Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Get Well Soon Edition

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Nope. I disagree with plenty of posts that are sound and a matter of preference.

A bad take is a bad take because it's poorly grounded. That has nothing to do with preferences.

I've been wrong about plenty of prospects insofar as my confidence in their likelihood of reaching their ceiling. But when talking prospects, it's pretty baseless to assert with certainty that a 19 year old will or won't become something. That kind of take is about as useful as claiming with certainty that a coin flip will land head or tails. Hence, poorly grounded.

Fischer? Was decent pick, didn't work out. I appreciated the rationale and still do. Of the 10 players picked after him in the first round, only 4 went on to success at the NHL level.

Kotkaniemi... Also a decent pick. I maintain, like with Galch, that terrible development contributed to his stunted progression. That others picked below him have had a much better U25 career doesn't really change either assessment. I was wrong about how quickly he'd cement himself as a top 6 NHLer, especially after going to Carolina... But frankly, I still think there's a good chance he gets there in his 25-30 seasons... We'll see.

To your question... Yes, absolutely a player can be the "right pick" even if they don't realize their full potential. Was Yakupov the "wrong pick" because many picked after him ended up having a better career? Hindsight is an addictive drug, I get it, but it's pretty silly as a lens to assess a past decision.

Some decisions are poor at the time they are made, others are the right decision with a bad outcome. If one can't understand the difference between the two, it's likely that their ability to make good assessments is quite limited, and their takes likely quite poor.

Does a person who plays the lottery for 20 years instead of investing (in themselves or in a sound portfolio) making a good decision? Does the quality of their decision making improve if they win one day? By your logic, I suppose so :dunno:
You make some valid points
 
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Here's a little nugget... I wouldve gone with Michkov myself.

And I doubt I'd have gone with Slaf...

:dunno:
Ha I was torn michkov or Leonard and I was team Cooley. I always enjoy your input , it’s ok to have our little tiffs
 
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Here's a little nugget... I wouldve gone with Michkov myself.

And I doubt I'd have gone with Slaf...

:dunno:
I would’ve taken Michkov and Wright…

But I don’t follow the minor leagues so I can’t be held responsible for my ignorance on that front.

I get why we took him. Hopefully he recovers well. I’m still optimistic that he’ll be a good player for us. Nothing fancy but that’s okay.
 
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I would’ve taken Michkov and Wright…

But I don’t follow the minor leagues so I can’t be held responsible for my ignorance on that front.

I get why we took him. Hopefully he recovers well. I’m still optimistic that he’ll be a good player for us. Nothing fancy but that’s okay.

Wright looked atrocious in the playoffs leading up the draft. Are you positive?

He was getting points but he had zero compete in his game, I think those were HUGE red flags, so much so that I know I wasn't alone in thinking that we should absolutely not take him.

Though tbh I don't think I really had a favorite deep down, I just wanted us to make the right pick.

If I had to make the pick myself, I probably would have gone Logan Cooley.
 

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I'd rather just pick the better player and teach a LD to use a right handed stick 🤣

Drafting a inferior player just because of their position really peeves me.

He was the BPA if you take Michkov out of the mix, which you would almost assuredly have to do if you know that he's manipulating the process to go where he wants to go, and doesn't want to go to your team.
 

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He was the BPA if you take Michkov out of the mix, which you would almost assuredly have to do if you know that he's manipulating the process to go where he wants to go, and doesn't want to go to your team.
There was also Leonard.

Reinbacher was around 10 or 11 if I remember correctly in general BPA lists.

I'm not trying to focus on Michkov, more that the Habs pick for need so often and I wish they would pick the better player, you can pick for need once your prospect pool is fully stocked up. At the draft they said their decision to draft him might have been different if he wasn't a righty.

I'm sure many of us have nightmares about the KK pick.

If Reinbacher doesn't pan out to be a top line RD then we probably have to trade for one, might as well pick the best player and deal with needs later.

Hughes has shown he is a bulldog at getting what he wants, I believe in his ability to find us what we need.
 
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There was also Leonard.

Reinbacher was around 10 or 11 if I remember correctly in general BPA lists.

I'm not trying to focus on Michkov, more that the Habs pick for need so often and I wish they would pick the better player, you can pick for need once your prospect pool is fully stocked up. At the draft they said their decision to draft him might have been different if he wasn't a righty.

I'm sure many of us have nightmares about the KK pick.

If Reinbacher doesn't pan out to be a top line RD then we probably have to trade for one, might as well pick the best player and deal with needs later.

Hughes has shown he is a bulldog at getting what he wants, I believe in his ability to find us what we need.

Yeah there was also Leonard, but he wasn't the BPA to anyone, although they considered him.

