Habs fans out here acting like Michkov was the Montreal Canadiens anointed pick and they shunned him for another.
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Prospect Info: David Reinbacher
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The Great Weal
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I don't like the argument that "well other teams passed up on him" when it comes to prospects. My point here is that using this argument is not only for Michkov, it's for every prospect that doesn't work out and it's not a good argument to use for every pick. As I said, this line of thinking can excuse any disappointing pick ever. Of course, you can't expect to hit on every single pick, but using this argument for every pick that didn't pan out is making excuses. For instance, if we swapped teams with Dallas right now, I don't think there would be an outrage that we passed up on Tage Thompson for Riley Tufte in 2016 given that we have made so many other great picks.
Not to mention, ever thought about how Bedard/Carlsson/Fantilli/Smith were projected to be 1st line players and were seen as safer than Michkov? So that leaves us and Arizona who aren't exactly the model of a successful franchise as the teams that passed on him.
Probably because we have had the hardest time drafting high end forwards compared to other teams. Also the other teams that passed up on him include teams who got a forward prospect excelling as well, and Arizona who have like 5 fans and are notorious for making odd selections.
Not me, in fact, I made this very clear in the last part of my post.
I must have missed Slaf's PPG season in the NHL. Not to mention, using a 1st overall pick isn't exactly a way to evaluate drafting ability.
Especially the Habs, the only team to not have drafted a player that hit 70 points in a season since 2003.
Again, Reinbacher can definitely pan out and be more valuable than Michkov or even make us forget about Michkov, but my point here is that I just don't like your argument of "well other teams passed up on him" because if you use it this high up in the draft, it could also be used for all the later picks where drafting becomes harder. And if you use this argument for every pick, when do you stop using the argument and acknowledge that maybe the issue is your scouting team that consistently fails to draft elite players?
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For one reason only. Out of the picks that were made BEFORE the Habs, the very 1st pick that made people say WTF was our pick. Nobody thought Mickhov would have surpassed Bedard. Nor were people surprised by Carlsson and Fantilli. Now, maybe you could state Will Smith. But him again in some listing was seen ahead. And yes, Phoenix is another one. So Habs and Phoenix, big questions marks. Happens we picked 1st out of those 2 teams.
Also, the idea is that the first 4 picks, you could have an argument for the fact that they chose BPA. When for us, through Hughes comment, we decided to go position. Reason why you also have to add that into consideration.
Also we sucked at drafting and developing offensive forwards. At one point, enough is enough.
In the end, yeah...no matter how Michkov does....it's what REinbacher does that is important.
Frankly though...they better be right.
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Tabarouette
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Also who cares about the other 5 this is about us and our decision and what we needed, and the alleged reasons we passed on that guy which are now being proven wrong by him coming over early
what a weird angle to lose your mind over this
what a weird angle to lose your mind over this
He obviously wasn't the "anointed pick" . . . but he should have been the pick. I don't care that four other teams that could have picked him also chose not to.,
CristianoRonaldo
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I feel bad for Reinbacher, he will have a lot of pressure on him early that he really doesn't deserve and that Habs management inadvertently foisted on him but it is what it is. He better be good, and soon . . . for his own well-being and happiness.
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Yea he looks like a good kid and doesn't deserve any comparison to Michkov.
Andrei79
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This will be a good test for the new management. If Michkov comes in and becomes a superstar, it'll be a big mistake considering they're going to ignore potential top pairing defensemen just to find someone to fill the role Michkov will.
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He seems like a tough kid, Slaf handled all the Wright/Cooley comments well and it's something that management looks into when drafting.
If Demidov somehow falls to us it would soften the blow big time.
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When you look at the drafts of the last 10 years. The first def being picked pretty much always become a good to great def in the league. A big RD, minutes munching def is more valuable IMO than a winger. Unless Michkov become a superstar in the league (which I dont think he will) we made the right pick. Of course Reinbacher will have pressure but thats part of the job. The management group seems to be good judge of characters so Im not worry about Reinbacher handling the pressure of Montreal.
