Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Mrb1p]

Yeah if you believed in Slaf you were just a moron.

I’ve no idea why people love to paint themselves into these bizarre corners with these absolutist takes.

Nothing wrong with thinking Reinbacher isn’t great but it’s just the certainty that some posters have about his low ceiling are just silly.

Ya it's wrong to think DR isn't great. He is. He's gonna be very good.

What's wrong is the smear campaign against another player and the copium around him. We passed on a much better player but we ended up with a good one ourselves, why lie and jump through hoops like the poster you've quoted has been doing for more than a year now? Call a cat a cat.

 

[Benstheman]

Probably means a top pairing on a dynastic cup winning team. Ben Chiarot is a top pairing D. Mario Ferraro is a top pairing D.

Ekholm is a top paring D now on one of the best teams in the league, but his first 4-5 years was he a top pairing D playing with Josi, Ellis, Weber, PK etc? Did anybody ever predict he would be? Did it matter?

Some teams (Colorado) have 2 D who play alot more than the other D. Some teams (Carolina) have 4 D that play pretty much the same minutes. Some teams (Dallas) have 1 D who plays alot more than 2-4. Some teams (Florida last season) have 3 D who played the most minutes.

So yeah seems like guessing to me. Basically predicting Reinbacher is not Pronger is all he's saying.

This 100%.

I think Habs will be a 3 D with lots of ice time. Guhle and Reinbacher should fill 2 of them. I don't know if Hutson can be one but i doubt it because of durability. If HuGo don't think Mailloux can play 22-23 minutes per game, finding that kind of player should be a priority.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Ya it's wrong to think DR isn't great. He is. He's gonna be very good.

What's wrong is the smear campaign against another player and the copium around him. We passed on a much better player but we ended up with a good one ourselves, why lie and jump through hoops like the poster you've quoted has been doing for more than a year now? Call a cat a cat.

What smear campaign?

He was let to go to NA early from a Russian team who had his rights for 2 more seasons. They moved him out of their team to Sochi multiple times and were cited to do so again if he didn't make the Flyers. That's an odd thing to do for a professional team trying to win games.

and I've never ever not acknowledged he wasn't a better player; I'm pretty forthcoming with my draft rankings.

You can see I had Michkov at 3, ahead of Reinbacher. I'm just capable of understanding that we were not picking him and don't feel the need to play violin on my wrists every time Michkov does something. Where you pick something to obsess over and try to beat the drum that you were correct.

Congratulations, man, you predicted Michkov will be a good NHL scoring talent. What a bold call.

 

[Gustave]

The problem is Mailloux has not been better than Reinbacher in ANY game they've played together in so far.
He was also not very good in the critical games for Laval last season Reinbacher was.
If management were totally impressed with Logan Mailloux he would have got the top pairing billet when Ghule couldn't go.
Lots of work left for this kid. I wouldn't be surprised if Engstrom passes him on the depth chart down the road.

Fair, but it directs me to this conundrum;

How many LD can we have playing on the right? We have Guhle there right now by default and now you are suggesting that Engstrom might step in front of Mailloux. At some point we need to isolate the LD and the RD and discuss them separately IMO.

So let’s say;
Savard
Mailloux
Rein
Barron
Kony

That’s our depth. It’s light considering Savard ain’t getting younger. To be frank I’m worried a bit, our team is growing fast and getting pretty good IMO, but that position is way behind.

So, if Guhle becomes a permanent solution there, it will be because we couldn’t nail our rebuild on the right. I think it’s glaring.

 

[Mrb1p]

What smear campaign?

He was let to go to NA early from a Russian team who had his rights for 2 more seasons. They moved him out of their team to Sochi multiple times and were cited to do so again if he didn't make the Flyers. That's an odd thing to do for a professional team trying to win games.

and I've never ever not acknowledged he wasn't a better player; I'm pretty forthcoming with my draft rankings.

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You can see I had Michkov at 3, ahead of Reinbacher. I'm just capable of understanding that we were not picking him and don't feel the need to play violin on my wrists every time Michkov does something. Where you pick something to obsess over and try to beat the drum that you were correct.

Congratulations, man, you predicted Michkov will be a good NHL scoring talent. What a bold call.

If they picked Yakemchuk at 5 would you have said the same thing? Very weird concept to accept a bad decision.