Arizona wanted Reinbacher.
Philly wanted Reinbacher if they traded Gauthier to us for 5th OA (glad we didn't cause he probably doesn't sign here, either)
Nashville was trading up for Reinbacher.
Pronman had mentioned it specifically on the final podcast before the draft, that the noise surrounding the draft was that Montreal would see a lot of action for pick 5 and it wouldn't be to move up to acquire Michkov.

Reinbacher was the guy going 5. Now, will he be the right selection at that spot in hindsight? We won't know for awhile.. but let's just call a spade a spade, Reinbacher was drafted where the NHL and scouting staffs saw him going and wanted to take him if they could get there.
 
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Yeah there was also Leonard, but he wasn't the BPA to anyone, although they considered him.

Arizona wanted Reinbacher.
Philly wanted Reinbacher if they traded Gauthier to us for 5th OA (glad we didn't cause he probably doesn't sign here, either)
Nashville was trading up for Reinbacher.
Pronman had mentioned it specifically on the final podcast before the draft, that the noise surrounding the draft was that Montreal would see a lot of action for pick 5 and it wouldn't be to move up to acquire Michkov.

Reinbacher was the guy going 5. Now, will he be the right selection at that spot in hindsight? We won't know for awhile.. but let's just call a spade a spade, Reinbacher was drafted where the NHL and scouting staffs saw him going and wanted to take him if they could get there.
If Reinbacher was a LD I highly doubt other teams are approaching the Habs to trade for that spot.

That combination of defensive ability and positional need makes teams drool.

I'm still rooting for him and wish him all the success in the world.
 
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If Reinbacher was a LD I highly doubt other teams are approaching the Habs to trade for that spot.

That combination of defensive ability and positional need makes teams drool.

I'm still rooting for him and wish him all the success in the world.

Yes, the rarity of being a RD and having that profile that Reinbacher does, puts him higher on draft lists.

This is nothing new.. it's why goalies could be objectionably better than guys drafted in the top 10 but won't get drafted there. Centers and RD will always get drafted higher, that's because positional value is part of the BPA calculation for every team.

Buffalo always goes 'BPA' according to public lists and then had to dump Savoie for a third liner with size.
 

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Was there any update on his surgery? Usually sports teams announce the surgery was a success, etc.
 

Montrealcowboys

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I’m suggesting the Habs had Reinbacher BPA at 5 yes


Shane Wright looks good after a few questionable years…..now if only Hab fans could apply this to Reinbacher, the panic button would not be going off on an hourly basis.
Well Wright was drafted 1 year earlier so not sure where "questionable years" is coming from.
 

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I can't find a central scouting list with him lower than 8, and he goes down from there. I mean whatever, its done. I just don't recall anyone here saying he was a target at 5 considering who was available. I am sure there were, his name just came out of left field on draft day,
THN and their scouts had him at 9, so you are correct. By the way Bob McKenzie had him at #10 as listed on the TSN website.
 
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Yeah there was also Leonard, but he wasn't the BPA to anyone, although they considered him.

Arizona wanted Reinbacher.
Philly wanted Reinbacher if they traded Gauthier to us for 5th OA (glad we didn't cause he probably doesn't sign here, either)
Nashville was trading up for Reinbacher.
Pronman had mentioned it specifically on the final podcast before the draft, that the noise surrounding the draft was that Montreal would see a lot of action for pick 5 and it wouldn't be to move up to acquire Michkov.

Reinbacher was the guy going 5. Now, will he be the right selection at that spot in hindsight? We won't know for awhile.. but let's just call a spade a spade, Reinbacher was drafted where the NHL and scouting staffs saw him going and wanted to take him if they could get there.
Daniel Briere stated they wanted Michkov.
 

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I'd like to know the source of Reinbacher was hot for everybody....McCagg? yeah, well..I know I did say that he does have his contacts...but he's often somehow pegged with a guy who has to defend every pick the Habs make for some reasons....

I love McCagg's article about Arizona desperately wanting Reinbacher...and that an NHL team, filled with professionnals executives, had no plan B...and just had to pick Simashev...that they panicked...lol.

If that's true, please people...stop mentioning that pros know best...
 

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I don't think Michkov would have ever played a game for Montreal if we had drafted him. And maybe we would have selected someone other than Demidov had we drafted Michkov. I think you have to consider those things if you're still sour we passed on Michkov.
 

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I don't think Michkov would have ever played a game for Montreal if we had drafted him. And maybe we would have selected someone other than Demidov had we drafted Michkov. I think you have to consider those things if you're still sour we passed on Michkov.
This is the Reinbacher discussion thread but the irony isn’t lost on me that one player is scoring braces in the NHL (you say would have never played for MTL) and the other just had surgery for a blown out knee and will lose close to a full season of development.

Not sure where this attitude comes from but it’s grimly funny
 

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