Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Laval Rocket edition

[Whitesnake]

I hope that he has a huge summer so he'd get his agility and skating back to what it was before the injury. Seeing him move, you still see signs of discomfort.

 

[Captain97]

It's okay if people disagree with my take...but it will always be my take. And for any take, we can be wrong or right. It,s all good. But I will always believe, wrong or right, that going position is not a good sign. And you know when I started believing that? 2005. When one of the times I've been the most outraged about a pick...when we went with a certain Carey Price while we had the great Jose Theodore on the team. WHY IN THE WORLD do you pick a goalie!!!!! Oh my god!!!!! Well because on THAT pick....Timmins judged this guy WAS the BPA. No matter the position. And while there are arguments for Kopitar, sorry...Price is the best goalie of his generation. Best pick ever. BASED ON BPA.

I understand the whole right D is important. That some great posters in here, who will recognized themselves, will say that at one point, NEED get into this BPA debate. And while I understand their point, I don't agree, UNLESS there's a belief that between 2 choices that are too close to call, you WILL go with the guy that plays a position you don't have in the system vs a guy that plays in a position when you have 8 in your system. But I will always have a problem thinking that everything I just said is close to being possible.

Now....as important as the RD position is....I still don't think it's worth a top 5 pick if the player in itself is not a BPA regardless of the position. Because...you can find RD everywhere in the draft. And look also at picks the Habs made choosing SOMEBODY else than a RD. I mean, if a RD in Reinbacher explains his selection and the non-selections of others, what's the explanation of a Mesar or a Beck ahead of a Lamoureux or a Chesley? Why not Luneau? I mean, what did Mesar do that Luneau didn't do in his draft year? Why Koivu instead of Alexis Bernier or Henry Mews? If position is important..should it be important everywhere in the draft? Why Sawyer instead of Marrelli? Or already signed 6'4'' Tomas Lavoie?

if the answer to all of his paragrah is then...well see....it then demonstrates that they DO pick BPA. They do think, whether they are right or wrong, that Koivu IS a better prospect in their eyes than Tomas Lavoie. I OBVIOUSLY disagree..but at least it shows that it's a BPA strategy. And I prefer them being wrong that way.....but if they do it BPA elsewhere...why not 1st round. Or if finally they DO beleive that David is BPA......well they should be judged accordingly. And not excused if it doesn't work.

Going back to David, contrary to another pick by needs in Jesperi, I think he will be a serviceable d-man in the league. Do not see at all a top 2 ceiling...but number 4 with PK time. Still essential though. And let's hope he becomes that. But as I keep repeating...my criticisms towards the draft is rarely about the player themselves rather than the strategy. Pick BPA...and trade the extras you have for the needs you will have AT THAT TIME.

I would argue while Reinbacher may not be the best player available he was likely the most valuable player available.

Small goal scoring wingers are much easier to come by than top 4 RHD who can skate with size.

I also disagree I think Reinbacher Develops into a solid 2 dman I wanted him at 5/6 before the draft and think he's going to be an all around player in the mold of Petro.

 

[Whitesnake]

I would argue while Reinbacher may not be the best player available he was likely the most valuable player available.

Small goal scoring wingers are much easier to come by than top 4 RHD who can skate with size.

I also disagree I think Reinbacher Develops into a solid 2 dman I wanted him at 5/6 before the draft and think he's going to be an all around player in the mold of Petro.

If that's how he develops, true. Also, at one point, people will lhave to define what 2-way means. Breakout d-man with a good first pass...that's not 2-way. In today's league, there's not a lot of Robert Dirk anymore. Most d-men skates well throughout the league. Most d-men are able to make a first pass. If 2-way means more than 30 points, at least 2nd PP, PK and end of game to protect a lead...yep. Sign me in. That obviously is what's at stake here. And it won't be easy....we can,t even say Guhle is 2-way right now.

But a top 5 pick has to have a greater expectations than an mid-1st round, end 1st round or any other rounds.

Clear for me that he's behind based on his serious injury and lack of playing time. Not expecting him to be in the NHL next year at all. Hopefully a long and uninterupted season being a top 2 in Laval.

 

[Captain97]

If that's how he develops, true. Also, at one point, people will lhave to define what 2-way means. Breakout d-man with a good first pass...that's not 2-way. In today's league, there's not a lot of Robert Dirk anymore. Most d-men skates well throughout the league. Most d-men are able to make a first pass. If 2-way means more than 30 points, at least 2nd PP, PK and end of game to protect a lead...yep. Sign me in. That obviously is what's at stake here. And it won't be easy....we can,t even say Guhle is 2-way right now.

