Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

It depends on how you view better.

He doesn't have the offensive upside of a Buium or a Parekh but those guys will be lucky to defend as good as Reinbacher did in his draft year at their peak.

Reinbacher would be the best defender on the defensive side of the puck in this class. His offensive upside is better than Silayevs, less than Levshunovs, and similar to Dickinson but Dickinson does have a better shot so should score more goals and obviously he's left handed.

The offensive element that people don’t talk about with DR is his outlet pass is great and when he’s allowed to pinch and activate he’s really good . I feel a lot of people are going to be pleasantly surprised with just how good this kid is and will be. Unless he’s paired with Hutson he will be used within this system to create offence.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Thanks for the feedback.

A little disheartening to see your post lump Woodlief in the same sewer as McCagg. The latter is a pompous Neanderthal with outlandish takes for clicks and other than the few nuggets he gets on potential Habs picks, does anyone really take him seriously?

Woodlief looks to me to be in a much better class. He has scouting background and his evaluations are based on multiple in person viewings and other sources. If you read his draft guide, you’ll readily see that there’s nothing like it. He looks at attributes in ways that no other publication does.

There is a reason that he has almost all NHL teams subscribed to his draft guide year over year. I doubt anyone even wants McCagg’s draft list outside of the rando suckers who like to get bashed by him after they’ve subscribed to recrudes.com.

I have listened to Woodlief and found him to be disappointing. I know that he has a scouting background but there is a reason that he is no longer employed imo. I remember watching him on Marinaro's show on a recent draft day and was interested to hear him talk. I would have to go back and watch it again for the details and was disappointed to hear him say things that ruled him out as a competent scout. It wouldn't have been anything to do with a subjective comment but with an objective fact such as skating. He made subjective comments that further exasperated his objective shortcomings and I clearly remember thinking that he wasn't much better than the Buttons, Boisverts and Bukalas of the world.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to discover that NHL teams subscribe to RLR in the same way that I used to buy fantasy hockey draft guides. I didn't buy them to learn anything about the players themselves but more so as a source to ensure that I am not missing anybody. Whether the claim that he has almost all NHL teams subscribed is true or not is debatable but I suspect that teams would make as many resources available as possible to their scouts regardless of whether they are overly competent or not. RLR has been around for a long time and Kyle does have NHL connections so I would lean towards believing the claim of NHL teams subscribing.

The fact is that he simply does not employ NHL scouts and there is a possibility that he was not a very good one himself, much in the same way that Craig Button is a poor scout who was finally ousted from the boy's club. Listening to him talk put him more in Button's class than McCagg's which is better but not good enough for my interests.

I do agree that he is better than McCagg who never really was a scout and was quickly discarded from his part time position and I only put him in that category due to him appearing to be a failed scout trying to make a living in the public forum after being shunned in the NHL.

Perhaps he is better than I am giving him credit for as I have had very little exposure to him and am making bold assertions over a tiny sample size. I will make an effort to look into Woodlief's content without paying for it as his product is far too expensive for a publication made by amateur scouts. Hopefully I can find enough free content to come to a more informed decision lol

edit: Just watched Kyle say that Michkov would have went #1 over MacKinnon and Mathews in his opinion lol. Statements like that are just too dumb to make me want to look any further.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

It depends on how you view better.

He doesn't have the offensive upside of a Buium or a Parekh but those guys will be lucky to defend as good as Reinbacher did in his draft year at their peak.

Reinbacher would be the best defender on the defensive side of the puck in this class. His offensive upside is better than Silayevs, less than Levshunovs, and similar to Dickinson but Dickinson does have a better shot so should score more goals and obviously he's left handed.

There is no way of making strong assertions and ranking these players accurately according to exactly which players will be better offensively.

I have a hard time seeing Parekh and Buium in the same sentence when it comes to defensive play as Buium is one of the top defenders in the draft and Parekh is attrocious defensively. I do agree that Reinbacher should be a better defender than Buium due to his physical advantages but Buium exhibits elite IQ in all three zones and will be a very good defender for an under sized dman imo.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I'm more confident with a D like Reinbacher than any D of 2024 draft except Dickinson.

