Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[salbutera]

Habs Management think Reinbacher is going to become a Roman Josi or similar.

That's the only way passing on Michkov (and others) for him makes sense.

Reinbacher had better numbers in his draft year than Roman Josi did in his draft year with the Swiss National League. Reinbacher recorded 19 assists and 3 goals in 50 games for EHC Kloten in the 2022-23 season, putting up more points than Josi's 8 points (2 goals, 6 assists) in 35 games during his draft year with the NL.

Reinbacher's impressive performance placed him in the 86th percentile among defensemen for Win Shares in his draft year, which is considered beyond impressive.

While the Swiss National League is not a true development league due to the limited local talent pool, Reinbacher's standout numbers and high-level play against borderline NHLers like Alex Formenton and Tim Heed have caught the attention of scouts.

His hockey IQ, puck handling, and offensive instincts have drawn comparisons to Josi, who went on to become a Norris Trophy winner, and it's clear Habs are hoping for the same from Reinbacher.

I think they expect Redenbacher to become a 25-30TOI 1st pairing D who can play in all game situations and do it well, regardless of regular season or playoffs

Whereas Michkov lacked “completeness” - I. E lack of non offensive zone game

 

[BLONG7]

Being a dick at 18 certainly sets off red flags though.

As a former player agent, there seems to be things that Hughes is looking for..............and would be very familiar with red flags.
Also gotta think Bobrov has inside info on the kid..................say it again, we should trust the process.
I like how the current regime have been operating the club at this point, and have already earned our trust and some patience.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

It seems pretty obvious to me that Michkov will do well in the NHL and that we will read a lot of bs on this board about it.

Even though it seems quite obvious that their decision to not pick him up, even though we don't exactly know all of them, are still there.

I am not waiting to see Michkov play to see if we should have picked him, I am waiting to see if the flyers will know a lot of success with him or not.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It seems pretty obvious to me that Michkov will do well in the NHL and that we will read a lot of bs on this board about it.

Even though it seems quite obvious that their decision to not pick him up, even though we don't exactly know all of them, are still there.

I am not waiting to see Michkov play to see if we should have picked him, I am waiting to see if the flyers will know a lot of success with him or not.

I wanted Michkov but I'm not gonna rip on Reinbacher and I really do hope he can become something special

I'm still waiting for some inside information about why we passed on Michkov I'm sure they had their reasons. That said I'm excited to see how good he is in NA.

So far i trust management so i can't complain too much about a single pick and you're right at the end of the day let's see how both franchises end up and how close they get to competing , there's more to winning a cup than picking bpa. Ask Toronto about if a bunch of ppg forwards gets you automatic success.

But I also think if Michkov becomes some Russian demon and scores 100 a year we won't really be able to defend the pick , it will be very difficult in hindsight but that's just the way she goes , michkov could also bust and be a cancer in the NHL who knows

 

[DAChampion]

In the long run, the process is more important than the results.

 

[Habs7631]

Some of these takes are hilarious.

So Michkov was on the same level as Bedard and the greatest Russian prospect ever?

He should have gone #2 then.

 

[Gravity]

I think the most toxic posts are the ones that are calling this thread toxic because we're debating a draft pick. Speaking for myself only, I am well aware that DR is our pick and am rooting for him but that doesn't preclude me from having a healthy/critical debate about pick alternatives on an internet forum; or am I just supposed to nod my head in agreement with the infallible HuGo ? This debate will persist for the foreseeable future as their respective careers unfold. Please, pretty please DR make me eat crow.

 

[Habs7631]

Hughes reading this board on draft night after he picks Buium over Demidov while he’s still available at 5.

 

[Whitesnake]

Why does it matter? Hutson is there to generate offense pts on PP.

Redenbacher likely ends up a more mobile Weber type 25+TOI 1st pairing D capable of all game situations…

How many D are capable of such?

We don't even know to this day if Hutson will be a permanent fixture.....Why does it matter if he doesn't generate offense? Well it's because that's what top 2 D's usually do. And for this pick to be a real success based on where we picked him, that's what we will expect him to be.

