He had a ton of scoring chances against the Flyers, he'll eventually have to break out if he continues staying in position like he was last night.
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He had a ton of scoring chances against the Flyers, he'll eventually have to break out if he continues staying in position like he was last night.
Listen, I get what your saying but you really need to look at the bigger picture as it relates to players and the team as a whole. In regard to Stepan, the "only" reason he is even an NHL player is because of his high hockey IQ and his passing skills. I would love for him to succeed here but he has way too many holes in his game(lack of size, grit, physicality, inconsistent, etcetera) for him to improve and justify his spot as our 2nd line center.
We really don't have enough goal scorers on our roster to be able to compete with a 2nd line center like Stepan who doesn't score any goals!
NYR Viper
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He was the 2nd line center last year and the team was #1 in the East. I would say they can succeed with him as the #2 center. Maybe they need to upgrade on the wing to get other players who can score on his feeds and compliment him?
Someone has to pass the puck to those guys who score. Hence why assists are valued in this sport.
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JimmyG89
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That trade is a bust for both sides. Hamilton and Segiun only have 1 goal combined this season and it was an empty net goal!! We should be able to get them for Taylor Pyatt.
Goals are not the end all be all. I Being a great passer is like having a great shot. Both can produce goals. You need both to win. We can use another scorer for either the 2nd or 3rd line.
Bingo! You and I have reached the first plateau in that we agree that this team desperately needs more goal scorers! If Cally is out for any length of time(and you can bet that he will be), we are down to a small handful of goal scorers!
The 4 assists he has this year have not been great passes to set up someone up for a goal or big shots that a teamate deflected in. They have been plays where he happened to touch the puck before another player made a play. These aren't Adam Oates assists and if you can't score goals why are you a second line center?
Succinctly and poigantly stated! I was starting to get the impression that I was the only Ranger's fan who believed that "you can't have a guy as your 2nd line center if he can't score a lousy goal."
Well you must be a blast at parties then.
haha I mean, I'm pretty much the funniest person on Earth... feel free to call my friends/co-workers/clients. But that would be weird...
The point is, just because we like to call things out, doesn't mean we are negative people.
The guy hasn't scored since the Truman administration.
As for Stepan, he's been terrible. They both suck right now (and pretty much since before the playoffs, last year) Period.
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I'm with you. Some of these Ranger's fans are way too sensitive and overly protective of the players on the roster.
The truth is we have a huge dearth of goal scorers on the roster and not nearly enough talent down in Conn.
People rave about the drafting we've done yet name me one player that we drafted in recent history who has star quality? I see all these young players producing in lineups thruout the league and yet there we are struggling to score goals and when injuries strike, we have absolutely nobody worthwhile to bring up from the minors.
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Exactly
Watch a Blues game then talk to me about our "great young players". Those guys all fly. Outside of the big 3, we are a glorified AHL team on offense.
This is nothing new, though. People have been over-hyping mediocre players for years.
Stepan needs to pick up his play without a doubt. I think we were hoping he might be able to create more goal scoring chances and show he has taken some steps forward as a player.
That being said, he is obviously snakebit, like Hagelin, and I'm sure he will play better if he gets a goal and some more confidence.
It is clear our roster needs more guys with can skate and put the puck in the net. However, this imbalance does not mean we should get overly critical a few games into the season where we haven't even had a preseason.
That being said, he is obviously snakebit, like Hagelin, and I'm sure he will play better if he gets a goal and some more confidence.
It is clear our roster needs more guys with can skate and put the puck in the net. However, this imbalance does not mean we should get overly critical a few games into the season where we haven't even had a preseason.
NYR Viper
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I get that/ Good players find ways to get on the scoresheet even when they are not playing well. I will be the first person to say Stepan needs to play better. I am sure he knows that too.
I think you missed my point. Who cares if a 60 point player has 60 assists or 20 goals and 40 assists? Either way he is obviously involved in 60 goals for.
cd211
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all our talent is on D..not many teams have an entire home grown defense corp like ours..plus most other teams with sick young talent have been ****** for years and have had top 10 picks that were able to build there teams up and stock pile young talent...
oilers have had the last 3, number 1 overalls..
pits had crosby, malkin top pics back to back draft pretty much..
tampa, Stamkos
boston, Seguin, Marchund
islanders, tavaras
st. louis drafter most of there young core in top 10...
Chicago- toews, kane
I mean you can go on and on...
its how the cookie crumbles.. maybe we should have tanked and been ****** for a few years to get that kind of young top talent..
we drafted the best and built a good team since the lockout..