But a top 5 pick has to have a greater expectations than an mid-1st round, end 1st round or any other rounds.

Clear for me that he's behind based on his serious injury and lack of playing time. Not expecting him to be in the NHL next year at all. Hopefully a long and uninterupted season being a top 2 in Laval.

I fully expect him on the team next year tbh. I think he would have been this year if not for the injury. Next year he'll be used ad a 5 and the following in the 2nd pairing.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Well, this is absolutely not true. I've never once criticised others for supporting or liking players and in return for my own comments I've gotten a LOT of heinous things written to me, about me, and DMed to me. Insults about my family, my intelligence, outright slurs, campaigns to have my messages banned, campaigns to have me banned, etc.

No one can say that toxic positivity is a good thing. And I don't mean to "play the victim" as much as to disprove your blanket statement which is patently untrue. I


I would tend to agree with this in spirit. Being positive is more acceptable than being negative, and being a bit too protective of a team's asset seems in line with fandom and fan discussions. Some of us are more openly homer than others, some of us are more openly contrarian than others.

It's part of the plurality of opinions. Best would be if everyone accepted the plurality exists and just got on with it -- when ignore list campaigns, and scarlet letters (eg "Reinbacher hater"), and so on get out of hand you get a defacto hivemind.

lol I can’t

 

[CzarDemidov]

Small goal scoring wingers are much easier to come by than top 4 RHD who can skate with size.

Calling Michkov a small scoring winger undersells his quality and talent and it undersells what they saw in Reino

MSL was a small scoring winger, much harder to come across a Craig Rivet than a MSL right

 

[Michoulicious]

Just coming back from the Rocket game, and I must say I am concerned.

Reinbacher showed nothing elite. Nothing. Even simple zone exits where rough.

No vision in the O zone.

Tough, tough game.

 

[Tyson]

Just coming back from the Rocket game, and I must say I am concerned.

Reinbacher showed nothing elite. Nothing. Even simple zone exits where rough.

No vision in the O zone.

Tough, tough game.

It was a tough game for everyone. Maybe DR who has missed over 85% of the season simply needs more time in the AHL to start the next season. No rush.

 

[Legend123]

Just coming back from the Rocket game, and I must say I am concerned.

Reinbacher showed nothing elite. Nothing. Even simple zone exits where rough.

No vision in the O zone.

Tough, tough game.

Are we gonna say this every time laval plays like shit

 

[HabsAddict]

Just coming back from the Rocket game, and I must say I am concerned.

Reinbacher showed nothing elite. Nothing. Even simple zone exits where rough.

No vision in the O zone.

Tough, tough game.

I've seen him fall a few times so I'm guessing he's wearing a brace and it hampers his mobility. It shouldn't affect his brain but if he loses his skating option then it may panic his decisions.

 

[Whitesnake]

Just coming back from the Rocket game, and I must say I am concerned.

Reinbacher showed nothing elite. Nothing. Even simple zone exits where rough.

No vision in the O zone.

Tough, tough game.

That was what made me put him outside my top 5 in that draft year. I saw nothing elite either. Something great. Very good skating. Very good defending. And untapped offensive potential. But there was never anything elite, at least for my liking. But development exist for that reason.

I still believe there is NO WAY he's in the NHL next year. Makes no sense to me. There's nothing he'll do in preseason playing against a couple of college boys that will convince me he should be in the NHL. Geez, it's not like we were eliminated since March.....at that rhythm, it's in 4 freakin months. That knee does not have the time to be fully healed and ready to go 82 games.

But right now, it's CLEAR he doesn't have his draft year mobility. Clear as day.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

Why did Reinbachers thread turn into a debate about AI driving Who gives a f***

Trying to read up on how RB has been playing

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Just coming back from the Rocket game, and I must say I am concerned.

Reinbacher showed nothing elite. Nothing. Even simple zone exits where rough.

No vision in the O zone.

Tough, tough game.

We can't judge on one bad game. The complete team played bad. But I do see that DR needs more time, his injuries slowed his developpment.

 

[Paddyjack]

Just coming back from the Rocket game, and I must say I am concerned.

Reinbacher showed nothing elite. Nothing. Even simple zone exits where rough.

No vision in the O zone.

Tough, tough game.

It's concerning if you expect him to be a regular RD with the Habs next season. Otherwise, it's not.

 

[Soaker]

It's concerning if you expect him to be a regular RD with the Habs next season. Otherwise, it's not.

