Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

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Slafs a bust.

No hes not.

Well he's disappointing

No hes not.

He should have been in the AHL, I have a full dissertation on why, here, read this.

Hes fine in the NHL. Read my research paper including references to a Lafleur quote from 1975.

No hes not.

Round and a f***ing round we go.

Slaf arguing infects Reinbachers thread. Keep the Slaf talk in the Slaf thread. How is David looking?
 
Slafs a bust.

No hes not.

Well he's disappointing

No hes not.

He should have been in the AHL, I have a full dissertation on why, here, read this.

Hes fine in the NHL. Read my research paper including references to a Lafleur quote from 1975.

No hes not.

Round and a f***ing round we go.

Slaf arguing infects Reinbachers thread. Keep the Slaf talk in the Slaf thread. How is David looking?
He is looking good.
 
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Slafs a bust.

No hes not.

Well he's disappointing

No hes not.

He should have been in the AHL, I have a full dissertation on why, here, read this.

Hes fine in the NHL. Read my research paper including references to a Lafleur quote from 1975.

No hes not.

Round and a f***ing round we go.

Slaf arguing infects Reinbachers thread. Keep the Slaf talk in the Slaf thread. How is David looking?

I thought he looked good....now back to Slaf :sarcasm:
 
Oh is it?

Do you disagree with what I wrote, is what I want to know.
I've tried to make clear which parts I agree with and which parts I disagree with. My stance is nuanced. I don't think players should NEVER start in the NHL before 20, but nor do I want them drowning and losing the confidence they came in with after playing very well at lower levels and exciting the scouts,.

I agree with what most teams do, which is graduate players when they are ready for a regular role in the bottom half of the lineup, and which also means reversing that decision before 9 games are passed if they look lost. I may disagree with the conclusion that a given player is ACTUALLY ready but I fully acknowlege that the teams will be wrong only a minority of the time. If most early graduates consistently flopped, the teams would adapt and tighten the standards. They are highly motivated not to squander their prized assets.

Now when you mocked my position as being that players can only learn to play at an NHL level by being in the NHL, I replied that this is not my position.

I clarified that my position is that in order to GET the considerable developmental benefit of honing one's skills against the best players, alongside the best teammates, and with the best coaches and training facilities, one must FIRST be good enough for the league, which means having combined one's natural skill with previous experiences well enough to be at NHL regular (non-taxi squad) level AND having enough physical and emotional maturity to not get eaten up alive by the NHL grind, becoming a liability or losing the trust of the team. Few high draftees reach this level before the age of 20, and most CHL graduates do not reach it even at 20. But those who have reached an NHL level faster have a noticeable advantage for the next step in their development - provided that their readiness was not mis-evaluated.
 
Trying get some feedback on Reinbacher in the Reinbacher thread. The last pages are unreadable

Welcome to HF Habs.

You'll get a steady dose of "Mesar, Farrell and Kidney are busts" and some whining about Kulich.
You'll get the Slaf bashing and the rewriting of who they all wanted to pick (Shane Wright).
You'll get the whining about development vs. non development.
Then people suicidal because Marty didn't jump on the ice and score on our own net to lose every game in a season we are trying to develop the future of our team.
 
It’s probably somewhere in this thread, but I’m not sifting through crazy. How’d our new D look? Thanks in advance!
 
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Stutzle is an exceptional prospect and an exceptional player

Yes, he is, and was judged to be so at the time of the evaluation to keep him.

- especially in hindsight than at the time of the draft.

True, drafting is not an exact science. That's why they have camps where the player can be measured against other NHL players and prospects.

He didn't struggle to stay in his D-year league, Slafkovsky was sent down multiple times and struggled mightily in his draft year.

Maybe factual, but spun to exaggerate a point. He played 11 games in the U20 farm club, and 31 games in Liiga. He CRUSHED the U20 league when he still had 3 more years of eligibility, and in the regular pro team progressed in production and ice team during the season. He was top-6 in the playoffs among the forwards. That is exceptional for a draft eligible player in a pro league. "Struggled mightily" is absolutelly not a fair statement. Overcame initial challenges as the youngest player in the pro league and then progressed mightily is a more fair assessment.

They're not the same tier of player today and not the same tier of prospect at any time in their respective careers. Slafkovsky might've styled on Team Kazakhstan toward the end of his D-year season but the sample size at these tournaments betrays the point -- he was never capable of making the jump to the NHL when just 6 months earlier he was struggling in Liiga.

