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Derek Stepan

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SnowblindNYR said:
BS, Stepan was great even when Torts took him off his line and Nash looked worse. Stepan helped Nash as much as vice versa.
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I disagree. Nash scores a bunch of goals on odd man rushes and breakaways. He skates through and around people. The guy hardly ever gets set up for a nice little tip in or open net. He's a shoot first player and he's still the best set up man on that line.

I like Stepan a lot as a player but it's unbelievable how much **** Nash gets from this fanbase. They hold his ability against him.
 
stan the caddy said:
Nash is the reason why Stepan looked like a ppg player last year. Stepan is a real solid 2 way center with upside but people went overboard after last season. Nash makes that line go and it's a shame that he doesn't get as many outlet passes in transition. He basically has to create everything on his own.
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This is a load of ****.

Nash and Stepan complimented each other perfectly. Stepan always made the smart pass to Nash, where he could drive the net and score. Stepan could also shoot, and Nash has underrated passing ability. They go very well together. They make each other better. It's not Nash carrying Stepan.
 
Raspewtin said:
This is a load of ****.

Nash and Stepan complimented each other perfectly. Stepan always made the smart pass to Nash, where he could drive the net and score. Stepan could also shoot, and Nash has underrated passing ability. They go very well together. They make each other better. It's not Nash carrying Stepan.
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It totally was last year. I'd hardly consider passing the puck to the right side of the ice in the neutral zone a great set up. They did that over and over last year. Nash consistently carried the puck over the blue line.

When Nash came to this team everyone said Nash's numbers would increase due to the lack of talent in Columbus. Well, he's playing with Stepan who's well below average when it comes to offense for a number one center.

Once again, I like Stepan, like his two way game but that's not really going to help Nash's offensive numbers as much as playing with a legit offensive center would.
 
stan the caddy said:
It totally was last year. I'd hardly consider passing the puck to the right side of the ice in the neutral zone a great set up. They did that over and over last year. Nash consistently carried the puck over the blue line.

When Nash came to this team everyone said Nash's numbers would increase due to the lack of talent in Columbus. Well, he's playing with Stepan who's well below average when it comes to offense for a number one center.

Once again, I like Stepan, like his two way game but that's not really going to help Nash's offensive numbers as much as playing with a legit offensive center would.
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He was going at a PPG pace last year and sustained a concussion, he hit PPG once. How is that NOT an improvement?
 
Raspewtin said:
He was going at a PPG pace last year and sustained a concussion, he hit PPG once. How is that NOT an improvement?
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He played well last year. I'm not arguing he didn't. The notion that his success is due to Stepan is a joke though.

If I pass the puck to you in the neutral zone and you fly through the offensive zone, beat a defender, and deke the goalie out, it's all you. Nash hardly gets great passes.
 
stan the caddy said:
He played well last year. I'm not arguing he didn't. The notion that his success is due to Stepan is a joke though.

If I pass the puck to you in the neutral zone and you fly through the offensive zone, beat a defender, and deke the goalie out, it's all you. Nash hardly gets great passes.
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Yeah, cause I ever said that.

I actually specifically said they compliment each other perfectly, I never insisted Stepan is the reason Nash was so good. And Nash is playing with talent, therefore his numbers have risen.
 
Raspewtin said:
Yeah, cause I ever said that.

I actually specifically said they compliment each other perfectly, I never insisted Stepan is the reason Nash was so good. And Nash is playing with talent, therefore his numbers have risen.
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Another poster said that Stepan helped Nash as much as Nash helped Stepan. That's not true at all and I'd hardly say that Stepan is the perfect complement for Nash. I don't know how you could say that a below average(offensive) number one center is a great compliment.

Nash has the elite talent and skill on that line. He's the player that can beat defenders one on one, he can get a large volume of shots to the net, and he's the great finisher. Stepan is mostly an opportunist that players a solid two way game. Oppoing teams aren't breaking down because Stepans coming through the zone.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
13 points in his last 12 games, so kind of a weird time to single him out.

I think hes the guy thats playing his game and closest to his ceiling. I dont expect him to be a top-tier #1 center, because thats not what his skill set dictates. He is playing like the solid, steady #2C he is.

Kreider and Nash, on the other hand, leave something to be desired nearly every game.
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I was talking his season as a whole being disappointing. He was invisible way too many nights, and Kreider and Nash didn't get anything from him whrn they were playing their best hockey of the season.

Only on this board do the wingers get blamed for struggling when the center isn't producing. Its not not Kreider and Nash were missing tap ins created by Stepan.