The only D's, I would hesitate to take ahead of Reinbacher, it's Leshunov and Dickinson. He is in the same tier of these guy.

Habs got a really good one with Reinbacher, I was not big fan of the pick at draft day, but today. I'm a really really happy man.

Since pre-season, I have big hope for Reinbacher! He seems have everything to become a dominate two-way D. A stud.

 

[Mudz]

I have listened to Woodlief and found him to be disappointing. I know that he has a scouting background but there is a reason that he is no longer employed imo. I remember watching him on Marinaro's show on a recent draft day and was interested to hear him talk. I would have to go back and watch it again for the details and was disappointed to hear him say things that ruled him out as a competent scout. It wouldn't have been anything to do with a subjective comment but with an objective fact such as skating. He made subjective comments that further exasperated his objective shortcomings and I clearly remember thinking that he wasn't much better than the Buttons, Boisverts and Bukalas of the world.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to discover that NHL teams subscribe to RLR in the same way that I used to buy fantasy hockey draft guides. I didn't buy them to learn anything about the players themselves but more so as a source to ensure that I am not missing anybody. Whether the claim that he has almost all NHL teams subscribed is true or not is debatable but I suspect that teams would make as many resources available as possible to their scouts regardless of whether they are overly competent or not. RLR has been around for a long time and Kyle does have NHL connections so I would lean towards believing the claim of NHL teams subscribing.

The fact is that he simply does not employ NHL scouts and there is a possibility that he was not a very good one himself, much in the same way that Craig Button is a poor scout who was finally ousted from the boy's club. Listening to him talk put him more in Button's class than McCagg's which is better but not good enough for my interests.

I do agree that he is better than McCagg who never really was a scout and was quickly discarded from his part time position and I only put him in that category due to him appearing to be a failed scout trying to make a living in the public forum after being shunned in the NHL.

Perhaps he is better than I am giving him credit for as I have had very little exposure to him and am making bold assertions over a tiny sample size. I will make an effort to look into Woodlief's content without paying for it as his product is far too expensive for a publication made by amateur scouts. Hopefully I can find enough free content to come to a more informed decision lol

edit: Just watched Kyle say that Michkov would have went #1 over MacKinnon and Mathews in his opinion lol. Statements like that are just too dumb to make me want to look any further.

what about Boisvert? Any info on why he got fired after 6 months?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

what about Boisvert? Any info on why he got fired after 6 months?

He was only a part time scout, nobody should take him serious

 

[KevSkillz4]

I see Hiskanen in Dallas playoffs and I always see Reinbacher game in Heiskanen.

I really believe that Habs scouts, wanted him at 5, see him to become one of the best D-man in NHL. I see that he can become one of the best two-way for sure.

 

[CanadienShark]

Take off the Flames (Panthers) pick and I'd do it.

Absolutely not from SJ. Those d-men prospects hold almost no value to SJ and we are not trading #14 for #26.

 

[montreal]

Reinbacher Mixes it Up 7:01
Hughes Big Save 15:55

 

[LaP]

To SJ: Jets1st, Flames 2025 1st, Struble, and Barron.

To MTL: 14 oa

Engstrom is a player I don't want to move. But I consider Engstrom plus the Jets 1st. I just don't know enough about his NHL prospects to know his value to us.

That's too much for a 14th ov. We got a 13rd for Romanov alone.

 

[Nedved]

10 - Kiviharju (Not in top 15)

i think he becomes a top 4 d-man. I want him at pick 26.

 

[26Mats]

That's too much for a 14th ov. We got a 13rd for Romanov alone.

We won't get a deal like that again, and especially not this year, with this year's top 15.

 

[themilosh]

Projected draft rankings change every week and month, basing your draft pick around who might be available in 12 months at the next draft doesn't make a lot of sense.

To show how volatile things can be, in his pre-season rankings in September, Bob Mckenzie had the following. In brackets I have included their rank in his last May rankings.

