Player Discussion David Quinn

[ReggieDunlop68]

Quinn was brought in to be a developer, when the team hits it’s stride and enters a new phase 3-5 years from now, Quinn probably won’t be the coach.

I’m not sure who the new coach will be, but when we hit some growing pains in the next phase, many will remark “Quinn would
have done it better”, yet when we get hot “we will really like this new take from coach X, and where never to huge fan of Quinn imho”.

The main issue will be that the roster will look drastically different 3 years from now let alone 5, so the comparisons made will
be terrible, yet made often.

 

[Mikos87]

There are somethings that Quinn has stated in the last couple of days that I wanted to call out, and say it's very refreshing to hear. What I admire about the guy is his honesty. Hopefully he can instill a blue collar work ethic to the blue shirts, because right now, it's an embarrassing group to watch.

I fully expect this group to perform badly and lose games on the basis of inexperience and a lack of talent. Was clear as day to me during pre-season of 2017. The 5th game during that schedule, I saw a team that was easily in the bottom tier, even before the sell-off at the trade deadline. I fully accept the rebuild, I have trouble accepting a lack of effort and preparation.

Few things from Quinn:

Post-Game after the ARI loss:

When asked why they blew another 3 goal lead, his response was genuine and sincere:
"I think it's mental".

During a TV time-out in the Vegas loss, addressing his team:
"Soft, you guys are soft. Get tougher. Do your job."

After the game:
'If you don't want contact, then you find another job'

I for one absolutely loved hearing that. Not liking what I'm seeing, but to have a coach who preaches values and work ethic is what this organization needs. Now, am I happy with the defensive decisions being made? No. Get a real defenseman to coach the D. Lindy's not cutting in my books, but that's no excuse for a lack of effort.

What I would like to see are in-game performance based benchings. We do see it, but it needs to be more in the Tortorella fashion. You can't shorten your bench by two lines. But you can shorten your bench by two-three players. The next time they come out lackluster, you take two-three guys... and you put them in the corner... preferably by Gianonne or the broadcasters so there's a constant camera shot of you out there.

You don't show up to start the game, then you sit for the next two periods.

 

[SirGoose]

Oddly enough something I've wanted to discuss regarding Quinn is Staal. I don't think I've seen Staal play at the level he has for this long throughout his career.

When Staal was still a prospect, there was offense in his game. Iirc the he was a pivotal part of Sudbury's offense. When he debuted under Renney he was used almost exclusively in a shutdown roll as the team was trying to win. 3 seasons into his career, the injuries and coaching changes begin to happen and you're left with a player who needed some developing instead being the relied upon defensive anchor on teams that are supposed to win playoff games.

Now we have an older, yet more physically capable player in Staal in a situation where he is being encouraged to expand his game. I think he's responded well to it, and I think it speaks magnitudes to Quinn's understanding of his players potential regardless of their past history or age.

Edit* I think this bodes well for Quinn going forward, he could have a long career here.
His in-game management and even just match knowledge needs guidance. I get the feeling he's still figuring out the optimal ways to go about his job, and yo that's okay, he's a rookie too

 

[True Blue]

I get the feeling he's still figuring out the optimal ways to go about his job, and yo that's okay, he's a rookie too

Of course he is. Just like rookie players develop and should improve, same goes for rookie coaches. Especially straight out of college.

 

[romba]

Oddly enough something I've wanted to discuss regarding Quinn is Staal. I don't think I've seen Staal play at the level he has for this long throughout his career.

When Staal was still a prospect, there was offense in his game. Iirc the he was a pivotal part of Sudbury's offense. When he debuted under Renney he was used almost exclusively in a shutdown roll as the team was trying to win. 3 seasons into his career, the injuries and coaching changes begin to happen and you're left with a player who needed some developing instead being the relied upon defensive anchor on teams that are supposed to win playoff games.

Now we have an older, yet more physically capable player in Staal in a situation where he is being encouraged to expand his game. I think he's responded well to it, and I think it speaks magnitudes to Quinn's understanding of his players potential regardless of their past history or age.

