Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[huerter]

Trey Patterson is a high 4* from Jersey. He enrolled early at Nova for second semester. This season didn't count for eligibility so there was no harm in burning a year (even though he's unlikely to be a 4 year guy). Villanova lost their leading mpg guy in Gillespie right before the tournament. Jay Wright is a lock hall of fame coach. And with all that said, Patterson played a total of 3 minutes of garbage time this past season.

That is one example. There are countless. Jay Wright isn't ruining Trey Patterson. He's indoctrinating him into the program. Likewise, David Quinn isn't ruining Vitali Kravtsov. In fact, Kravtsov has assimilated better than any of us could have expected. Whether you want to credit Quinn for that is up to you, but it sure as hell isn't a knock against Quinn.

 

[True Blue]

That is one example. There are countless. Jay Wright isn't ruining Trey Patterson. He's indoctrinating him into the program. Likewise, David Quinn isn't ruining Vitali Kravtsov. In fact, Kravtsov has assimilated better than any of us could have expected. Whether you want to credit Quinn for that is up to you, but it sure as hell isn't a knock against Quinn.

Wait. You think that my contention is that I think that Quinn is ruining Kravstov?

Whoa Nellie! Have you got the wrong guy.

 

[eco's bones]

The biggest reason IMO we’re not likely in the playoffs isn’t Quinn—it’s Mika taking half the year to get over his covid.

Once he got his game back the Rangers have been pretty damned good. We have three lines that can score and a lot better defense this year. Kakko’s a much better and more assertive player and Lafreniere keeps getting better and better and look what Fox is doing. This team is going places.

 

[Off Sides]

The biggest reason IMO we’re not likely in the playoffs isn’t Quinn—it’s Mika taking half the year to get over his covid.

Once he got his game back the Rangers have been pretty damned good. We have three lines that can score and a lot better defense this year. Kakko’s a much better and more assertive player and Lafreniere keeps getting better and better and look what Fox is doing. This team is going places.

To be fair, Strome, Kreider also took a while to look like NHLers this year too.

Yet I totally agree the future looks great.

 

[True Blue]

The biggest reason IMO we’re not likely in the playoffs isn’t Quinn—it’s Mika taking half the year to get over his covid.

Heck, look at the first 8 games. If Shesterkin or Georgiev could have stopped a beach ball, that alone could have been the difference. And that is even with Mika's face being plastered to milk cartons for the first 20 games or so.

 

[eco's bones]

To be fair, Strome, Kreider also took a while to look like NHLers this year too.

Yet I totally agree the future looks great.

Panarin is the driver of one 1st line and Mika the driver of the other. Strome did play well in Panarin’s absence. I’d give him that. Kreider’s way more dependent on his linemates. One player I’d say had a real good year all the way is Buchnevich.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

To be fair, Strome, Kreider also took a while to look like NHLers this year too.

Yet I totally agree the future looks great.

So did Panarin.

 

[eco's bones]

Heck, look at the first 8 games. If Shesterkin or Georgiev could have stopped a beach ball, that alone could have been the difference. And that is even with Mika's face being plastered to milk cartons for the first 20 games or so.

Georgie’s first game was good. He shut out the Islanders but yeah early season goaltending was iffy. Mika getting his game back pretty much gives us two first line worthy lines + and at times lethal power play.

 

[Off Sides]

Right, none of the forward vets really were on their games to start the season, and really they all have physically or mentally taken some leave of absences too throughout the season. I know people will disagree, but on D, Trouba also is included in that even when healthy.

For me the reason they may miss the playoffs, is more so the "vets" not putting in a whole season worth of good games, but of course they can/should not be blamed for the times they were unhealthy/recovering, or having personal stuff to take care of.

 

[Kords]

Wait. You think that my contention is that I think that Quinn is ruining Kravstov?

Whoa Nellie! Have you got the wrong guy.

Maybe i'm wrong, but he was never disagreeing with you. You just didn't understand his reference and assumed he was.

 

[ArPanet]

huerter missed the sarcasm when true blue said Quinn was ruining Kravtsov

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Georgie’s first game was good. He shut out the Islanders but yeah early season goaltending was iffy. Mika getting his game back pretty much gives us two first line worthy lines + and at times lethal power play.