I think what alot of the hater's are missing is: Tort's is happy as a Pig in Poop to win these games 2-1. That's his style..That's what he want's.. He won't allow the Creative player's to be Creative, he want's these guys down low blocking shots, dump and chase, and the like. I'm sure the younger player's especially, are scared poopless to make a mistake, so their more focused on playing D..I'm sorry fella's not many 40 goal scorer's in the history of The NHL were also Selke winner's.. Ya seen @ his presser how much class the guy has calling the younster Hagelin out in front of The world..IMHO C. Hagelin-D. Stepan-C.Kreider-J.T Miller-C.Thomas- on and on will never score consistently until either Tort's is canned or the player gets traded. If you are expecting that from this group, you might want to get used to it or Take up bowling.. Good or bad this is Tort's style. It's his Team...Also IMHO i personally think Hagelin- & Stepan have played pretty well and much better than several of the other forwards in the last 2-3 games.. This team has far more pressing issues than these two as far as i can see.
Understand your point about Torts obession with defense and yes young players are concerned about making defensive mistakes.
Thought Hagelin played well in offensive zone vs. Flyers. But when I see Stepan in the offensive zone, I keep saying -- When the hell is going to do something to contribute to the scoring? He just keeps going to the half boards and looks to drop the puck back to the point? This is a 2nd line center?
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Yet he still only has 1 less point than our ostensible number one center despite playing 3 minutes less per game and almost 2 minutes less per game on the power play. So yes, that's your 2nd line center.
You and me and many of my friends are all on the same page with the talent on this team and in Conn; really pathetic!
cd211
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well said..i couldn't agree more, however i can argue that if you look at MDZ..Torts kept him on a short leash, scared the crap out of him his sophomore year and he became the player hes suppose to be.. torts demands perfection and the best out of everyone, its part of the process for young players to know they did bad, and to expect better.. Hagelin was praised by torts on the bench during last night game...he just said that in the presser because he never sugarcoats anything..he wears his heart on his sleeve exactly how he depends his players to act and play the game..
haveandare
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Gaborik has scored 100+ goals in three years on NYR. He scored 41 goals and 76 points last year. He's never, ever been anywhere near the Selke conversation yet he's been getting first line minutes pretty much since he came to NY. Richards put up 66 points last year, had first line minutes, and was far from a defensive dynamo. Stepan, as a 21 year old, put up 51 points and was the 2C all year. He already scores consistently for a guy of his age at this level. MDZ was 18th in the league in scoring for defenseman and was not great on the D side of the puck.
I'm sorry, but the idea that Torts doesn't let creative players be creative is a cop out. The fact is, we don't get the glitzy draft picks that provide young talented scorers and getting players with offensive talent in trades isn't easy.
Torts certainly didn't seem as happy as a pig in poop last night during his presser. He was pissed that they almost lost the game despite playing better than the opposition for 60 minutes. He wants them to destroy every team they play, I'm fairly certain of that. He expects young players to play solid D because D is a requirement for having success at the NHL level. There aren't many teams that win 6-5 and the like consistently. If you can't play D, they'll find someone else who can do it while also putting up a respectable amount of offense.
It seems like a lot of people on the boards aren't happy unless every. single. player. is an offensive dynamo. The league doesn't work that way. Gaborik, Richards, Nash, Callahan, Stepan and MDZ are consistent scorers in comparison to the rest of the league. Guys like Hagelin, Pyatt, McD, Staal and others are on and off scorers, sometimes they find that part of their game and sometimes they don't. Notice that those guys are also responsible defensive players. Then there are guys like Boyle and Girardi who are great at D and lack offensive prowess. Welcome to the NHL under the salary cap. You can't have three lines of consistent scorers because a. there aren't that many scorers in the league and b. there definitely aren't that many scorers who can also play top-notch defense, which is required to win in today's NHL.
Edit: Wanted to add that the prospects you listed haven't exactly been lighting up the AHL with their offense. I guess the fear of Torts, even on another team in a different league, is so strong that it's crippling them.
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Grass is always greener...
for the sake of a little objectivity do the following - check out Blues stats from last season, assign however you rank the Rangers roster players against these stats and then ask yourself 1. how it compares to what Rangers have done and 2. would you be happy if the Rangers produced like that?
And also, the team can't have all Nash's and Gaborik's in every position. So the players that you call mediocre are actually role players and most of the posters judge them based on their roles which mean it's mostly little things and not flashy highlights. Stepan being only 22 has performed admirably as a Ranger... And he's only 22! Disclaimer - I'm not Stepan's fanboy.
3rdlineglory
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First off, it's not pathetic.
Second, you should check/remind yourself where the Rangers have been drafting the last few years. You should actually be quite satisfied with the results especially if you consider how bad this team used to be at drafting.
Saw who was posting in this thread and knew what the criticism would be before I even read it. The predictability of some of our guys here is hilarious.
Stepan will be fine. He's in good position, and it's only a matter of time before he starts catching some breaks.
The predictability of some of our guys here is hilarious. Stepan will be fine. He's in good position, and it's only a matter of time before he starts catching some breaks.
Way off topic, but the comments here recently and the post above reminded me of something.
From what I have heard, young folks getting their performance reviews at companies are upset enough at the feed back they get that their parents are picking up the phone and complaining to the HR department.
I wonder how long before that starts happening around here?
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