 

[Whitesnake]

But I keep reading that Michov was in the same realm as Bedard, so something doesn't add up

Where do you read this? EOTP who has a great website for the consensus....had Michkov at 4. That doesn't strike me as the same realm as Bedard. You'd think that if a guy would be in the same realm, he would have gotten a few No1 votes no? And he didn't. By nobody. Bedard was unanimous.

EOTP’s 2023 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

The 2023 NHL Entry Draft begins on Wednesday, and EOTP has been keeping track of most of the rankings to come out ahead of the draft. Some rankings have more correlation to how the draft will unfold…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

 

[Miller Time]

I think the most toxic posts are the ones that are calling this thread toxic because we're debating a draft pick. Speaking for myself only, I am well aware that DR is our pick and am rooting for him but that doesn't preclude me from having a healthy/critical debate about pick alternatives on an internet forum; or am I just supposed to nod my head in agreement with the infallible HuGo ? This debate will persist for the foreseeable future as their respective careers unfold. Please, pretty please DR make me eat crow.

The issue is moreso those posters who act like their opinion is an objective fact and build their argument off of that silly premise. The toxicity is the incessant and repetitive arguing without the ability to recognize the argument itself is based on nothing of substance.

Debating preferences & opinions doesn't have to be toxic, some just can't separate opinion from fact.

DR is, today, no more or less assured of being a better NHLer than Michkov or any of the other '23 picks yet to set foot on an NHL rink for a regular season game.

To argue otherwise as if it's anything more than baseless opinion/preference, is no argument at all. Posters that get all offended for this being pointed out is what details these "debates".

 

[Whitesnake]

The issue is moreso those posters who act like their opinion is an objective fact and build their argument off of that silly premise. The toxicity is the incessant and repetitive arguing without the ability to recognize the argument itself is based on nothing of substance.

Debating preferences & opinions doesn't have to be toxic, some just can't separate opinion from fact.

DR is, today, no more or less assured of being a better NHLer than Michkov or any of the other '23 picks yet to set foot on an NHL rink for a regular season game.

To argue otherwise as if it's anything more than baseless opinion/preference, is no argument at all. Posters that get all offended for this being pointed out is what details these "debates".

Will always have a harder time with the ''objective fact'' premise. Again, it's a board of opinions. Facts, we can read it on NHL.com statsboard. We don't have to write in my opinion everytime.

Thing is, some have a harder time accepting opinions of others when it goes against their opinion. That is ALSO NOT A FACT. Yes, right now, Reinbacher could become Pietrangelo and Michkov can become Yakupov. Most definately. But again...if we wait till we have the facts...what's the point in discussing the 2023 draft or even the 2024 one? Should we solely be reviewing the 2017 drafts and below?

The toxicity of the debate is not amongst ourselves. It's when it's directed towards a 18-year old kid that just want to develop in his own way. I might have a take on the subject...but if I see him on the street I won't shout...HEY YOU 2ND PAIR CEILING!!!!! I will say good luck 'cause in the end, I want my team to win. And no matter what whoever does elsewhere, he has to do well here.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Some of these takes are hilarious.

So Michkov was on the same level as Bedard and the greatest Russian prospect ever?

He should have gone #2 then.

Below Bedard, Ovi, Malkin.

Yes, should have gone #2.

 

[Mudz]

I think they expect Redenbacher to become a 25-30TOI 1st pairing D who can play in all game situations and do it well, regardless of regular season or playoffs

Whereas Michkov lacked “completeness” - I. E lack of non offensive zone game

and the DR pick just comes and solidify the D-corp for the whole window. It's the right Guhle. It's just much more important as a role than high scoring winger. The later is a way more sexy role and it explains a big part of the drama.

This Habs brass puts a premium on the general spirit around the team so I feel like keeping a teammate kicker away was also part of the decision process.

 

[417]

Where do you read this? EOTP who has a great website for the consensus....had Michkov at 4. That doesn't strike me as the same realm as Bedard. You'd think that if a guy would be in the same realm, he would have gotten a few No1 votes no? And he didn't. By nobody. Bedard was unanimous.

EOTP’s 2023 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

The 2023 NHL Entry Draft begins on Wednesday, and EOTP has been keeping track of most of the rankings to come out ahead of the draft. Some rankings have more correlation to how the draft will unfold…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

The quote you just replied too was someone saying just that.

 

[The Great Weal]

Some of these takes are hilarious.