I think a lot of the initial negativity was because two things— the top 6 and the goaltending—were not strengths at the star of the season and it was expected that they would be.

 

[Bob Richards]

Early in the season, George had a stretch where I wondered if he would ever stop a puck again lol

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Early in the season, George had a stretch where I wondered if he would ever stop a puck again lol

Yeah, the "expose Georgiev" era. It lasted a few weeks. Just goes to show you that players go through rough patches. Georgiev was and still is a better goalie than Kinkaid and it has always been a no-brainer who to protect

 

[kovazub94]

The anti-Quinn crowd now needs to find whatever remaining ridiculous and baseless accusations to continue to feed their hate.

Gone overarching accusations of ruining prospects since now - at about half of where the season would be with the regular number of games and proper preseason - ALL prospects look nicely on track in their development.

Gone accusations of the team underperforming - that in reality were caused by issues completely outside of Quinn’s control to begin with - since if NHL had a wildcard with ANY division the Rangers would be firmly in the playoff spot.

Gone the accusations of stifling creativity, or lack of defensive structure, or lackluster PP, or bad PK, or too many men penalties, etc etc etc, as the Rangers are one of the better teams in scoring goals or protecting its own net.

What’s left? Bland Pressers now? Not becoming an NHLer as a player? Lol. I’m truly amazed at persistence and creativity of the fuel that feeds the hate.

 

[Tawnos]

The biggest reason IMO we’re not likely in the playoffs isn’t Quinn—it’s Mika taking half the year to get over his covid.

Once he got his game back the Rangers have been pretty damned good. We have three lines that can score and a lot better defense this year. Kakko’s a much better and more assertive player and Lafreniere keeps getting better and better and look what Fox is doing. This team is going places.

The biggest reason we're not likely to make the playoffs is the quirk of the Covid schedule. Regular divisions and playoff set up? We're in a wild card spot. 82-game season? Time enough to get there.

Doesn't mean everything is perfect with Quinn, but barring a total collapse in the final 6 games, I'm coming away feeling very good about this season.

 

[eco's bones]

Young teams have to find themselves and the Rangers were the youngest team in the league in the toughest division in the league to start the season. The goaltending was iffy, Mika was off, the DeAngelo kerfuffle.

Now the team wins a lot more often than it loses. I’m not going to look up Kakko’s stats last year again. He was something like a -28 and most of his points were from the power play. If anyone can’t see the improvement I really don’t know what to say to them. He’s had to relearn the game for sure but we’re doing with him something that the Oilers didn’t do with Nail Yakupov. Turning him into a real hockey player, on a real line with good line mates and teaching him a 200’ game so he won’t become the next Patrick Laine. I expect Kaapo to one day be a leading producer for us but it doesn’t have to be now. We have Panarin, Fox and Zibanejad who can lead the production now.

 

[eco's bones]

The anti-Quinn crowd now needs to find whatever remaining ridiculous and baseless accusations to continue to feed their hate.

Gone overarching accusations of ruining prospects since now - at about half of where the season would be with the regular number of games and proper preseason - ALL prospects look nicely on track in their development.

Gone accusations of the team underperforming - that in reality were caused by issues completely outside of Quinn’s control to begin with - since if NHL had a wildcard with ANY division the Rangers would be firmly in the playoff spot.

Gone the accusations of stifling creativity, or lack of defensive structure, or lackluster PP, or bad PK, or too many men penalties, etc etc etc, as the Rangers are one of the better teams in scoring goals or protecting its own net.

What’s left? Bland Pressers now? Not becoming an NHLer as a player? Lol. I’m truly amazed at persistence and creativity of the fuel that feeds the hate.

The Rangers are very often now a fun team to watch. We do have stinkers now and again but the way that Panarin and Fox think the game—the way we can zip the puck around when we’re on is f***ing awesome. They both have to be top 10 in the league in hockey IQ. As disappointing as it might be because of the start of the season I really don’t get the mudslinging.

 

[jay from jersey]

Hyperbolic much? Yes, the Rooney decision was pretty dumb. But that hardly is the same with Gase. At last check which of Gase's teams had to work with such ridiculous hardships that occurred AND STILL be fighting for playoff contention?

Let's try a different route. Please answer the questions. Would you rather it was Trotz that was developing the kids? And what coach would have done more with this squad that is out there?