In fact, it was the other way around for about four months.

If he has a poor postseason again like the previous three, his 12 game streak wont make up for it.
 
Stepan has assisted on 8 of Nash's 22 goals, seven primary.

Stepan has assisted on 7 of Kreider's 17 goals, six primary.

Not everything shows up on the scoresheet, but the idea that both Kreider and Nash have scored the bulk of their goals without Stepan's playmaking is accurate, especially if you deduced that from simply watching games.
 
Nash doesn't need Stepan. Nash has never needed anybody to create chances for him. His centers during his two 40 goal seasons were David Vyborny and RJ Umberger.

However, when hes been provided with an elite center, he produced. Specifically, Joe Thornyon at Davis and at the WC's.

Personally, our top should be MZA-Brassard-Nash. The two best playmakers with the best goal scorer.
 
Raspewtin said:
That Brassard line had zero chemistry together.
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The way the lines are set up right now might not work against Boston or Philly.

MSL is the X-factor. He's doing nothing and neither is Richards. Maybe put them back together and ride them until they get it done.
 
stan the caddy said:
Nash is the reason why Stepan looked like a ppg player last year. Stepan is a real solid 2 way center with upside but people went overboard after last season. Nash makes that line go and it's a shame that he doesn't get as many outlet passes in transition. He basically has to create everything on his own.
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Absolutely not. Stepan still played like a beast when he was put on a line with Hags and Callahan. He was a tremendous player last year on his own.
 
I think Stepan has been far better than Nash over the accumulative past 2 seasons.

You'd think there would be more respect for the team's leading point scorer the past 2 seasons, signed to a bargain contract and one of the best defensive players in the league.

IMO he is definitely a building block for any team in the league.
 
stan the caddy said:
He played well last year. I'm not arguing he didn't. The notion that his success is due to Stepan is a joke though.

If I pass the puck to you in the neutral zone and you fly through the offensive zone, beat a defender, and deke the goalie out, it's all you. Nash hardly gets great passes.
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He never said that. Stepan has helped Nash be successful. The same way Nash has helped Stepan be successful. They compliment each other well. That is what happens when two players compliment each other and play well together. They drive the success of the other.
 
Stepan has been one of our best players since the Olympics ended. He's been our most productive forward since then. This is do or die time when it comes to making the playoffs.

The last 13 games--or since the Olympics:

Stepan 5g-10a-15pts
Nash 5g-3a-8pts
Kreider 4g-3a-7pts
Richards 1g-3a-4pts
Brassard 5g-1a-6pts
Zuccarello 0g-6a-6pts
Hagelin 5g-2a-7pts
Pouliot 1g-3a-4pts
St. Louis (in ten games) 0g-3a-3pts

McDonagh 4g-5a-9pts.
 
The two are good on a mutually exclusive basis, IMO... by that I mean, neither particularly better unto himself with the other, and they really could be on different lines.

Stepan is defimitely NOT riding Nash's coat-tails, nor vice-versa. I don't think Nash is really as good as everyone says. He can shoot. Other than the few times he'll show some fancy dangles, he really doesn't create much, at least this season. He's a lot like Gaborik in that he really can't carry the puck in a meaningful way.

I personally think "chemistry" is an overblown concept, but our only guys who seem universally compatible are Hags, Brassard and MZA... Pouliot to an extent.
 
Gardner McKay said:
He never said that. Stepan has helped Nash be successful. The same way Nash has helped Stepan be successful. They compliment each other well. That is what happens when two players compliment each other and play well together. They drive the success of the other.
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Once again how is Stepan a great compliment for Nash? He just happens to be the best center the Rangers have. Stepan is not much of an offensive player.
 
BobMarleyNYR said:
The two are good on a mutually exclusive basis, IMO... by that I mean, neither particularly better unto himself with the other, and they really could be on different lines.

Stepan is defimitely NOT riding Nash's coat-tails, nor vice-versa. I don't think Nash is really as good as everyone says. He can shoot. Other than the few times he'll show some fancy dangles, he really doesn't create much, at least this season. He's a lot like Gaborik in that he really can't carry the puck in a meaningful way.

I personally think "chemistry" is an overblown concept, but our only guys who seem universally compatible are Hags, Brassard and MZA... Pouliot to an extent.
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So you're telling me that that literally the two best offensive players this team has had in recent years couldn't carry the puck in a meaningful way? There's a reason why those two guys could score 30-40 goals and the rest of the team struggles to hit 20.
 
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