Fair, but it directs me to this conundrum;

How many LD can we have playing on the right? We have Guhle there right now by default and now you are suggesting that Engstrom might step in front of Mailloux. At some point we need to isolate the LD and the RD and discuss them separately IMO.

So let’s say;
Savard
Mailloux
Rein
Barron
Kony

That’s our depth. It’s light considering Savard ain’t getting younger. To be frank I’m worried a bit, our team is growing fast and getting pretty good IMO, but that position is way behind.

So, if Guhle becomes a permanent solution there, it will be because we couldn’t nail our rebuild on the right. I think it’s glaring.

They need to target a young and established RD. It needs to happen.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If they picked Yakemchuk at 5 would you have said the same thing? Very weird concept to accept a bad decision.


They need to target a young and established RD. It needs to happen.

If they picked Yakemchuk over Demidov, I'd be mad at the decision. But I would allow myself to get over it and watch Yakemchuk's development and hope that he provides value toward being a winning team.

The decision is made, the management group and scouting staff has earned enough benefit of the doubt to see things through. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Mrb1p]

If they picked Yakemchuk over Demidov, I'd be mad at the decision. But I would allow myself to get over it and watch Yakemchuk's development and hope that he provides value toward being a winning team.

The decision is made, the management group and scouting staff has earned enough benefit of the doubt to see things through. Wouldn't you agree?

Bury your head in the sand basically?

 

[417]

Bury your head in the sand basically?

Bang your head against a wall repeatedly?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Bury your head in the sand basically?

No, do the mature thing and move on from it.

What are you gaining by relitigating a selection that didn't go the way you wanted it to? I can see sporadically doing so as the seasons roll by and more and more things come into focus. But doing it every game is just needlessly excessive.

Evaluate Reinbacher as the player he is and the player we selected. There is no way for us to know at current whether or not the Reinbacher selection and subsequent moves and build off of that decision is the right or wrong one.

It is rarely this pick vs that pick that determines anything. That's the way Bergevin operated. Everything was in a vacuum.

This management group has a vision and saw an opportunity to get the big, rangy RD that they felt was the rarer commodity and then the next season they got Demidov at 5. So let's see how the build continues to play out relative to what we have in house and what they go out and get through trades, more draft picks and signings.

It remains to be seen whether or not it is more difficult for them to find a Reinbacher through their other opportunities, because from where I am sitting, getting Demidov and acquiring Laine, on top of Slafkovsky and Caufield, that's a pretty solid top 6 build and we simply don't know what we will have the chance to get with our top pick this year.

 

[River Meadow]

I’ve seen Reinbacher for a couple games.
I don’t think he’ll have the offensive career that many expects over Matvei Michkov.
I’ve analyze his game, I see a very close resemblance to Brandon Carlo or Colton Parayko.
Both are top 4 defenseman, and if Reinbacher’s game develops, he’ll be more Parayko.
He’s at 6’4” this season and still 19. He should top at 6’4” or 6’5” 220-225lbs.

My guess is David Reinbacher will be a big minute horse on defense for the Canadiens. I think he will be an all situation defenseman. Protecting the lead, shutting down top lines. To me, Reinbacher will be a 25-35 points defenseman. I think he’s a better fit with Kaiden Guhle than with Lane Hutson.

Oh wow he's 6ft4 now..

David Reinbacher, a promising prospect for the Montreal Canadiens, is now officially listed at 6 feet 4 inches tall. This marks a notable increase from previous measurements, where he was recorded at 6 feet 2.25 inches earlier in the year. His height, combined with his weight of approximately 209 pounds, positions him as a formidable presence on the ice, particularly as a defenseman

I feel better now about this pick.

For the style he plays, the bigger he is the better and it also helps to justify the pick at 5OA even more.

 

[River Meadow]

Hughes never said that.

Oh, yes, yes he did say that.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1674522028982902786

 

[Mrb1p]

Oh wow he's 6ft4 now..

David Reinbacher, a promising prospect for the Montreal Canadiens, is now officially listed at 6 feet 4 inches tall. This marks a notable increase from previous measurements, where he was recorded at 6 feet 2.25 inches earlier in the year. His height, combined with his weight of approximately 209 pounds, positions him as a formidable presence on the ice, particularly as a defenseman

I feel better now about this pick.