Was he not planned to be in the lineup last season if not for the injury and is why they traded Kovacevic

 

[Mrb1p]

I hope that he has a huge summer so he'd get his agility and skating back to what it was before the injury. Seeing him move, you still see signs of discomfort.

Yup. He's going to reinjure his knee at this point. I've rarely seen a joint so weak in pro sports. It does not inspire confidence. I almost feel like this late post-season run is terrible for his development. What a tragedy. First we pick the wrong player and second the player we pick has incredible injury bad luck.

The 2023 draft is a whole fiasco. The picks traded, the picks made, the players passed on... Yikes.

It's getting concerning a little bit with the drafting record. Yes, Slaf, Hutson and Demidov are nice but they were "easy" picks. Slaf, Cooley or Wright would've yielded a top 6 forward, Hutson was a very easy bet at 62 (They passed on him 3 times, don't give me the genius BS.) and Demidov was obviously an easy decisison.

Hage is nice but the strategy and price paid around him, Im not sure I like.

And cue the brick throwing because I said something bad about the god-emperor Hughes.

 

[Archijerej]

Was he not planned to be in the lineup last season if not for the injury and is why they traded Kovacevic

Entering the season, we had Matheson, Guhle and Savard in our top 3 and Hutson, Barron, Xhekaj and Struble vying for playing time. I don't think neither Reinbacher, nor Mailloux were pencilled to be in the lineup.

There's no reason to rush Reinbacher next season, considering the time lost to injury. The management should definitely search the market for a RHD option for next season. It would also allow for an asset management approach when it comes to Matheson's extension.

 

[CzarDemidov]

Was he not planned to be in the lineup last season if not for the injury and is why they traded Kovacevic

Entering the season, we had Matheson, Guhle and Savard in our top 3 and Hutson, Barron, Xhekaj and Struble vying for playing time. I don't think neither Reinbacher, nor Mailloux were pencilled to be in the lineup.

There's no reason to rush Reinbacher next season, considering the time lost to injury. The management should definitely search the market for a RHD option for next season. It would also allow for an asset management approach when it comes to Matheson's extension.

Hughes repeated at the most recent press conference that he doesn’t like “blocking the way” of prospects and doesn’t want them to feel discouraged about their chances with the NHL team’s roster. That explains Kovacevic being dumped for nothing.

All signs point to them penciling Reino as a top7 dman in the NHL last September. Maybe this coming September it’ll be different because of his injury and whatnot but the market for RHD is brutal so I don’t know if they won’t defer to Reino out of simple opportunity cost.

 

[CzarDemidov]

And cue the brick throwing because I said something bad about the god-emperor Hughes.

The line “small scoring wingers are easy to find” gets thrown around a lot but it’s especially imprecise when you account for how much Hughes paid to acquire Newhook and Dach and they don’t even combine to put up what rookie Michkov produced alone in his rookie season. 60pt wingers are evidently not easy to find or cheap to acquire! A proper accounting for drafting Reino isn’t to downplay Michkov and Reino, it’s to acknowledge that Hughes and team felt Reino had top-pairing upside.

I would understand militant worship of the god-emperor if he had accomplished something beyond the norm but so far he’s not been challenged enough to declare him a triumphant hero.

I’ll give credit for Hutson though, no matter what else happened, out of every team we ended up with him and he is very much electric. Thank god for that.

 

[Archijerej]

Hughes repeated at the most recent press conference that he doesn’t like “blocking the way” of prospects and doesn’t want them to feel discouraged about their chances with the NHL team’s roster. That explains Kovacevic being dumped for nothing.

All signs point to them penciling Reino as a top7 dman in the NHL last September. Maybe this coming September it’ll be different because of his injury and whatnot but the market for RHD is brutal so I don’t know if they won’t defer to Reino out of simple opportunity cost.

We currently have one proven RHD on our roster in Carrier. I don't think signing another one blocks anyone.

For the sake of argument, let's say we sign Ceci and trade Matheson. Our pairs for next season could look something like this:

Guhle - Ceci/Carrier
Struble - Hutson
Xhekaj - Carrier/Ceci

In terms of depth chart, you have 4 LHDs (Hutson, Guhle, Struble, Xhekaj) and 4 RHDs (Ceci, Carrier, Reinbacher, Mailloux). It's hardly prudent to start the season with less than 8 NHL-capable defensemen anyway.

Nobody is blocked. Reinbacher or Mailloux has only to outperform one of Struble/Xhekaj and you put Hutson back on the left in such scenario.