1 - Celebrini (1)
2 - Eiserman (13)
3 - Demidov (2)
4 - Levshunov (4)
5 - Dickinson (6)
6 - Catton (11)
7 - Helenius (9)
8 - Jiricek (Not in top 15)
9 - Silayev (3)
10 - Kiviharju (Not in top 15)
11 - Connelly (15)
12 - Chernyshov (Not in top 15)
13 - Yakemchuk (12)
14 - Parekh (7)
15 - Brandsegg-Nygaard (Not in top 15)
16 - Mews (Not in top 15)

Where was Lindstrom/Iggy/Sennecke I wonder?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Where was Lindstrom/Iggy/Sennecke I wonder?

Lindstrom and Sennecke were HMs. Iginla was not mentioned at all.

 

[HuGort]

Lindstrom and Sennecke were HMs. Iginla was not mentioned at all.

Ignila had a great season. Younger than rest, more upset

 

[salbutera]

Where was Lindstrom/Iggy/Sennecke I wonder?

Sennecke & Lindstrom were honorary mentions, Tij nowhere mentioned

Macklin Celebrini leads 'Big Three' atop Bob McKenzie's TSN pre-season NHL draft ranking | TSN

Nine out of 10 NHL scouts surveyed to determine TSN’s Pre-Season Top 16 Rankings slotted the 17-year-old Boston University freshman from Vancouver at the top of their respective lists.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Habs]

If Anaheim wanted Bach + Guhle for Zegras and their 1st this year, would you do it?

 

[Sam de Mtl]

If Anaheim wanted Bach + Guhle for Zegras and their 1st this year, would you do it?

Take out Zegras and it actually looks better.

 

[TT1]

Take out Zegras and it actually looks better.

well i wouldn't do that without knowing if Demidov is there, if Demidov isn't there you weaken the roster pretty significantly

but if he is then you pick your top D at 5 and you're set, center position weakens a bit but Suzuki/Newhook 1-2 is pretty good

if you know Dach is gonna come back and be healthy throughout his career then trading him is a bad move, but obv that's impossible to know

this is fantasy land tho, they won't move either of them

 

[Heffyhoof]

If Anaheim wanted Bach + Guhle for Zegras and their 1st this year, would you do it?

I'd love too, then next year we could trade Zegras and Hutson for younger players and picks too.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

well i wouldn't do that without knowing if Demidov is there, if Demidov isn't there you weaken the roster pretty significantly

but if he is then you pick your top D at 5 and you're set, center position weakens a bit but Suzuki/Newhook 1-2 is pretty good

if you know Dach is gonna come back and be healthy throughout his career then trading him is a bad move, but obv that's impossible to know

this is fantasy land tho, they won't move either of them

I didn't entertain is proposition seriously. I was only using hyperbole to show how little I want Zegras.

 

[7roy]

If Anaheim wanted Bach + Guhle for Zegras and their 1st this year, would you do it?

Should be a fireable offence to do that from Montréal's side(assuming Bach=Reinbacher).

 

[CheldishGamibno]

Jeez Louise, this new "Habs' putrid trade proposals" thread is great

 

[26Mats]

Should be a fireable offence to that from Montréal's side(assuming Bach=Reinbacher).

If Demidov were on the board at 3, it would be pretty sweet to get him. Then at 5 you replace one of the dmen going out the door. So it's really replace one of Reinbacher or Guhle with Levshunov or Dickinson, and then trade the other for Demidov. I.e. trade firm a position if strength (defense) for a position of need (gamebreaking forward).

 

[jrom]

If Demidov were on the board at 3, it would be pretty sweet to get him. Then at 5 you replace one of the dmen going out the door. So it's really replace one of Reinbacher or Guhle with Levshunov or Dickinson, and then trade the other for Demidov. I.e. trade firm a position if strength (defense) for a position of need (gamebreaking forward).

You’re looking at this like it’s Monopoly money being traded. They’re not gonna trade Guhle or Rein for more picks and trading either of them for Zegras (+ whatever ANA wants on top) makes little sense for the rebuild.

I know we’re missing talented forwards but the D playing better without killing the offense in the process is what is needed to leave the bottom rankings. Easier to add offense with $ then find good defencemen.