Granato has the Sabres playing hard. They aren’t that talented but they work. The players a out there flying around busting their ass every shift. I’m not saying Granato should have been the rangers hire, but this is one of the things that stands out most to if you watch the rangers from Quinn’s first year to this year. The hustle/ give a shit factor was a lot higher. They played with more hunger and more Fight IMO. I do think they are looking around for better prospects but I don’t think they make the coaching switch just to make one unless things get very volatile early next year. Gorts and JD would rather deal with the devil they know until they get the candidate they want

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Heck, look at the first 8 games. If Shesterkin or Georgiev could have stopped a beach ball, that alone could have been the difference. And that is even with Mika's face being plastered to milk cartons for the first 20 games or so.

Shesterkin had two really poor games (Islanders and second Pens game) and one of those we lost 4-0. He's responsible for the one other loss. Now, throughout the year he's given up big goals in the 3rd period that tied or broke ties as did Georgiev, and I've been critical of him but the take that he couldn't stop a beach ball is wrong. He was better than Georgiev even in the beginning, but we needed a goalie rotation. If Georgiev was playing like he did last year it would be one thing, but he wasn't. HE couldn't stop a beach ball. Shesterkin had two bad games. He always should have been getting starter games but Quinn and the Rangers didn't realize that he's vastly superior to Georgiev.

 

[jay from jersey]

Heck, look at the first 8 games. If Shesterkin or Georgiev could have stopped a beach ball, that alone could have been the difference. And that is even with Mika's face being plastered to milk cartons for the first 20 games or so.

Shesty did have a shitty first few games, but without him being amazing we are no where near the position we are in now, even with above average goaltending. Not just last night, but he kept a lot of games close or stole a bunch when this team could have been blown out of the building many nights with bad first and second periods. He definitely masks that deficiency.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So did Panarin.

Panarin took exactly one game to get going.

 

[duhmetreE]

The anti-Quinn crowd now needs to find whatever remaining ridiculous and baseless accusations to continue to feed their hate.

Gone overarching accusations of ruining prospects since now - at about half of where the season would be with the regular number of games and proper preseason - ALL prospects look nicely on track in their development.

Gone accusations of the team underperforming - that in reality were caused by issues completely outside of Quinn’s control to begin with - since if NHL had a wildcard with ANY division the Rangers would be firmly in the playoff spot.

Gone the accusations of stifling creativity, or lack of defensive structure, or lackluster PP, or bad PK, or too many men penalties, etc etc etc, as the Rangers are one of the better teams in scoring goals or protecting its own net.

What’s left? Bland Pressers now? Not becoming an NHLer as a player? Lol. I’m truly amazed at persistence and creativity of the fuel that feeds the hate.

We beat bad teams. We're still poorly coached. We're just the 'best of the worst' and have absurd talent.

Our PP scorches the same bad teams.

Why not wait to beat your chest after the next 6 games.

Beating up on PHI, NJD and BUF does not = We're good.

 

[True Blue]

Gorts and JD would rather deal with the devil they know until they get the candidate they want

Gorton and JD would rather have the guy I place who doing exactly what they have laid out as his job description.

We are going to talk about Granato? His team is actually older than the Rangers. And have not had all of the adversity that the Rangers have had. Eichel being injured and Hall being missing doesn’t help but that is still not the same as what the Rangers have gone through

 

[True Blue]

Shesterkin had two really poor games (Islanders and second Pens game) and one of those we lost 4-0. He's responsible for the one other loss. Now, throughout the year he's given up big goals in the 3rd period that tied or broke ties as did Georgiev, and I've been critical of him but the take that he couldn't stop a beach ball is wrong. He was better than Georgiev even in the beginning, but we needed a goalie rotation. If Georgiev was playing like he did last year it would be one thing, but he wasn't. HE couldn't stop a beach ball. Shesterkin had two bad games. He always should have been getting starter games but Quinn and the Rangers didn't realize that he's vastly superior to Georgiev.

Yawn....you are still at it? Color me surprised. Not enough responses to the latest and greatest Quinn poll to your liking.

In the dower 8 games there was one solid game by Georgiev. That’s it. Aside from that, both sucked.

want to play the question game again? Starting with the 9th game, what percentage of the games has Igor started?