I know this is going to sound crazy but two or three things can be true at the same time, for example;
- I wanted Michkov at 5
- I didn’t want to go with Reinbacher while a lot of forwards seemed high quality (Leonard Benson etc) and thus had options to not go Michkov if the risks were too big (turns out a major one wasn’t true (contract issues)
- Now that we have Rein and I’ve seen him play, I’ll cheer for him and my expectations are the same as Hugo that he won’t be a #1 , no PP Qb on the horizon but will be expected to be a puck mover/ distributor.
- And in my viewings his D side wasn’t all that swell but he’s young and can improve in the new environment.
So I feel like that’s all true and not in contradiction at all. Why does a “criticism” need to be construed as anything else but a legit thought on the precise matter at hand? Does that make me for example (nobody said that) a hater or a booster??
- I wanted Michkov at 5
- I didn’t want to go with Reinbacher while a lot of forwards seemed high quality (Leonard Benson etc) and thus had options to not go Michkov if the risks were too big (turns out a major one wasn’t true (contract issues)
- Now that we have Rein and I’ve seen him play, I’ll cheer for him and my expectations are the same as Hugo that he won’t be a #1 , no PP Qb on the horizon but will be expected to be a puck mover/ distributor.
- And in my viewings his D side wasn’t all that swell but he’s young and can improve in the new environment.
So I feel like that’s all true and not in contradiction at all. Why does a “criticism” need to be construed as anything else but a legit thought on the precise matter at hand? Does that make me for example (nobody said that) a hater or a booster??
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Technically, one other team passed on Michkov, if it comes down to that. There was mostly consensus on who the top 4 players to leave the board would be and it played out exactly in that manner.
Mrb1p
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Fireable offense honestly.
one more interesting question, why did ska pass on two more years of michkov? they just terminated a contract of the next great thing? there is some catch with michkov nobody talks about, but i guess the time will tell.
BLONG7
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Curious guys................do you think Reinbacher can become a Dman, like Evan Bouchard of the Oilers?
Does he possess that type of shot for our PP??
Does he possess that type of shot for our PP??
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I thought hutson is your guys PP qb of the future?
Reinbacher was never going to get that role no?
Mrb1p
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Because they know he wants to leave? Because they've treated him like shit exactly for that reason?
When the guy who just drafted you makes a point of it to SAY outright that he’s not expecting you to be a PP Qb, you can bet that you are not going to that org for that aspect of your game.
You are correct, sir.
No. He’s not that kind of d-man. Bouch is all O no D.
I love how dramatic this entire discussion is. As if there can't be an outcome where both teams are happy and Reinbacher is a key part of a shutdown pair with Guhle or the defensive conscience for a dominant pairing with Hutson while Michkov is a strong 80-90pt guy that elevates the Flyers offensive outlook but isn't the next super Kucherov.
Remember when it was organizational malpractice for the teams ahead of us to pass on Caufield and then Boldy became probably a better player and York turned into a perfectly solid 2nd pair D with likely some upside still left in the tank?
Remember when it was organizational malpractice for the teams ahead of us to pass on Caufield and then Boldy became probably a better player and York turned into a perfectly solid 2nd pair D with likely some upside still left in the tank?
Probably not, the closest comparable we have for Bouchard would be Mailloux (I don't think LM has the same overall offensive profile as Bouchard though, but there's comparisons as a broad archetype of the righty with the big shot). To compare Reinbacher to an Oilers D we'd be looking at Ekholm as the archetype.
Leto
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I hate it that people will go to the length of wishing ill on another team's prospect just so that they feel better about their own. It's not a zero-sum game.
LaP
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It depends how good Reinbacher will become. If Reinbacher is the next Pientrangelo we wont look like fool.
LaP
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No but Bouchard was grossly underrated by 99% of hfboards for long time and i think he's better defensively than you think. I remember people talking about him like if he was a mini Rielly. He's MUCH MUCH better than hfboards gave him credit for. He's been impressive those playoffs. His slap shot on his goal yesterday was McInnis like i had not seen a slap shot so smooth and powerful in a long time.
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