Dec 10: JT Miller is back skating with the team, return date TBD

[tyhee]

I think that’s reasonable, but I think the only thing arguing against this line of thinking is how blunt he was in his post game interview. I don’t think he would have thrown JT under the bus with the “I played the guys who I thought would help us win” comment. If he knew JT was dealing with something, you probably answer that in a different way.

So Tocc put Miller on blast when he JT clearly has some off-ice things going on? Not a great look.

My take is different.

Clearly Tocchet was going to be asked about Miller. Given that he was not using his team's top forward for the last 14 minutes with his team was down a goal, he really didn't say much. He didn't criticize Miller's play and he didn't criticize Miller's effort. He didn't go into why he thought others were more likely to help the team win.

If you had a player who had some issue that meant he wasn't playing effectively but that the player didn't want made public, what would you say when asked about the benching? There is no good way to deal with it. Even a "I won't comment about that" would encourage speculation more than saying he just went with the guys he thought most likely to help win the game.

It may be that there was a better answer, but Tocchet was in a tough position. He could have done much worse.

 

[BluesyShoes]

It definitely does seem like an odd decision, though, to do it this way instead of just saying 'he's been playing hurt since the start of the season and we've just made the decision to shut him down for a few weeks to heal up'. As soon as the words 'personal reasons' are used for anything, it's like a bat signal for toxic fans to come out of the woodwork and act like total assholes.

My take is that we are going to start seeing a lot more of this from this organization. Just blanket zero info on certain issues, including chronic injuries, and chalking them up to "personal reasons."

The moment "injury" is said, the media doesn't leave the player alone about it anytime their play drops off. I think this organization is progressive in viewing player health as a personal issue that shouldn't be public, especially with chronic injuries.

This "personal reasons" label gives a bit more protection and privacy to the player from the media's direct questioning. Yeah the tin foil hats are going to go wild at first, but once we see these absences for "personal reasons" get normalized, that will likely calm down. It also creates a murkiness around the players so that if they do take leave for more scandalous reasons, the team won't have to signal anything to the media.

 

[tyhee]

But he's also not entered the league's mental health programs, apparently. Removing him from the roster is also awfully freaking weird. Most of this stuff is usually handled through the PA pretty typically, but it seems the league or PA aren't involved at all

Puckpedia is now showing Miller on IR.

 

[Rick Rocket]

I think I saw him on one of those "Going Home" video shorts a short while back. I dunno, not trying to guess but I got a bit of a stressed vibe. Hopefully JT takes as much time as he needs, his family is healthy, and he takes care of himself and what is important to him.

 

[Phrasing]

Hope whatever he’s struggling with in his personal life remains personal to him and he can find what he needs.

 

[Raistlin]

It definitely does seem like an odd decision, though, to do it this way instead of just saying 'he's been playing hurt since the start of the season and we've just made the decision to shut him down for a few weeks to heal up'. As soon as the words 'personal reasons' are used for anything, it's like a bat signal for toxic fans to come out of the woodwork and act like total assholes.

I made the mistake of reading twitter comments when the news came out.... calling it a cesspool is an understatement. no sane person should spend any amount of time in that environment of non-information and come out not regretting the time wasted.

 

[iFan]

For one, and there is more than one, Dhaliwal down-plays the situation and implies that in spite of this major announcement by Allvin and the Canucks, that Miller could be out only 4 days just because he got benched for one period of one game. You don't make major announcements like this about a player that needs what amounts to little more than a maintenance day.

If Miller needs a "reset" warranting a major announcement by the Canucks and extended time off because he's butthurt like Dhaliwal suggests, then trade him immediately. He's mentally weak and not the type of player we need.

But that's not J.T. Miller and we all know it. He is a warrior.

That’s actually very responsible of him to do in this market…

 

[Vector]

Puckpedia is now showing Miller on IR.

Puckpedia is wrong. I don't see it anywhere where he was removed from the roster either. At least officially.

 

[Nucky]

I think I saw him on one of those "Going Home" video shorts a short while back. I dunno, not trying to guess but I got a bit of a stressed vibe. Hopefully JT takes as much time as he needs, his family is healthy, and he takes care of himself and what is important to him.

FWIW Those are shot during the off-season, and I could be wrong but the feature they did on JT was last year. This year it was Garland, Bains and Boeser.

 

[LordBacon]

I made the mistake of reading twitter comments when the news came out.... calling it a cesspool is an understatement. no sane person should spend any amount of time in that environment of non-information and come out not regretting the time wasted.

Social media really changed people,
or maybe revealed them for who they are.

 

[lawrence]

indefinite part scares me. I hope everything is ok, and i hope he takes whatever time he needs out. He's played sooooooo f in hard for us the last 6 years, he needs his space when he needs it. He deserves it.

