Confirmed with Link: David Rundblad and Mathieu Brisebois to the Hawks for a 2nd (2014)

[Crazy_Ike]

Rundblad is very capable of turning his career around in Chicago. He still has a ton of potential. He was a dynamic player in Sweden.

9 points in 50 games and -20 says he hasn't been one in North America.

Bowman may see him as some kind of hidden gem for the Hawks style of play, but if Quenneville maintains his bias against young players making mistakes, he may well hate this guy. Certainly Phoenix's coach did.

That said we clearly got a player who was at rock bottom value after getting buried. If he can be brought around to the right way of playing, it should be here. If he does, this is a gigantic steal.

 

[Easton Modano Curve]

I posted what's below in January and still hold to the same school of thought when making trades. It's almost as if Stan Bo was listening.

Stay the proven course, Stan!
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It's hard to win during the trade deadline in a league where half the teams make the playoffs. The demand outstrips the supply and you have to overpay.

Personally, I'd rather trade Pirri/Morin for someone younger. Some trades that come to mind that shaped the Hawks a couple of years ago.
-Ruttu for Ladd
-Brandon Bochenski for Versteeg
-Matt Ellison + 3rd for Sharp + Meloche
-Barker for Leddy + Johnsson
-Wisniewski + Kontiola for Pahlsson + Stephenson

Hawks were big winners for getting Ladd, Versteeg, Leddy and Sharp. Looking back Hawks gave up a pretty serviceable NHLer in Wisniewski to rent Pahlsson on the back side of his career.

My point being, Pirri/Morin are good hockey players. They aren't without weakness but their biggest problem is probably Q right now. I'd rather see Pirri/Morin traded for other young/promising but unproven prospects who maybe not fitting into their organizations.

I think the Hawks should trust their success in identifying young unproven players instead trading for declining but more proven veteran talent. It may not be the popular sentiment with the Hawks 2nd line center situation right now. However, I think Pirri/Morin are too valuable to waste on stop-gap centers who are on the wrong side of their career - none of them look markedly more appealing than Shaw to be honest.

IMO, Hawks should be scouting the AHL hard right now and looking for guys with talent who might not be "fits" with their current clubs. Go and get a serviceable vet center, but not at the expense of some of our most proven AHL talent.

 

[Blackhawks]

LOL @ anyone saying Oduya or Leddy will be gone... If anyone is leaving its Roszival and he is not even leaving, it will look like this, I am not sure why people cant see this, its so simple...

Seabs Duncs
Hammer Oduya
Leddy Roszival/Runblad


This will be for next year and year after Roszi will be gone and Clendening will take his spot and again we will have 7 D fighting for 6 spots... Havnt we not learned by now what Hawks management and coaching likes to do?

Its so stupid to speculate that Leddy will be gone, I mean maybe just maybe Oduya but I really doubt it since the Hawks can sign him again for ~3.5sh which is a great price for a player with his capabilities. Same with Leddy, as he wont be getting anything more than Hammer.

Runblad is a project and if he is going to push anyone out he will have to prove himself being better than these guys, you dont say oh ya this is why Stan got him as he wants to get rid of Leddy or Oduya... Stan is more like thinking if there is anyone on the hot seat its Runblad himself if he doesnt prove himself worthy... I dont understand the thought pattern behind these extremely quick conclusions reached with absolutely no critical thinking whatsoever.

 

[clydesdale line]

I still think Oduya will be gone after next season (especially seeing Leddy outplaying him in certain stretches, even when put with Hammer for some shifts like he was the other night) but I would like to see another Swede connection in Dahlbeck (or even Hammer) with Rundblad and see how he fits with a more defensive partner and letting him do his thing. It'll be beyond moronic to have him paired with Leddy and/or Oduya next season, for a **** ton of reasons (even if Rundblad has the most grit out of those three) but I wouldn't put it past Q. I love the fact that he's a right handed shot as well. If he plays well for us, he better be on the damn PP with Leddy. He has terrific vision.

 

[ReillyO]

I don't expect to see both Oduya and Rozi still here next year. With Dalhbeck, Clendening, Johns and now Rundblad, I think they'll want to open up space for a kid and recoup picks like htey did with Bolly and Fro last year.

 

[Bubba88]

on another side, how can anybody not like that trade?

Rundblad has all the tools, he just wasn't able to show them in the NHL yet. Bowman wanted him a long time now. He knows what he is doing.
He wasn't able to make the stacked Yotes D so far? Who cares.

He'll fit right into our team and his style will help us. If not, we haven't lost anything. In the end we traded Pirri for Rundblad.

 

[Nothingman*]

on another side, how can anybody not like that trade?

Rundblad has all the tools, he just wasn't able to show them in the NHL yet. Bowman wanted him a long time now. He knows what he is doing.
He wasn't able to make the stacked Yotes D so far? Who cares.

He'll fit right into our team and his style will help us. If not, we haven't lost anything. In the end we traded Pirri for Rundblad.

Because we spent a 2nd is why I don't like it. On a project. That is a bit of an overpayment when proven NHL players are getting 2nds in trades.

 

[Illinihockey]

Because we spent a 2nd is why I don't like it. On a project. That is a bit of an overpayment when proven NHL players are getting 2nds in trades.

Only 20% of 2nd round picks play 200 games in the NHL. This isn't a NFL 2nd round pick.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Because we spent a 2nd is why I don't like it. On a project. That is a bit of an overpayment when proven NHL players are getting 2nds in trades.

