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Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Laval Rocket edition

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Scriptor said:
Personally, I think it should be instead of Guhle and that Guhle should be used to get a young, established 2C instead.

Hutson - Reinbacher
Matheson - Carrier
Xhekaj - mailloux
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D’oh!

Sorry man, I’m not trading one the best young defenceman we’ve had in years. He will be a “beast defender” when he hits his prime. Plus, we just signed Guhle to a team friendly contract. Yup….I’m all in on this kid!! Cheers
 
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Rapala said:
We aren't trading Reinbacher. We aren't trading Guhle. We probably aren't trading Matheson.
Next season at least one lefty is going to have to play the right side unless Mailloux has a defensive epiphany.
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apparently hutson is just fine on the right side.

they'll probably start next season like this:

guhle hutson
matheson carrier
xhekaj/struble reinbacher
 
At this point I wonder if Hutson stays on the right and we keep Matheson as a Vet presence on a mid term deal.

Guhle - Hutson
Matheson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux/Struble

Mailloux/Struble/Savard

I'm open to keeping Savard as our Vet 7 if he is willing to take that role with lesser money.

Also possible Mailloux gets moved for a C,
 
Captain97 said:
At this point I wonder if Hutson stays on the right and we keep Matheson as a Vet presence on a mid term deal.

Guhle - Hutson
Matheson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux/Struble

Mailloux/Struble/Savard

I'm open to keeping Savard as our Vet 7 if he is willing to take that role with lesser money.

Also possible Mailloux gets moved for a C,
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Where is Carrier ?
 
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Goalfield22 said:
Guhle, Hutson and Reinbacher are untouchables.
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No, they're not. There's, like, 2 untouchable players in the NHL.

Hutson is incredibly unlikely to be moved because he's on the Quinn Hughes track and could be a Norris contender in a few years.

Guhle and Reinbacher aren't going to be traded unless there's a deal that makes sense, like a long term solution at 2C. Its just hard to imagine there's a trade out there from the outside looking in.
 
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By untouchable I mean a key piece of a credible Stanley cup contender that I can visualize in the next few years, one that would be very hard to replace and probably require more value coming back than the player provides.

For example Suzuki.
 
Guhle being called an untouchable is ridiculous. He has had like what, 1 injury free season in the past 5 years? You can't put him in the same category as Hutson or Demidov. There are plenty of defenceman in the league that not only play the same way as Guhle but are much better. You can trade for them or sign them in free agency. Hutson is irreplaceable, Guhle is not.
 
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HabsMD97 said:
Guhle being called an untouchable is ridiculous. He has had like what, 1 injury free season in the past 5 years? You can't put him in the same category as Hutson or Demidov. There are plenty of defenceman in the league that not only play the same way as Guhle but are much better. You can trade for them or sign them in free agency. Hutson is irreplaceable, Guhle is not.
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Who are those defensemen ?
 
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Andrei79 said:
Who are those defensemen ?
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Samberg, Miller, Gavrikov, Mikey Anderson, Hampus Lindholm, Esa Lindell, Travis Sanheim, Alex Vlasic, Brodin. They're all defensive defenceman, albeit older than Guhle. Not perfect comparables, but they play the same role on their team that Guhle does for the habs. I'd rather have Guhle don't get me wrong, but if you can get a young 2C for Guhle and then get those other guys? For example trade Guhle+ for a 2C then sign Gavrikov is like getting a 2C for free basically. Downgrade slightly on D while upgrading massively at C.

I don't want this to come off as me not liking Guhle, I do, but he's not untouchable. There are ways to improve the team by trading Guhle.
 
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HabsMD97 said:
Samberg, Miller, Gavrikov, Mikey Anderson, Hampus Lindholm, Esa Lindell, Travis Sanheim, Alex Vlasic, Brodin. They're all defensive defenceman, albeit older than Guhle. Not perfect comparables, but they play the same role on their team that Guhle does for the habs. I'd rather have Guhle don't get me wrong, but if you can get a young 2C for Guhle and then get those other guys? For example trade Guhle+ for a 2C then sign Gavrikov is like getting a 2C for free basically. Downgrade slightly on D while upgrading massively at C.

I don't want this to come off as me not liking Guhle, I do, but he's not untouchable. There are ways to improve the team by trading Guhle.
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A lot of those players don't do what Guhle does, or close to it. K'Andre Miller for example is not even in the same realm of players. Other players like Lindholm, Sanheim and Brodin were almost untouchable for years, or are still. This is without mentioning Guhle's elite skating that makes him able to keep up and shutdown players like McDavid and Mackinnon. Looking at your list just validates that there aren't many players like Guhle and that they're not available. Gavrikov won't sign here btw and he'll cost way more than Guhle if he signs in Quebec or Ontario.
 
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Andrei79 said:
A lot of those players don't do what Guhle does, or close to it. K'Andre Miller for example is not even in the same realm of players. Other players like Lindholm, Sanheim and Brodin were almost untouchable for years, or are still. This is without mentioning Guhle's elite skating that makes him able to keep up and shutdown players like McDavid and Mackinnon. Looking at your list just validates that there aren't many players like Guhle and that they're not available. Gavrikov won't sign here btw and he'll cost way more than Guhle if he signs in Quebec or Ontario.
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Lindholm literally just got traded and Boston might end up rebuilding. Miller's defensive results have been as good as Guhle's in the past, this year that entire Rangers team sucks defensively, even Fox, and Miller is faster, bigger and healthier than Guhle. Also can you predict every other signing this off season?
 
Captain Mountain said:
No, they're not. There's, like, 2 untouchable players in the NHL.

Hutson is incredibly unlikely to be moved because he's on the Quinn Hughes track and could be a Norris contender in a few years.

Guhle and Reinbacher aren't going to be traded unless there's a deal that makes sense, like a long term solution at 2C. Its just hard to imagine there's a trade out there from the outside looking in.
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Untouchable.
 
We have an abundance of LD. Why would we not consider trading Guhle to get that elusive 2C. Like HabsMD97 said, Guhle should not be untouchable like Hutson or Demidov. Completely agree and I also completely agree that Guhle should not be traded, but to say he is an untouchable is a bit over the board. I would completely change my tune if we had no left D, but as a reminder, we have: Hutson, Matheson, Xhekaj, and Engstrom. You have to be willing to give up quality to get quality.
 
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HabsMD97 said:
Lindholm literally just got traded and Boston might end up rebuilding. Miller's defensive results have been as good as Guhle's in the past, this year that entire Rangers team sucks defensively, even Fox, and Miller is faster, bigger and healthier than Guhle. Also can you predict every other signing this off season?
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Guhle is a superior player, bar none. Miller has struggled for two years now and Guhle isn't prone to the same mistakes. Guhle has been fantastic whether the team has been a tire fire or not. In any event, there aren't many player of Miller's profile either, as your small list has shown.

If you read what I said it was: "Other players like Lindholm, Sanheim and Brodin were almost untouchable for years". It took 9 years and him being a UFA, a first, a former first and a second to get him, as an impending UFA. This validates what I'm saying. Rare type of player who's rarely available and difficult to replace.

As far as Gavrikov goes, why would he sign with Montreal ? He's been in the US his whole career and there's no reason to think he'll go on a team that already has two LDs with prominent roles. If Montreal can sign anyone, then this discussion doesn't take place, because they'll just sign Bennett with the Gavrikov money right ? No need to trade a young player that's part of the core then. Reality is there are certain profiles that are rare and difficult to acquire. If you're trading them, you better make sure there's a low risk high upside return and a realistic plan that follows.
 
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