Edit* I think this bodes well for Quinn going forward, he could have a long career here.
His in-game management and even just match knowledge needs guidance. I get the feeling he's still figuring out the optimal ways to go about his job, and yo that's okay, he's a rookie too

Nice post, I agree. We’ve seen a renewed effort from Staal to push the enevelope offensively and while there have been mistakes I’ve seen a more engaged player on both sides of the rink because of it.

 

[Baby Punisher]

I have not been following things as closely as I usually do or should be. I have heard in passing in other Rangers groups that Quinn's job may be in jeopardy. If he doesn't turn this around soon. Is that a real possibility?

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I have not been following things as closely as I usually do or should be. I have heard in passing in other Rangers groups that Quinn's job may be in jeopardy. If he doesn't turn this around soon. Is that a real possibility?

I have a hard time believing that. The Rangers brass can't really have expected that he (or anyone) could actually succeed with this group.

You could have a coaching staff of Bowman, Arbour, etc. and this team would still be near dead last. It has nothing to do with coaching. There is a dearth of talent (especially on D) and most of the talent we do have is completely raw and needs a year or more to develop into consistent NHL players.

The only gripe I have is the situation with Tony D. I can't get over how we are playing Staal, McQuaid and Smith in front of him. Those guys have no future with this team and are garbage to boot. Tony D is 23, easily our most exciting defensive prospect on the squad and continuously gets benched in favor of older and lesser skilled players.

Also, I guess it's nice that Staal is seeming more involved to many people, but he is still a horrid horrid player. He is one of the primary reasons I have more or less given up watching this team.

 

[True Blue]

Also, I guess it's nice that Staal is seeming more involved to many people, but he is still a horrid horrid player. He is one of the primary reasons I have more or less given up watching this team.

You are not watching the Rangers because of Marc Staal??

 

[egelband]

There are somethings that Quinn has stated in the last couple of days that I wanted to call out, and say it's very refreshing to hear. What I admire about the guy is his honesty. Hopefully he can instill a blue collar work ethic to the blue shirts, because right now, it's an embarrassing group to watch.

I fully expect this group to perform badly and lose games on the basis of inexperience and a lack of talent. Was clear as day to me during pre-season of 2017. The 5th game during that schedule, I saw a team that was easily in the bottom tier, even before the sell-off at the trade deadline. I fully accept the rebuild, I have trouble accepting a lack of effort and preparation.

Few things from Quinn:

Post-Game after the ARI loss:

When asked why they blew another 3 goal lead, his response was genuine and sincere:
"I think it's mental".

During a TV time-out in the Vegas loss, addressing his team:
"Soft, you guys are soft. Get tougher. Do your job."

After the game:
'If you don't want contact, then you find another job'

I for one absolutely loved hearing that. Not liking what I'm seeing, but to have a coach who preaches values and work ethic is what this organization needs. Now, am I happy with the defensive decisions being made? No. Get a real defenseman to coach the D. Lindy's not cutting in my books, but that's no excuse for a lack of effort.

What I would like to see are in-game performance based benchings. We do see it, but it needs to be more in the Tortorella fashion. You can't shorten your bench by two lines. But you can shorten your bench by two-three players. The next time they come out lackluster, you take two-three guys... and you put them in the corner... preferably by Gianonne or the broadcasters so there's a constant camera shot of you out there.

You don't show up to start the game, then you sit for the next two periods.

Would ‘like’ to give this post more ‘likes’.

 

[Inferno]

I have not been following things as closely as I usually do or should be. I have heard in passing in other Rangers groups that Quinn's job may be in jeopardy. If he doesn't turn this around soon. Is that a real possibility?

Umm no? I'd be curious who said that because whoever it is is an idiot.

This is a rebuild...the rangers are SUPPOSED to be this bad.

 

[nyr2k2]

I have not been following things as closely as I usually do or should be. I have heard in passing in other Rangers groups that Quinn's job may be in jeopardy. If he doesn't turn this around soon. Is that a real possibility?

That seems incredibly unlikely. They were supposed to be bad this year. They signed the guy for multiple years to help build something. The Rangers are not an organization to fire a coach at the drop of a hat, so...no.