So Michkov was on the same level as Bedard and the greatest Russian prospect ever?

He should have gone #2 then.

Firstly, I don't see why where he should have gone means anything. Caufield was supposed to be a lock at top 10 and maybe even top 5 yet he fell to 15th OA. High end prospects can and have fallen more than they should have due to various reasons. Maybe he proves them wrong, maybe he doesn't, only time will tell.

Secondly, you can't scoff at the thought of Michkov being comparable to Bedard without also scoffing at the thought of Reinbacher becoming a Heiskanen like player. The former is far more likely to happen than the latter, I don't think it's outlandish to say that Michkov's ceiling is significantly higher than Reinbacher. But same thing, maybe Michkov really is a headcase and can't be useful in the playoffs, maybe he isn't and can be a key player, only time will tell.

The double standard is very silly.

 

[HabbyGuy]

So there’s zero chance they’ll pick a D even he’s the BPA in their rankings? If both Demidov and Lindstrom are gonzo, Iginla or whoever will have to be deemed better than whatever D drops. That would give rise to an interesting outcome.

It's funny, despite all this talk about choosing a dman over the forward in the Michkov draft, when D could have been seen as an organizational strength, I'd still choose Levshunov at 5 if he were there for us in this draft. It's not about position, it's about BPA, a thing a majority of us believe Michkov was.

 

[jaffy27]

Am I crazy to want Iginla more than Lindstrom?

My top 10 picks in order would be (in order of preference): Celebrini, Demidov, Levshunov, Iginla, Buium, Silayev, Dickinson, Parekh, Lindstrom, Eiserman.

I like Lindstrom a LOT, but his injuries scare me a lot.

That’s a fair statement….they worry me a tad but he’s so young, player’s recuperate from these type of injuries.

I’d roll the dice on him as his skill level and size scream top 3…. And to be able to get him at 5 could potentially be a gift from the hockey gods….we’ll see

 

[HabbyGuy]

I think the most toxic posts are the ones that are calling this thread toxic because we're debating a draft pick. Speaking for myself only, I am well aware that DR is our pick and am rooting for him but that doesn't preclude me from having a healthy/critical debate about pick alternatives on an internet forum; or am I just supposed to nod my head in agreement with the infallible HuGo ? This debate will persist for the foreseeable future as their respective careers unfold. Please, pretty please DR make me eat crow.

This. I do not see anything toxic about this discussion, especially in comparison to the Slafkovsky thread. No one is dumping on Reinbacher, they're just questioning the decision of picking him instead,

We all like David and want him to succeed,

 

[BLONG7]

I wanted Michkov but I'm not gonna rip on Reinbacher and I really do hope he can become something special

I'm still waiting for some inside information about why we passed on Michkov I'm sure they had their reasons. That said I'm excited to see how good he is in NA.

So far i trust management so i can't complain too much about a single pick and you're right at the end of the day let's see how both franchises end up and how close they get to competing , there's more to winning a cup than picking bpa. Ask Toronto about if a bunch of ppg forwards gets you automatic success.

But I also think if Michkov becomes some Russian demon and scores 100 a year we won't really be able to defend the pick , it will be very difficult in hindsight but that's just the way she goes , michkov could also bust and be a cancer in the NHL who knows

I was curious as to why the habs and 5 other teams missed on this guy?? I wanted a forward, and was surprised we went with a D.............and here we are again this year, wanting a forward....

But agree, none of this is on Reinbacher, he will be a good pick for us, and off we go!

 

[JRichard]

Where do you read this? EOTP who has a great website for the consensus....had Michkov at 4. That doesn't strike me as the same realm as Bedard. You'd think that if a guy would be in the same realm, he would have gotten a few No1 votes no? And he didn't. By nobody. Bedard was unanimous.

EOTP’s 2023 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

The 2023 NHL Entry Draft begins on Wednesday, and EOTP has been keeping track of most of the rankings to come out ahead of the draft. Some rankings have more correlation to how the draft will unfold…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

No doubt Bedard was 1.
But when you look at that link, it shows Michkov 4 from 2-5
Smith behind at 5th 4-8
And DR 11th from 6-23.

 

[Miller Time]

Will always have a harder time with the ''objective fact'' premise. Again, it's a board of opinions. Facts, we can read it on NHL.com statsboard. We don't have to write in my opinion everytime.