About 50% of scouts had him as the #1OA pick, more than any other player. I do not think it is fair to toss out that "he was never capable" as if this was obvious and the opposite position was a total outlier.

Stutzle had double the ppg Slaf had in their respective rookie seasons.
Different tier of player, different tier of prospect, different tier of career ahead of them.

Yes, so Ottawa was right in Stutzle's case. He was ready and THEN benefitted even more from the challenge and rose further, quickly. But Stutzle did SO WELL that we have to agree that a player could be below Stutzle and still have been over a reasonably set bar.

The Habs, and some of you guys, disagree with the rest of us about Slafkovsky's readiness.

Yes, it is possible the Habs were wrong. In all fairness, this was a close call, not super obvious.

You in particular, often being of a different opinion than the so-called consensus, might want to refrain from using the fact that others agree with you as part of your argument. Besides, some of the people who agree that Slaf should not have been in the NHL said this because they were afraid he would do well and kill the tank season. This is one of hundreds of examples of how badly the promotion of a tanking perpsective messes up rational debate.

So be it. If you're proven right we will all be joyous and celebrating this new paradigm in prospect development where they're thrown to the NHL asap. It'll save us cap space, give us a ton of flexibility in roster management, and allow us to pump out skilled players with ease.

Rhetorical sleight of hand. This is absolutely NOT a new paradigm - no way / no how.

This is the standard paradigm, the disagreement is whether Slafkovsky met the standard as Thornton, Lecavalier Hughes and others did before him. Absolutely nothing new about graduating top picks at 18, ESPECIALLY if they have NHL size and have played pro already.

Your trickery here is similar to the logical fallacy called "assuming your conclusion", with additional resemblance to how politicians spin things by using carefully chosen words designed to mislead.
 
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Trying get some feedback on Reinbacher in the Reinbacher thread. The last pages are unreadable
I found Reinbacher less dominant in a prospect game than I thought he should be, considering the tools he is said to have. In particular I did not see dominant skating similar to a young Petry, current Matheson, or even a Guhle. Will obviously keep watching. Perhaps he needs to adjust into the extra weight he gained.
 
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Welcome to HF Habs.

You'll get a steady dose of "Mesar, Farrell and Kidney are busts" and some whining about Kulich.
You'll get the Slaf bashing and the rewriting of who they all wanted to pick (Shane Wright).
You'll get the whining about development vs. non development.
Then people suicidal because Marty didn't jump on the ice and score on our own net to lose every game in a season we are trying to develop the future of our team.
What about Michkov? Were in the Reinbacher thread after all
 
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Honestly, this board is becoming absolutely insufferable with all these draft shit. Every f***ing thread. Can these threads get back on topic and quickly. Get over it people.
There is a bit of a connection with Reinbacher in some of the posts. In particular, talking about what the standard should be for a player to make the NHL, at what age, etc., is relevant to Reinbacher.
 
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Trying get some feedback on Reinbacher in the Reinbacher thread. The last pages are unreadable

I had the same reaction. I thought I had clicked on the wrong thread at first...then I remembered this thread has been just as unreadable since the draft.
 
I liked Reinbacher.

There is a lot of growing remaining but projecting his tools going forward we might have a true general here.

I liked the edgework and i thought that when he had the puck, it was always heads up and going forward.

It was not a perfect look in rookie games but i cant wait to see him in preseason in a better structures.
 
I found Reinbacher less dominant in a prospect game than I thought he should be, considering the tools he is said to have. In particular I did not see dominant skating similar to a young Petry, current Matheson, or even a Guhle. Will obviously keep watching. Perhaps he needs to adjust into the extra weight he gained.
I think he just played it safe to start, personally, rather than try to impress everyone.

That's what I like about the potential Hutson-Reinbacher pairing. Hutson doesn't know how to play any other way that driving the play with the puck and Reinbacher has the skills to support Hutson, both defensively and offensively, without needing to be flashy while doing as much.

Hutson will push Reinbacher to be more offensively involved (as we saw with the set-ups for scoring opportunities in development camp), but Reinbacher will also protect Hutson as he forays into the O-zone.

For Reinbacher, if he ends up playing with Hutson (where both actually make it to and stick in the NHL), it will become an exercise in gauging when to jump into the play and when not to jump into the play.
 
