Player Discussion David Quinn: Part II

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Right now, Panarin and Zibanejad give this team a decent chance on any given night.

And that has masked a lot of fundamental flaws. But that mask is starting to slide more and more.

Quinn feels like a throwback to the late 60s or 70s.

No real structure to the team or thought behind his approach from a puck possession pov. He relies on improvisation and personal skill from his top players and the puck breaks going his team's way. There's more to hockey than this. I'm sure he's a nice guy and all but jeez.
 
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I am tired of this coaching staff already, can we get legit coaching staff? Experiment with rookie coaches has failed. Hire veteran coaches.
 
Solid B and trust him long term. Really like Quinn.
I thought a D was harsh 3-4 weeks ago. But the reality is it is just right.

This team is not improving defensively. Their PP has gotten significantly worse with elite talent. The coaching staff has made incredulously poor decisions that have cost them points. He just does not know how to identify the team’s strengths and weaknesses and to shelter those areas especially in game at specific moments.

They will not succeed under him.
 
I mean the guy doesn’t have a lot to work with. That being said we are nearly leading the league in PIM and shots against. We have one quasi dirty player and a goon who never plays.

There needs to be more defensive accountability from the coaches.
 
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I will continue to pound the table that this guy needs really good, systematic oriented assistants to be successful

Lindy is not that. David Oliver at this point is take it or leave it
 
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I will continue to pound the table that this guy needs really good, systematic oriented assistants to be successful

Lindy is not that. David Oliver at this point is take it or leave it
This is the only way he survives. Part of the blame is on Gorton. He had opportunities to improve the depth of the team that could in essence help the team D. He also could step in and fire Ruff. I absolutely think Ruff makes the call to put both Staal and Lindgren on the ice at the end of the 2nd. What is DQ to do in the moment there? Tell him no in front of the whole team?

But the reality is you can see the difference between an experienced successful coach like Trotz and someone like DQ. Trotz is making the most of the personnel he has, whether that is getting them to buy in or just having a better system.
 
I thought a D was harsh 3-4 weeks ago. But the reality is it is just right.

This team is not improving defensively. Their PP has gotten significantly worse with elite talent. The coaching staff has made incredulously poor decisions that have cost them points. He just does not know how to identify the team’s strengths and weaknesses and to shelter those areas especially in game at specific moments.

They will not succeed under him.

As someone who gave him a D 4 weeks ago I thank you for this. Quinn just cant get the structure in place for these guys to succeed and structure is exactly what young players need!

I won’t crush Quinn for the Lias debacle because I think he handled the situation well but failing to develop a top 10 pick proves the myth that “develop coaches” exist and train Lynn shows Quinn is not one of them!
 
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We may be the first team in history to have an “accountability” coach and yet never back check.

It’s kind of impressive.
 
We may be the first team in history to have an “accountability” coach and yet never back check.

It’s kind of impressive.
Filip Chytil is our best backchecker.

But yeah, I'm in the "not a fan of Quinn" boat. For more reasons than the Rangers roster being shit. Everyone knows that, but you can tell that Quinn isn't a puck possession oriented coach. For a team that dumps in the puck so much, their puck retrieval is subpar. The only guy on the team who even tries to hold onto the puck that much, besides actually having the ability to is Panarin. Good teams maintain the puck, or actively try to at the least. Don't see that out of this NYR team.
 
Not a good puck retrieval team, not a great zone entry team, poor back checking, bad defensive team, few guys who stand up for each other. The accountability and “just work harder” routine gets old when there’s not much semblance of successful structures or schemes anywhere on the ice. The roster may lack depth but it’s not as Panarin, Zib, Strome, Chytil, Buch, Kreider, Fast, Lemieux are a bunch of AHLers after the first two. There’s no chemistry, not a lot of logic in the line combos, and not much structure. Preaching accountability and holding players accountable are two different things... and for a developmental coach, having different standards of accountability for different players doesn’t send the best message. When guys like Buch, Lias and DeAngelo can get in the coaches dog house but guys like Howden and Staal can’t, that’s not true accountability. Forget specifically about the handling of Andersson I don’t see why Quinn should necessarily be given the credit for guys like DeAngelo and Buch taking steps; they’re both entering their prime and young players all over the league struggle with maturity and consistency before figuring it out. I don’t know that them taking steps indicates quality player development from the coach anymore than it’s a natural progression. Guys like Chytil and Lindgren took steps this year, but isn’t that on the Hartford staff? Meanwhile guys like Lias and Howden were with the big club under Quinn’s guidance and took no steps whatsoever. So is Quinn a development coach? Or is a guy who preaches work hard and accountability but has no structure or system in place and isn’t really suited to be coaching an NHL team?
 
We may be the first team in history to have an “accountability” coach and yet never back check.

It’s kind of impressive.
He’s just as much an accountability coach as Torts or AV. Howden getting forced top 9 minutes is just as egregious as Boyle on the 2nd line or Glass playing at all
 
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He’s just as much an accountability coach as Torts or AV. Howden getting forced top 9 minutes is just as egregious as Boyle on the 2nd line or Glass playing at all
I don't think Howden feels forced.
 
Filip Chytil is our best backchecker.

But yeah, I'm in the "not a fan of Quinn" boat. For more reasons than the Rangers roster being ****. Everyone knows that, but you can tell that Quinn isn't a puck possession oriented coach. For a team that dumps in the puck so much, their puck retrieval is subpar. The only guy on the team who even tries to hold onto the puck that much, besides actually having the ability to is Panarin. Good teams maintain the puck, or actively try to at the least. Don't see that out of this NYR team.
Sounds like, uh, AV.
 
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