It's not the stating of it that's the issue... It's posters that mistake their opinions for fact that's silly and makes for bad takes & go nowhere "debates"

Thing is, some have a harder time accepting opinions of others when it goes against their opinion. That is ALSO NOT A FACT. Yes, right now, Reinbacher could become Pietrangelo and Michkov can become Yakupov. Most definately. But again...if we wait till we have the facts...what's the point in discussing the 2023 draft or even the 2024 one? Should we solely be reviewing the 2017 drafts and below?

Nope. But from what I can tell, it's the exact opposite that details these threads... Posters acting as if it's a given that Michkov is the next Kucherov, and that DR has no chance of delivering better impact at the NHL level.

It's possible to prefer the Habs picked Michkov without acting as if it's a given he'll be the better player.

"I think" is different than "it's a given".

The toxicity of the debate is not amongst ourselves. It's when it's directed towards a 18-year old kid that just want to develop in his own way. I might have a take on the subject...but if I see him on the street I won't shout...HEY YOU 2ND PAIR CEILING!!!!! I will say good luck 'cause in the end, I want my team to win. And no matter what whoever does elsewhere, he has to do well here.

Amen

 

[JRichard]

Where do you read this? EOTP who has a great website for the consensus....had Michkov at 4. That doesn't strike me as the same realm as Bedard. You'd think that if a guy would be in the same realm, he would have gotten a few No1 votes no? And he didn't. By nobody. Bedard was unanimous.

EOTP’s 2023 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

The 2023 NHL Entry Draft begins on Wednesday, and EOTP has been keeping track of most of the rankings to come out ahead of the draft. Some rankings have more correlation to how the draft will unfold…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

No doubt Bedard was 1.
But when you look at that link, it shows Michkov 4 from 2-5 with next to no range with 2-3.
Smith behind at 5th
And DR 11th from 6-23.

 

[salbutera]

We don't even know to this day if Hutson will be a permanent fixture.....Why does it matter if he doesn't generate offense? Well it's because that's what top 2 D's usually do. And for this pick to be a real success based on where we picked him, that's what we will expect him to be.

That’s what you & some others expect him to be, sounds to me as HuGo expect a player to provide 25-30TOI capable of playing all game situations not offensive stats …

 

[Habs7631]

Secondly, you can't scoff at the thought of Michkov being comparable to Bedard without also scoffing at the thought of Reinbacher becoming a Heiskanen like player. The former is far more likely to happen than the latter, I don't think it's outlandish to say that Michkov's ceiling is significantly higher than Reinbacher. But same thing, maybe Michkov really is a headcase and can't be useful in the playoffs, maybe he isn't and can be a key player, only time will tell.

The double standard is very silly.

I get what you’re saying but I think it’s different for the people comparing Reinbacher to player X or Y. This is a Reinbacher thread after all, of course people are gonna discuss what his potential ceiling is or what player he might be similar too. Where else are people supposed to discuss Reinbacher potential/similar player if not in this thread.

Caufield falling is also really different that Michkov falling. I agree draft night almost never goes according to the consensus (if there is even one) but generational talent don’t fall in the draft. If Michkov was truly on the same level as Bedard who was a generational prospect, he would have gone #2. And yes were he was supposed to go doesn’t matter, but the way some people talk about Michkov, if true then he should have been a lock for #2.

McKenzie finals list had Michkov at 5 Source. Another guy just above me another mock draft where he was at 4. Most mock drafts I remember had him in that range. I’m pretty sure I remember last year draft thread, people were getting excited when it turned out he was expected to go in our range.

So he’s a potential generational talent and the greatest Russian prospect ever but yet he was being ranked at 4-5-6? How is that possible? Was last year draft the greatest draft of all-time?

I also remember reading a lot about how Washington was 100% gonna pick him at 8, and that there was a real chance he would be there at 8.

I’m not on team Reinbacher or team Michkov or whatever. It’s way too early to tell. And Michkov could really well become the best player of this draft and Reinbacher could become a bum.

The only thing I find funny is the way some people talk about Michkov like we already missed on the next Malkin. If it’s true how good/hype he was, he would have gone #2, that’s all I’m saying.