 

[Raistlin]

Social media really changed people,
or maybe revealed them for who they are.

without being political, comparing to what is out there. I praise our mods for doing their job, to guide the discourse to some semblance of coherence.

 

[tantalum]

That would be extreme for what is being framed as a reset.

I think realistically, he's probably gone for a couple of weeks to do exactly that (and heal his shoulder). On a personal note, I hope everything is okay and he can comeback in a healthy state of mind.

If we aren't making a trade, I'd like to give a younger guy like Raty a chance at playing a top-6 center role to start.

If they were sure it would be a relatively short amount of time I imagine they would go the IR/LTIR route with whatever injuries he has. Or if it was similar to Forbort they would be saying the general timeframe.

They didn’t do any of that. I wouldn’t expect him back anytime soon. I hope he returns soon but not counting on it.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

what happens when a player goes on personal leave like this? if it doesn’t involve players’ assistance, IR, or LTIR does he still get paid? does he still take up cap?

 

[wonton15]

what happens when a player goes on personal leave like this? if it doesn’t involve players’ assistance, IR, or LTIR does he still get paid? does he still take up cap?

He still gets paid and counts towards the cap.

 

[sting101]

what happens when a player goes on personal leave like this? if it doesn’t involve players’ assistance, IR, or LTIR does he still get paid? does he still take up cap?

"players on leave of absence from their NHL club will continue to be paid and count against the salary cap. However, they will have "nonroster" status and will not count against the team's roster limit"

 

[Vector]

"players on leave of absence from their NHL club will continue to be paid and count against the salary cap. However, they will have "nonroster" status and will not count against the team's roster limit"

Where are you getting this from?

 

[Wisp]

Could be as @Wisp mentioned maybe he doesn’t fit certain nhl protocols? Or there is just our management team seems to be bad at dealing with this type of thing.

i don't think I was the one who said this here but i definitely wondered it on the toilet earlier.

 

[bobbyb2009]

So we're clear to everyone reading this thread, that message applies to this forum as well.

So are we saying starting rumours like, for example, "Petey is sleeping with JT's wife- this explains the beef," this would be highly inappropriate? I kid, I kid, that is just a joke LOL

 

[Jyrki]

So are we saying starting rumours like, for example, "Petey is sleeping with JT's wife- this explains the beef," this would be highly inappropriate? I kid, I kid, that is just a joke LOL

Didn't the internet run with "Perry slept with Bedard's mom" to the point it actually elicited responses? Some people will spread any kind of nonsense just because they want to watch the world burn...

 

[arttk]

If you can get rid of Tucker Poolman, you can get rid of anything.

Not Dahliwal

 

[bobbyb2009]

Didn't the internet run with "Perry slept with Bedard's mom" to the point it actually elicited responses? Some people will spread any kind of nonsense just because they want to watch the world burn...

It was truly crazy, and we live in a world where there are too many of us who take pleasure in other peoples pain. I think it is horrible that we gang up on people when they are at their lowest, even when they deserve it

 

[F A N]

My take is that we are going to start seeing a lot more of this from this organization. Just blanket zero info on certain issues, including chronic injuries, and chalking them up to "personal reasons."

The moment "injury" is said, the media doesn't leave the player alone about it anytime their play drops off. I think this organization is progressive in viewing player health as a personal issue that shouldn't be public, especially with chronic injuries.

This "personal reasons" label gives a bit more protection and privacy to the player from the media's direct questioning. Yeah the tin foil hats are going to go wild at first, but once we see these absences for "personal reasons" get normalized, that will likely calm down. It also creates a murkiness around the players so that if they do take leave for more scandalous reasons, the team won't have to signal anything to the media.

I don’t think normalizing “personal reasons” for actual on-ice related injuries is a good thing. If it’s injury related it’s not that hard to trace back. It’s not like “lower body injury” or “upper body injury” exposes all that much. Plus there are standard taking points like he tweaked something and wanted to be careful etc. If you hurt your knee your friends and colleagues might ask you how’s that knee every day but so what? I guess I don’t see what the big deal is if a player needs to deal with fans and media wanting more information on how his injury is progressing.

More importantly, at some point, the team would place the player on IR. An injured player whether on IR or not can still practice with the team, attend meetings etc. A player on a personal leave of absence presumably would not be and certainly if he is with and around the team it takes away the privacy arguments over simply saying the player is injured.

Personal leave of absences to deal with off ice issues (whether it is to deal with the health of a family member or otherwise) is fine. There’s no need to extend this label to on-ice related injuries.

 

[FilHronek Orchestra]

Didn't the internet run with "Perry slept with Bedard's mom" to the point it actually elicited responses? Some people will spread any kind of nonsense just because they want to watch the world burn...

Did we ever find out what Perry even did?

 

[Hansen]

Did we ever find out what Perry even did?

Firmly under the rug and will not be mentioned again until after Perry has a hall of fame induction