It's a 2nd for a prospect who is much further along than anyone we would get at the draft. The kid is 23, most Dmen don't reach their potential until their late 20's. Anybody judging this trade based off of what the kid can do right now will be disappointed. This move isn't for right now, it's about 2 or 3 years from now.

This years draft is weak, and we already have the replacement pick for the one we traded away in this deal. He has much more potential than Pirri ever had. Leddy was probably just as bad defensively as this guy when he came into the league, and Q has got him to where he is now. I see no reason why he can't do it again. Age doesn't matter.

 

[ChiHawk21]

Does anyone know anything about Mathieu Brisebois?? I think i read the he was a shorter puck moving defenseman. Does he have a chance to play in the AHL/NHL at some point.

 

[Teemu]

Does anyone know anything about Mathieu Brisebois?? I think i read the he was a shorter puck moving defenseman. Does he have a chance to play in the AHL/NHL at some point.

He's already in the AHL. He's mostly there so that the Hogs can comply with the veteran rule.

 

[Blue Liner]

It's a 2nd for a prospect who is much further along than anyone we would get at the draft. The kid is 23, most Dmen don't reach their potential until their late 20's. Anybody judging this trade based off of what the kid can do right now will be disappointed. This move isn't for right now, it's about 2 or 3 years from now.

This years draft is weak, and we already have the replacement pick for the one we traded away in this deal. He has much more potential than Pirri ever had. Leddy was probably just as bad defensively as this guy when he came into the league, and Q has got him to where he is now. I see no reason why he can't do it again. Age doesn't matter.

It's always worth noting where in the 2nd round the pick will be, too. This isn't going to be the 31st pick, it's going to be the 55th-60th more than likely. That does make a difference.

 

[Nothingman*]

I know that 20% thing about second rounders. My point is he is reclamation project. He was given up on. Why a second for such a player especially how conservative GMs have been with trading picks? And to all the people commenting on his upside.....I assume you have watched lots and lots of his games to come up with that analysis. But in reality I am assuming it is YouTube and google searches helping you make the analysis.

 

[Illinihockey]

I know that 20% thing about second rounders. My point is he is reclamation project. He was given up on. Why a second for such a player especially how conservative GMs have been with trading picks? And to all the people commenting on his upside.....I assume you have watched lots and lots of his games to come up with that analysis. But in reality I am assuming it is YouTube and google searches helping you make the analysis.

I would imagine people think he has upside because this very site lists him as our best defensive prospect.

 

[Nothingman*]

I would imagine people think he has upside because this very site lists him as our best defensive prospect.

Same one that lists hismprobabity for success a D? OK. Hang your hat on that!

 

[Hawkaholic]

What about the people writing him off and saying he has been given up on, I assume you have seen many of his games in the NHL and know that there is no way he can improve?

He's an NHL Dman who needs some work on his defensive game.

And why did Dale Tallon give up what amounts to be roughly the same pick (and more) for Brandon Pirri? He was given up on, so why bother?

 

[member 151739]

Because we spent a 2nd is why I don't like it. On a project. That is a bit of an overpayment when proven NHL players are getting 2nds in trades.

Draft picks are entirely too overvalued on HF. Our 2nd will be pretty much a 3rd, and we'd probably draft a player in a similar situation to Rundblad. I don't understand the fuss.

 

[Nothingman*]

Not a fuss. Just some on here projecting he is going to be starting, has great upside, and I don't see it. That in itself is overvaluing a prospect. Not like we dont have a few just like him in the system without year or two burned up already.

 

[member 151739]

Not a fuss. Just some on here projecting he is going to be starting, has great upside, and I don't see it. That in itself is overvaluing a prospect. Not like we dont have a few just like him in the system without year or two burned up already.

He does have great upside. I doubt any of us are claiming he's going to reach his potential. We're just saying to give him a shot.

 

[Nothingman*]

I thought we were in win now mode. Not willing to break people into the team..... .

 

[member 151739]

I thought we were in win now mode. Not willing to break people into the team..... .

If he plays in Rockford, he'll help them out. If he plays in Chicago, well, he can't be any worse than Brookbank.

 

[massivegoonery]

If he plays in Rockford, he'll help them out. If he plays in Chicago, well, he can't be any worse than Brookbank.

He's not going to play in Rockford.

 

[member 151739]

He's not going to play in Rockford.

I figured as much. Just saying in either scenario, there shouldn't be such an uproar about the trade.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

What about the people writing him off and saying he has been given up on, I assume you have seen many of his games in the NHL and know that there is no way he can improve?

He's an NHL Dman who needs some work on his defensive game.

And why did Dale Tallon give up what amounts to be roughly the same pick (and more) for Brandon Pirri? He was given up on, so why bother?

What would you call being dumped by 3 teams since being drafted?

For the sake of argument lets say his trade from Stl to Ott was because of value/needs of organizations

Then we saw Ottawa give up on him after seeing him at NHL level ,, Now Yotes have given up on him after seeing him at NHL level

 

[member 151739]

What would you call being dumped by 3 teams since being drafted?

For the sake of argument lets say his trade from Stl to Ott was because of value/needs of organizations

Then we saw Ottawa give up on him after seeing him at NHL level ,, Now Yotes have given up on him after seeing him at NHL level

I thought that trade was more of the Coyotes being sick of Turris being sick of the Coyotes.