 

[Mrb1p]

The line “small scoring wingers are easy to find” gets thrown around a lot but it’s especially imprecise when you account for how much Hughes paid to acquire Newhook and Dach and they don’t even combine to put up what rookie Michkov produced alone in his rookie season. 60pt wingers are evidently not easy to find or cheap to acquire! A proper accounting for drafting Reino isn’t to downplay Michkov and Reino, it’s to acknowledge that Hughes and team felt Reino had top-pairing upside.

I would understand militant worship of the god-emperor if he had accomplished something beyond the norm but so far he’s not been challenged enough to declare him a triumphant hero.

I’ll give credit for Hutson though, no matter what else happened, out of every team we ended up with him and he is very much electric. Thank god for that.

It would be even more-so imprecise if you look at the "small scoring wingers" we've had in the past decades.

Gallagher
Caufield
Tatar
Gionta
Cammaleri
Zednik
Drouin
Galchenyuk
Kovalev
Pacioretty
Cole
Ryder
Laine
Toffoli

I'm not sure if I have all of the "scoring" wingers we got since 2000, but even if you want to add a couple names, it's a laughable list in 35 seasons.

 

[Mrb1p]

We currently have one proven RHD on our roster in Carrier. I don't think signing another one blocks anyone.

For the sake of argument, let's say we sign Ceci and trade Matheson. Our pairs for next season could look something like this:

Guhle - Ceci/Carrier
Struble - Hutson
Xhekaj - Carrier/Ceci

In terms of depth chart, you have 4 LHDs (Hutson, Guhle, Struble, Xhekaj) and 4 RHDs (Ceci, Carrier, Reinbacher, Mailloux). It's hardly prudent to start the season with less than 8 NHL-capable defensemen anyway.

Nobody is blocked. Reinbacher or Mailloux has only to outperform one of Struble/Xhekaj and you put Hutson back on the left in such scenario.

Ceci is goddamn horrible, are you even watching the playoffs man ? He's basically one of the main reason why Dallas can't get over the hump.

You want this in our lineup ? Are you serious ?

 

[Habs]

lol I can’t

MODS!

 

[Archijerej]

Ceci is goddamn horrible, are you even watching the playoffs man ? He's basically one of the main reason why Dallas can't get over the hump.

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You want this in our lineup ? Are you serious ?

First of all, I said "for the sake of argument". I'm not advocating for Ceci specifically here.

Second, when two final four coaches use a defenseman for 20 minutes a night, I tend to trust them more than Google boys and their Exes sheets. Silly of me, I know.

 

[Whitesnake]

Yup. He's going to reinjure his knee at this point. I've rarely seen a joint so weak in pro sports. It does not inspire confidence. I almost feel like this late post-season run is terrible for his development. What a tragedy. First we pick the wrong player and second the player we pick has incredible injury bad luck.

The 2023 draft is a whole fiasco. The picks traded, the picks made, the players passed on... Yikes.

It's getting concerning a little bit with the drafting record. Yes, Slaf, Hutson and Demidov are nice but they were "easy" picks. Slaf, Cooley or Wright would've yielded a top 6 forward, Hutson was a very easy bet at 62 (They passed on him 3 times, don't give me the genius BS.) and Demidov was obviously an easy decisison.

Hage is nice but the strategy and price paid around him, Im not sure I like.

And cue the brick throwing because I said something bad about the god-emperor Hughes.

Nah you'll be fine.....if I'd be the one doing it though...watch out...lol.

I,ll say this....when a scouting group would pick the same player that posters here would pick...I,m not sure how people would praise how genius it was. So yes, I agree...Demidov pick...the easiest pick ever. And I agree with Hutson. Hutson was the BPA at the end of 1st round. Picking him at 62 wasn't a huge risk we took. But we did pick him. Yet...EVERYBODY in here who follow prospects would have picked him and were happy we did. In the end, when all is said and done, if Demidov and Hutson helps the Habs, it will be becuase our team picked them. And that's fine with me. But none were too hard decisions to make..lol. Why? 'Cause I would have made them...lolllll

They do have some extra pressure for Reinbacher as well but willl probably be protected by the injuries...We will have to be extra careful with David. I still believe in him and that he has some possibility to be an important player for us.

They already know they f***ed up on Mesar.

But right now, 2022 might be the very best draft of the last 3. We still have Slaf, Beck, Hutson. outside chances to do something with Rohrer and Engstrom. If 5 guys have value to do something...well it will be hard to surpass. 2023 it's Rein, Fowler and Xhekaj. 2024 is, for me, solely the Demidov-Hage picks. That's my analysis today. It could and hopefully will change.