good pass. He lacks skating speed and a solid shot, and unless that develops further, he won't be more than a 2C...
That's fine by me as long as we can acquire a 1C, even someone who is on the 1C side of a 1C/2C tweener. (stastny is not ideal, but realistic. Brad Richards is most certainly not a 1C anymore, and I wouldn't trust Brassard in the #2C Role if Stepan was forced to move up to a 1C position).
Miller CAN absolutely take the 3C position starting next season, as him and Brassard are the same sans Brass's NHL experience. Beyond that, Brassard is good trade bait
That's fine by me as long as we can acquire a 1C, even someone who is on the 1C side of a 1C/2C tweener. (stastny is not ideal, but realistic. Brad Richards is most certainly not a 1C anymore, and I wouldn't trust Brassard in the #2C Role if Stepan was forced to move up to a 1C position).
Miller CAN absolutely take the 3C position starting next season, as him and Brassard are the same sans Brass's NHL experience. Beyond that, Brassard is good trade bait
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Weird, because he has 12 assists on the year. 12. There are 10 games left and he has 12 assists. And he's "set up a lot more tap ins?" I seriously, seriously doubt that.
Plus, since when is setting up a play where someone else only needs to tap the puck in the true definition of an assist? Step has almost 3 times the number of assists Nash does. 3 times. I seriously, seriously doubt that those are all him passing the puck to Nash who bulled his way to the net, because I can literally count the number of times that Nash has done that and scored this year on my hands.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Nash is a great player in certain areas. Using his line mates and playing the playmaker role is not one of those areas. If it ever has been, it's definitely not this year.
Nash is a one man band. Part of it is just because thats the kind of game he plays and part of it is bad habits he picked up during his 10 years on a terrible team.
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I don't know how many times I have to say it but you don't get an assist if the puck doesn't go in the net. A tap in is one of the few assists where you don't have to rely on your teammate's skill to an extent. How many cheap assists does Nash get? Stepan threw one in front of the net last game and it bounced onto Nash's stick and he buried it. It had nothing to do with Stepan's playmaking prowess. Nash doesn't get many of those because he plays on a line with two guys that aren't good at scoring at this point in their careers.
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Yeah but I don't see Nash setting anyone up this season outside of Kreider in that Philly game. Last season was a different story though.
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Stepan gets set up a lot. He had about three chances on the power play from right in the slot last game when Nash and MSL were feeding him. You don't get an assist for a good pass, only when it goes in.
haveandare
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My bad, I see what you're saying more clearly now.
However, how many cheap assist does Nash get? I can't say. Total though he has very few. Even if all of them are "good" assists, you don't think even a third of Stepan's assists are of comparable quality? It's not like he's got 12 and Stepan has 15 or something. There is a huge, huge difference that can't be accounted for in changes of quality in my opinion.
Stop using logic. Don't you know that on HFboards advanced stats are the only thing that matters? The qualitative means by which players score and get points means nothing here. Something which you can only get by watching the games
If it's not clear, I completely agree with you