For the style he plays, the bigger he is the better and it also helps to justify the pick at 5OA even more.

I don't think he's 6'4

 

[River Meadow]

It was always Laval , you guys are putting top 4 expectations on a 19 year old...its interesting

Most fans have no issues waiting.

But most fans would like for our 5th OA pick to show us something and not look completely ordinary.

Not saying that means he won't be good... he likely will be in time, but it's quite underwhelming right now.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Most fans have no issues waiting.

But most fans would like for our 5th OA pick to show us something and not look completely ordinary.

Not saying that means he won't be good... he likely will be in time, but it's quite underwhelming right now.

I guess it depends on the expectations you set for the guy , not many dmen make the NHL at 19. Alot of guys have the puck skills to be impressive but can't skate and be physical and skate right up with men off the rush , he is basically the opposite of that right now , I think he has a good first pass still even if he is not up to par in terns of handling the puck yet

 

[Mrb1p]

I guess it depends on the expectations you set for the guy , not many dmen make the NHL at 19. Alot of guys have the puck skills to be impressive but can't skate and be physical and skate right up with men off the rush , he is basically the opposite of that right now , I think he has a good first pass still even if he is not up to par in terns of handling the puck yet

This is David's 20 years old season. He's definitely a bit behind schedule right now.

 

[yianik]

Matheson, Guhle, Savard, Barron, Struble, Xhekaj are 6 of the 7 we will have. Maybe Engstrom as no.7, but maybe Hutson as the 3D. Reinbacher, Hutson and Mailloux will all at least get a good taste of NHL hockey if they hit streaks of good play in the AHL.

 

[Benstheman]

Oh, yes, yes he did say that.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1674522028982902786

He litteraly just said D2.

 

[417]

Most fans have no issues waiting.

Pffftttt yeah right.

But most fans would like for our 5th OA pick to show us something and not look completely ordinary.

Not saying that means he won't be good... he likely will be in time, but it's quite underwhelming right now.

Who really cares about what feelings a prospect gives you, whether he does something that shows you something or overwhelms you is completely irrelevant.

He showed me some good things last night, but for you it was different....who cares.

All that matters is he continues to gain experience and round out his game. If you're expecting him to give you warm and fuzzy feelings when he plays, then you're never going to be satisfied with the pick because that's just not who he is.

But then again, neither was Alex Pietrangelo...he turned out alright (not comparing him to DR).

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Oh, yes, yes he did say that.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1674522028982902786

I didn't like the Reinbacher pick, but D2 means a 2nd D, not a 2nd pairing D. Think Seabrook in the 2010s.

I'm personally yet to come away from watching a Reinbacher game thinking he can be a 1st pairing defenseman. I think he'll be great at defending on the rush, and pretty good at in-zone defense, but I don't see the breakout machine that people seem to be touting him as.

He panics with the puck a bit too often, misses short passes, and loses it while handling it a bit too much for my taste.

I think he'll still be a perfect partner for Hutson, since he'll have the majority of the puck-carrying responsibilities on the pairing.

I think anyone hoping for Pietrangelo-upside is going to be sorely disappointed. We reached for needs, because a big, rangy, raw shutdown RD is a pretty rare and valuable commodity, and we didn't have anyone like him in our pool. Maybe he adds another gear to his game, or has an exponential development curve over the next couple years, but I really don't see him having top pairing upside, let alone number 1 upside.

Pffftttt yeah right.

Who really cares about what feelings a prospect gives you, whether he does something that shows you something or overwhelms you is completely irrelevant.

He showed me some good things last night, but for you it was different....who cares.

All that matters is he continues to gain experience and round out his game. If you're expecting him to give you warm and fuzzy feelings when he plays, then you're never going to be satisfied with the pick because that's just not who he is.

But then again, neither was Alex Pietrangelo...he turned out alright (not comparing him to DR).

Pietrangelo wasn't flashy or spectacular but he was an excellent puck-mover. If Reinbacher ever tops Pietrangelo's rookie season point totals (43) in a season I'll be (very) pleasantly surprised.

 

[Andrei79]

Oh, yes, yes he did say that.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1674522028982902786

How is a number 2D a second pairing guy ? It literally means a first pairing D. He even qualifies it mentioning it's due to not being a 1st PP guy.