Reinbacher was maybe the youngest player on the ice. He had some troubles in his own zone but oversll he was a really good defender. Maybe a little shy offensively. When you watch Vegas play. pietrangelo isnt the most noticeable cause he is doing everything all right. I think Reinbacher will be in the same model, maybe a bit less offensive. But every team want that kind of Dman
 
Reinbacher was maybe the youngest player on the ice. He had some troubles in his own zone but oversll he was a really good defender. Maybe a little shy offensively. When you watch Vegas play. pietrangelo isnt the most noticeable cause he is doing everything all right. I think Reinbacher will be in the same model, maybe a bit less offensive. But every team want that kind of Dman
I think the main subtle skills with someone like Pietrangelo and Reinbacher is consistency.

Consistently doing the little things, the efficient transition plays, keeping the puck alive in the o-zone, etc.

No glitters. Nothing spectacular but its a truly impressive skill when its done night in, night out, for many minutes a night against any level of opposistion.

If Reinbacher brings that top consistency through the seasonal and playoff grind, he will be a 10M dman and an anchor up there, truly untouchable pieces.
 
I think the main subtle skills with someone like Pietrangelo and Reinbacher is consistency.

Consistently doing the little things, the efficient transition plays, keeping the puck alive in the o-zone, etc.

No glitters. Nothing spectacular but its a truly impressive skill when its done night in, night out, for many minutes a night against any level of opposistion.

If Reinbacher brings that top consistency through the seasonal and playoff grind, he will be a 10M dman and an anchor up there, truly untouchable pieces.
Thats how I see Reinbacher too! Yesterday he made some play at defense in his own zone. It looks like easy but this is not. He is also solid on the puck and physical close to the board. He won’t be spectacular, but he is efficient on D zone and Neutral zone. Like I said previously, a little shy offensively. I would like to see him use his shot more often. He had great opportunity yesterday but he decided to pass the puck instead. He will become a good one
 
It is very unfair to judge players individually in a short tournament like this last one. Players are surrounded by teamates they never played with. No cohesion possible. Offensively and defensively. Players with more pro experience can look good like Trudeau, but most raw rookies won:t. The main thing coaches and us can measure he is how competitive and involved they seem to be. That's the base. Then, is their natural talent and skills seem evident or not
 
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I think he just played it safe to start, personally, rather than try to impress everyone.

That's what I like about the potential Hutson-Reinbacher pairing. Hutson doesn't know how to play any other way that driving the play with the puck and Reinbacher has the skills to support Hutson, both defensively and offensively, without needing to be flashy while doing as much.

Hutson will push Reinbacher to be more offensively involved (as we saw with the set-ups for scoring opportunities in development camp), but Reinbacher will also protect Hutson as he forays into the O-zone.

For Reinbacher, if he ends up playing with Hutson (where both actually make it to and stick in the NHL), it will become an exercise in gauging when to jump into the play and when not to jump into the play.
I don't see how those two can get paired together long-term, once RB becomes a 23+ minute guy.
 
I think the main subtle skills with someone like Pietrangelo and Reinbacher is consistency.

Consistently doing the little things, the efficient transition plays, keeping the puck alive in the o-zone, etc.

No glitters. Nothing spectacular but its a truly impressive skill when its done night in, night out, for many minutes a night against any level of opposistion.

If Reinbacher brings that top consistency through the seasonal and playoff grind, he will be a 10M dman and an anchor up there, truly untouchable pieces.
Reinbacher matches up extremely well on a pairing with a pure offensive D and increases his value in such a role.
 
Reinbacher matches up extremely well on a pairing with a pure offensive D and increases his value in such a role.
I see your point.

Personally, i see him with Guhle.

I think we could exploit their speed, size, strenght and tenacity in a massive wat. I would give them the toughest minutes possible so we could exploit someone like Hutson offensively in a better fashion.

Against top line, top PK, most dzone start, etc.

My humble opinion on this hypothetical scenario.
 
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Are they really prononcing Rein-baher? or is it Rein-Backer?

Because I didn't like the play-by-play guy in french yesterday.

Reinbaheur doesn't seems right, is it?
 
Are they really prononcing Rein-baher? or is it Rein-Backer?

Because I didn't like the play-by-play guy in french yesterday.

Reinbaheur doesn't seems right, is it?

He was pronouncing it like Rein Bah quer

It's probably the right pronunciation even if my anglicized ears hated it.
 
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