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McRanger said:
Stepan being a cap dump is an even more idiotic concept than ADA being a cap dump. Stepan is a 1st line center.

Cap casualty, maybe?
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Whoa. Who is arguing that ADA is a cap dump? Agreed on Stepan, but did I simply miss that part of the discussion?
 
If Hayes keeps playing like he have the last 5-10 games he will definitely start to get some attention around the league. I wonder what he could fetch if that happens. Who ever gets him probably has a strong chance to retain his rights, like lets say SJ or Dallas or Colorado traded for him and wanted to keep him, I would be very surprised if he ended up signing elsewhere. Strong top 2 line center with size in his prime that can be locked up long-term for under 7m per. That should get you a lot.
 
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True Blue said:
Whoa. Who is arguing that ADA is a cap dump? Agreed on Stepan, but did I simply miss that part of the discussion?
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I misinterpreted Reggie's nonsensical post as saying ADA was a cap dump (or a contract limit dump) but instead he meant Stepan was a cap dump. Which makes more sense, I guess? I don't know.

It's my fault for posting.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
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There we go.

And in the end , what you missed in the not meant to be literal hypothetical duplicate scenario, the point was there will be a shiny new toy every year.
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My acknowledgment of fault was for inserting myself in a stupid conversation, not for misunderstanding your gibberish.

And I understood the point, its just an asinine point. New doesn't mean better except for all those times new is better.

A post that goes something like "Y'all are only calling for Lundqvist to start more over Weekes because he's a shiny new toy, you'll forget about him as soon as Montoya comes around!" is somewhere in the HF archives.
 
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Ola said:
If Hayes keeps playing like he have the last 5-10 games he will definitely start to get some attention around the league. I wonder what he could fetch if that happens. Who ever gets him probably has a strong chance to retain his rights, like lets say SJ or Dallas or Colorado traded for him and wanted to keep him, I would be very surprised if he ended up signing elsewhere. Strong top 2 line center with size in his prime that can be locked up long-term for under 7m per. That should get you a lot.
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Well as it stands, his deal is expiring. I guess the acquiring team would also get hit his negotiating rights for a couple months after the season but I doubt those add to his value, if at all.
 
McRanger said:
My acknowledgment of fault was for inserting myself in a stupid conversation, not for misunderstanding your gibberish.

And I understood the point, its just an asinine point. New doesn't mean better except for all those times new is better.

A post that goes something like "Y'all are only calling for Lundqvist to start more over Weekes because he's a shiny new toy, you'll forget about him as soon as Montoya comes around!" is somewhere in the HF archives.
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Or you forgot about how ADA even got here already, which is scary, yet not surprising.

And the only point was shiny new toy syndrome.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
Or you forgot about how ADA even got here already, which is scary, yet not surprising.

And the only point was shiny new toy syndrome.
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You got me. I regret my whole "anyone who thinks Stepan was a cap dump is an imbecile" ruse.
 
McRanger said:
You got me. I regret my whole "anyone who thinks Stepan was a cap dump is an imbecile" :biglaugh::biglaugh:ruse.
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Stepan, a playmaking center, had been a Ranger his entire seven-year career, and had appeared in 97 playoff games with the team. But he has four years remaining on his six-year, $39 million contract, with an annual cap hit of $6.5 million, and after July 1 would have been able to invoke a no-trade clause to block any deal. He had 17 goals and 38 assists this season.​

Rangers Trade Derek Stepan to Coyotes Ahead of N.H.L. Draft

Anyway, the analogy like it or not, wasn't my crux. It was the shiny new toy syndrome. I probably could have used an example from every single season, but this was a recent one.

Also, you are definitely showing you don't remember what led to the Stepan trade at all. It was a cap dump because of his cap hit, years remaining , and no trade clause coming in after UFA day. The trade WAS NOT specifically for ADA.

The Rangers liked Stepan, but neither at his new price nor with the direction the team was heading, hence he was dumped [the :biglaugh:imbecile :biglaugh:word being cap dump] because he was dumped for financial reasons in regard to the cap.

Think of it as if instead of being dumped for being bad he was cap dumped because he was dumped for the cap.
 
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Ola said:
If Hayes keeps playing like he have the last 5-10 games he will definitely start to get some attention around the league. I wonder what he could fetch if that happens. Who ever gets him probably has a strong chance to retain his rights, like lets say SJ or Dallas or Colorado traded for him and wanted to keep him, I would be very surprised if he ended up signing elsewhere. Strong top 2 line center with size in his prime that can be locked up long-term for under 7m per. That should get you a lot.
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Agreed. But I’d happily keep him. Assuming his demands aren’t cap-crippling. He should get 2C money at this point.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Leave them in Hartford until we have a spot for them then. What's the ****ing point?
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To get them used to the speed of the game up here among other things i suppose. Really isnt much more either can do down there.They've already showed enough.Their minutes are coming soon enough.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Maybe I'm just impatient but I don't see why they can't play more than 6 minutes
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Well 6 mins was 1 game and 1 player.

I mean...pionk is a rookie and he's getting a metric ton of mins.

How's howdens mins? Isn't DeAngelo getting like 18ish mins?

Kids are playing....I have a lot of faith in this coach and what he's trying to get out of these players.

I thought buchnevich played the best game of his career last night imho.
 
There is a lot more flexibility for Pionk/ADA to play bigger minutes with this defensive group than it is for all of Lias/Howden/Chytil to play top minutes in this forward group.

Not trying to make excuses.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Leave them in Hartford until we have a spot for them then. What's the ****ing point?
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If playing under 10 minutes in the KHL is fine and doesn’t ruin those kids, I don’t see how it’s going to ruin kids in the NHL. And the point could be getting them used to the NHL pace, getting NHL coaching, practicing against NHL players, getting advice from the same players, etc. I know fans freak out about ELC slide stuff, but Friedman reported not too long ago that GMs don’t view it the same way, the bigger thing to them is the 40 game professional season accrued milestone
 
Blue Blooded said:
Gonna have to disagree here.

Klingberg >> Shattenkirk
Lindell < Skjei
Heiskanen <= DeAngelo (right now)
Methot <= Smith
Honka > Pionk
Polak = Staal
Carrick >= Claesson

I'd say that DAL D is at most >= NYR D right now and that's all on the back of Klingberg. Though if you weigh them by TOI Dallas comes out further ahead due to the amount of minutes played by Staal-Pionk.
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You haven't watched much of Miro it seems. He's been phenomenal
 
I'm less concerned about the minutes and more about the line changes.

Rookie coaching staff mistakes.

That Smith retreat was because of a call. To change lines at the dumb f***ing time.

And you've had some of the forwards with lower attention spans on ice when it happened.

Quinny's got to fix this.
 
Inferno said:
Well 6 mins was 1 game and 1 player.

I mean...pionk is a rookie and he's getting a metric ton of mins.

How's howdens mins? Isn't DeAngelo getting like 18ish mins?

Kids are playing....I have a lot of faith in this coach and what he's trying to get out of these players.

I thought buchnevich played the best game of his career last night imho.
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This isn't just one player for one game, hes been giving Chytil next to no ice time as well.
I dont get why so many people are fine with Quinn doing this but when Av did it with Buch we were all up in arms
 
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