Also, he's done a good job, IMO. I think he's as safe as any coach in the league.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Umm no? I'd be curious who said that because whoever it is is an idiot.

This is a rebuild...the rangers are SUPPOSED to be this bad.

Quinn is in trouble because he can’t coach the mess Gorton deliberately handed him. It’s punishment because he really didn’t want to be here, you know.

 

[Baby Punisher]

No sooner than I made that post Jim Dolan himself said he was Happy with Quinn. I guess you have to take it at face value and not a kiss of death. I have been happy with Quinn this far. We all knew this wasn't a quick fix.

 

[Off Sides]

They should try to build the roster around Quinn's preferences for a couple years before they fire him and hire someone else who will have different preferences.

 

[Niten Ichi Ryu]

Oilers fan with a quick query
A little off topic, but what is your guy's opinion on Alain Vigneault?

There is talk amongst us that Hitch should just retire at season's end and hire a new coach with modern day tactics. I wanted to hire him after Todd got fired, even more than Quenville.

But I heard he wasn't popular with the Ranger's fanbase. What's he like?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Oilers fan with a quick query
A little off topic, but what is your guy's opinion on Alain Vigneault?

There is talk amongst us that Hitch should just retire at season's end and hire a new coach with modern day tactics. I wanted to hire him after Todd got fired, even more than Quenville.

But I heard he wasn't popular with the Ranger's fanbase. What's he like?

Horrendous.

 

[GAGLine]

Oilers fan with a quick query
A little off topic, but what is your guy's opinion on Alain Vigneault?

There is talk amongst us that Hitch should just retire at season's end and hire a new coach with modern day tactics. I wanted to hire him after Todd got fired, even more than Quenville.

But I heard he wasn't popular with the Ranger's fanbase. What's he like?

Every coach has a shelf life. Unless they go out a winner like Trotz, they are likely to be vilified by some portion of the fanbase by the end.

Vigneault is a good coach, but I'd say his biggest weakness is his inability to adjust to his personnel. His defensive system wasn't working the last couple years because we didn't have the players to play a man to man style. We constantly had defensive breakdowns, yet he stuck to his guns and never adjusted to a zone type defense.

I don't think his defensive system would be a good fit in Edmonton, but he is good at getting offense out of his teams, so maybe he would be a good fit. Long term though, I don't think he's what you need. First and foremost I think Edmonton needs to be able to play strong defensively and I'm not sure they have the personnel to succeed in Vigneault's system.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Oilers fan with a quick query
A little off topic, but what is your guy's opinion on Alain Vigneault?

There is talk amongst us that Hitch should just retire at season's end and hire a new coach with modern day tactics. I wanted to hire him after Todd got fired, even more than Quenville.

But I heard he wasn't popular with the Ranger's fanbase. What's he like?

He might be good for a year or two coming in off of a defensive coach like Hitch before the players lose what Hitch had drilled into them.
AV’s coaching style is the most hands off thing I’ve ever seen, when he was fired there were reports of players saying he didn’t tell them why they would get benched, or tell them what he wants from them, or tell anyone they’re not doing practice drills right, he just leaves the teams captains to do all of that sort of thing. And because of that he’s a terrible in game coach, he doesn’t adjust to anything what-so-ever at any point during the game, if the opposing teams tweaks something to stop AV’s team from doing what they’re trying to do, he just keeps trying to do it. This also bleeds over into him being a bad coach for young players trying to break into the league.

He rolls all 4 lines evenly, but to a huge fault, 4th liners would be within a minute or two of even strength ice time to our top players. His whole system was pretty much man coverage in the defensive zone (which would end up leaving the front of the net open sooooo often because guys are just chasing people around) and if they got the puck back, stretch pass to the forwards to start an odd man rush, then if they didn’t score on the rush it seemed like there wasn’t any sort of mandate to try to keep play in the offensive zone most of the time (this is probably the biggest reason Grabner scored like 50 goals in 1.75 seasons here). His whole system does give a boost to the GF totals, but in doing so really jacks up high danger chances against, and the past two teams he’s coached have had Lundqvist and Luongo as starters with backups like Schneider, Raanta, and Talbot. He also loved leaning on defensemen that, on paper, didn’t fit his system at all like Girardi and Staal, they’d get shelled and if they ended up with the puck they couldn’t make those stretch passes most of the time, so they just sent it off the glass and out and the other team would just come right back. That cumulative team shot differential chart from his time here is a horror show to look at.

