DAChampion
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Why do you think scouts prefer going to games rather than watching them on TV?
Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Laval Rocket edition
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I predict that it will be a while before AI "replaces" scouts, at least ten years.
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That may be, but there is indeed enough data to train an AI system based on the play around the puck.
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I doubt it but we'll see.
I think it'd be interesting though because it would be entirely based off of on ice play and not interviews, combine, etc.
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I am sure that AI will be able to predict with impressive accuracy which player have what it takes physically to be successful in the NHL. It won't be able to deal with human nature though.
In a sense, it will act as a disqualifying agent more than the opposite.
In a sense, it will act as a disqualifying agent more than the opposite.
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well AI has replaced my neighbor who is a Radiologist lol, so a low IQ scout won't be that difficult. Have you seen them? fats bald guys who 'played the game' back in the day. They are done.
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Agreed but the problem with AI is finding the right people to train it e.g. back to the « you need good scouts »
What about behavior away from the puck ie. bench demeanor, interaction with teammates and coaches, reactions after mistakes - all stuff that video/AI misses. I think these things are important in scouting - not just skills, but how a kid carries himself under pressure. Just my $0.03 (inflation).
VirginiaMtlExpat
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A second non-image related neural network could in fact handle that too, if data is digitally formatted. If Moneyball is any indication, making a scout redundant ought not to be a stretch, even if hockey is a slightly different animal.
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Not happening any time soon in hockey for multiple reasons. AI assisted scouting where the AI is tasked to put dots on the radar for further scouting is near future tho. Other sports like baseball or football will have a much easier and faster transition to "full" AI scouting.
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It’s crazy reading how many people dump on young players like Mailloux & Rienbacker?
So reminiscent of the Barron rhetoric …..it’s almost as if they have no idea what player development looks like? Then the same “experts” are telling us how bad Fowler looks or Primeau won’t ever be in the bigs and that our goaltending isn’t trending upward, lol. Please guys let our d & goalies make it to 25 before you wright them off.
So reminiscent of the Barron rhetoric …..it’s almost as if they have no idea what player development looks like? Then the same “experts” are telling us how bad Fowler looks or Primeau won’t ever be in the bigs and that our goaltending isn’t trending upward, lol. Please guys let our d & goalies make it to 25 before you wright them off.
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Offense and defense are split, most plays tend to be "single task, single sequence/objective", virtually all prospects come from the same development ecosystem (iirc around 3% of the players in the NFL aren't born in the US). Draftees are also much older (compared to hockey).
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Well this where you want the AI to step in and evaluate players with a gazillion data points we human tend to overlook. The "easier transition" part is mostly a reference of getting a machine to understand the game and how to assess players within it. (Also more $$ will be dumped into that than in a hockey equivalent, so the latter probably won't be a pioneer in that field.)
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yes, Reinbacher has issues defensively. I have vid of every single game he's played since we drafted him, minus maybe 1 or 2 in the NL as they were no fun at all to watch so it's possible I missed one here or there. It's clear he's not some elite shut down D that many were saying at the draft, but he's an easy bet to be an NHLer and I keep saying his offense is underrated imo.
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I think Reinbacher has the skillset to become a great 2-way defender in the mold of a Markov to a certain degree. I think Rein is great at gap control and pinching and I really like when he joins the rush. The kid as untapped offensive potential that I think is often overlooked. I don't see him as a mean shut down defenseman and honestly, I'm fine with that because he has so much more to develop in other aspects. He's 20 years old and barely played since his draft. If there is 1 prospect we need to be patient with, is him.
Ryan McDonagh, Sergachev and Hedman didn't become themselves until their mid to late twenties.
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AI cant even drive my Tesla properly under a lot of conditions and I paid a lot of money to have it work, and thats with tens of millions of dollars and years of algorithms and data spent on it. Way more resources than an NHL team could invest. Most human drivers are still better than any AI, as long as you aren't terrible. Who knows how long it stays that way but I've been told FSD is 6 months away for 5 years, it's a meme at this point.
The other day Gemini was outright lying to me about some business case I needed further clarification on, luckily I knew a bunch of details so I realized it was straight up bullshitting me. People are way overrating AI's accuracy and effectiveness at this point.
Any team that replaces their scouts with an AI anytime soon will certainly bomb the drafts. Let them do it, as long as it isn't us. Humans will still be around doing these types of jobs for quite some time.
The other day Gemini was outright lying to me about some business case I needed further clarification on, luckily I knew a bunch of details so I realized it was straight up bullshitting me. People are way overrating AI's accuracy and effectiveness at this point.
Any team that replaces their scouts with an AI anytime soon will certainly bomb the drafts. Let them do it, as long as it isn't us. Humans will still be around doing these types of jobs for quite some time.
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In regards to his defense, he's played 21 AHL games which basically tells us very little in terms of where he'll end up at. I guess IMO, it's impossible to say it's clear that he won't be elite at anything at this time. It's always easy to try and project as fans, but with the kid missing so much time due to a very serious injury, this last little bit of season is like bonus time. Same can be said for his offense.
As you say, he's a NHL'er for sure but I'm not sure we can really gauge where he'll end up in terms of importance and usage at this time.
I do appreciate all the time you spend on those vids....they're terrific
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What kind of offense do you see him contributing, in terms of style? First pass? PP? Rushing the puck? On the PP, triggerman, quarterback?
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The question is not addressed to me lol but Reinbacher is a great transition dman. He has a good first pass, he can carry the puck up the ice (he in fact should be doing it more), in my opinion he’ll be a good option on PP2, his shot usually finds the net. I liked him when he played on the left half wall with Engstrom being on the blue line and he was taking one timers.