 

[overlords]

Oh, yes, yes he did say that.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1674522028982902786

 

[417]

I didn't like the Reinbacher pick, but D2 means a 2nd D, not a 2nd pairing D. Think Seabrook in the 2010s.

I'm personally yet to come away from watching a Reinbacher game thinking he can be a 1st pairing defenseman. I think he'll be great at defending on the rush, and pretty good at in-zone defense, but I don't see the breakout machine that people seem to be touting him as.

He panics with the puck a bit too often, misses short passes, and loses it while handling it a bit too much for my taste.

I think he'll still be a perfect partner for Hutson, since he'll have the majority of the puck-carrying responsibilities on the pairing.

I think anyone hoping for Pietrangelo-upside is going to be sorely disappointed. We reached for needs, because a big, rangy, raw shutdown RD is a pretty rare and valuable commodity, and we didn't have anyone like him in our pool. Maybe he adds another gear to his game, or has an exponential development curve over the next couple years, but I really don't see him having top pairing upside, let alone number 1 upside.


Pietrangelo wasn't flashy or spectacular but he was an excellent puck-mover. If Reinbacher ever tops Pietrangelo's rookie season point totals (43) in a season I'll be (very) pleasantly surprised.

In 2014 the Florida Panthers picked Aaron Ekblad 1st overall...a few players picked after Ekblad include names like: Leon Draisaitl, Sam Reinhart, David Pastrnak, William Nylander, Dylan Larkin, Brayden Point.

In a vacuum, everyone would take any of those players before Aaron Ekblad.

But somehow, Aaron Ekblad patrols the Florida Panther's top pairing and is coming off a Stanley Cup. He's never recorded more than 41 points in any season.

In an alternate universe, perhaps the Panthers draft Draisaitl...but for now, I don't think they regret that decision whatsoever. There's a lot that goes into building a team.

David Reinbacher doesn't need to be a better player than Matvei Michkov or Ryan Leonard or anyone else from that pick, he just needs to be a valuable player for the Montreal Canadiens and to fit in somewhere as an important player.

All the rest is just fan chatter.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

In 2014 the Florida Panthers picked Aaron Ekblad 1st overall...a few players picked after Ekblad include names like: Leon Draisaitl, Sam Reinhart, David Pastrnak, William Nylander, Dylan Larkin, Brayden Point.

In a vacuum, everyone would take any of those players before Aaron Ekblad.

But somehow, Aaron Ekblad patrols the Florida Panther's top pairing and is coming off a Stanley Cup. He's never recorded more than 41 points in any season.

In an alternate universe, perhaps the Panthers draft Draisaitl...but for now, I don't think they regret that decision whatsoever. There's a lot that goes into building a team.

David Reinbacher doesn't need to be a better player than Matvei Michkov or Ryan Leonard or anyone else from that pick, he just needs to be a valuable player for the Montreal Canadiens and to fit in somewhere as an important player.

All the rest is just fan chatter.

I mean Ekblad is a good defenseman, but the MVP of that blueline was a waivers pick up. I still think Reinbacher will be valuable, especially as a stabilizer for Hutson's game, but I don't think he'll be a number 1, or even top pairing defenseman.

 

[Benstheman]

I mean Ekblad is a good defenseman, but the MVP of that blueline was a waivers pick up. I still think Reinbacher will be valuable, especially as a stabilizer for Hutson's game, but I don't think he'll be a number 1, or even top pairing defenseman.

Like i asked another poster : What is a top pairing D for you??

 

[417]

I mean Ekblad is a good defenseman, but the MVP of that blueline was a waivers pick up. I still think Reinbacher will be valuable, especially as a stabilizer for Hutson's game, but I don't think he'll be a number 1, or even top pairing defenseman.

Sure and that just reinforces my point that no one cares that Ekblad was drafted 1st overall and there are MUCH better players behind him. As you mentioned, their best Dman was picked up off waivers and now forms an excellent first pair with Ekblad.

That's all that matters...people obsess over draft position, once they're drafted it doesn't matter anymore, all that matters is the value you bring to the team that drafted you.

Not who you are as a player vs other players drafted before or after you...that's just fan chatter and bragging rights.

Whether you want to qualify what he'll be as a Number #1 or top pairing Dman or top 4 Dman...these are just labels, they don't measure impact on the ice.