He also might find some way to get Tanner Glass onto the Oilers, so he might be worth staying away from just to get away from that

Edit: Oh and he used Eric Staal and Yandle (didn’t get PP1 time until halfway through his first/last full season here!) beyond terribly after the Rangers traded for them

 

[aufheben]

Oilers fan with a quick query
A little off topic, but what is your guy's opinion on Alain Vigneault?

There is talk amongst us that Hitch should just retire at season's end and hire a new coach with modern day tactics. I wanted to hire him after Todd got fired, even more than Quenville.

But I heard he wasn't popular with the Ranger's fanbase. What's he like?

I’m not trying to be rude, but I don’t think the Oilers have the skating, puck-moving capabilities on defense, or the goaltending needed to flourish in AV’s system. In addition to fast, skilled rosters, he had an incredible buffer with two Hall of Fame goalies backing his teams literally every season for a decade. I think someone like a Tortorella/“> sum of parts”-type coach would better fit the Oilers as they stand now. Just my opinion though.

If AV was on Chopped he’d be one of those chefs who always try to bake popovers or something for the Appetizer round which never rise in time, eventually just dumping that failure into the deep fryer 2 minutes before the clock runs out, and in the process forgetting to use one of the mystery ingredients, (but still winning in the end because one of the other mystery ingredients was Roberto Luongo.)

 

[Sarge13]

Every coach has a shelf life. Unless they go out a winner like Trotz, they are likely to be vilified by some portion of the fanbase by the end.

Vigneault is a good coach, but I'd say his biggest weakness is his inability to adjust to his personnel. His defensive system wasn't working the last couple years because we didn't have the players to play a man to man style. We constantly had defensive breakdowns, yet he stuck to his guns and never adjusted to a zone type defense.

I don't think his defensive system would be a good fit in Edmonton, but he is good at getting offense out of his teams, so maybe he would be a good fit. Long term though, I don't think he's what you need. First and foremost I think Edmonton needs to be able to play strong defensively and I'm not sure they have the personnel to succeed in Vigneault's system.

Oilers fan, listen to this, very accurate and without all the vitriol.

 

[Inferno]

Oilers fan with a quick query
A little off topic, but what is your guy's opinion on Alain Vigneault?

There is talk amongst us that Hitch should just retire at season's end and hire a new coach with modern day tactics. I wanted to hire him after Todd got fired, even more than Quenville.

But I heard he wasn't popular with the Ranger's fanbase. What's he like?

Just my personal opinion...and it's me and me alone...he's one of the worst coaches I've ever seen in this league during my lifetime. That's my opinion only.

 

[Crease]

Just my personal opinion...and it's me and me alone...he's one of the worst coaches I've ever seen in this league during my lifetime. That's my opinion only.

Muckler, Low, Trottier, and Sather were by far worse coaches than AV and that's just in the Rangers franchise the past 20 years.

 

[RangerLifer]

Oilers fan with a quick query
A little off topic, but what is your guy's opinion on Alain Vigneault?

There is talk amongst us that Hitch should just retire at season's end and hire a new coach with modern day tactics. I wanted to hire him after Todd got fired, even more than Quenville.

But I heard he wasn't popular with the Ranger's fanbase. What's he like?

He's competent but can't adjust tactics in mid game and that cost us a SC championship.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Good stuff from the coach.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/25/david...llege-coaching-style-and-rangers-development/

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Good stuff from the coach.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/25/david...llege-coaching-style-and-rangers-development/

Sounds like a guy still finding his sea legs and being very honest about it, which is both expected and refreshing.

I'd imagine it's a change for the veterans to be practicing as much as the squad does now - I believe the practice schedule was rather lax under AV. I'm not quite sure if this is the guy for the future, but he is establishing a culture of hard work and accountability, which is really all we can hope for given the current roster.