Player Discussion David Perron (D) 2 years / 4M AAV

[mysens]

I was talking to Jason York yesterday and he said Perron should be on Coming in Hot either today or tomorrow episode.

 

[Tuna99]

I was talking to Jason York yesterday and he said Perron should be on Coming in Hot either today or tomorrow episode.

If Perron doesn’t try to chew a guys nose off in game 1 of the season I’ll be disappointed - feel this dude is going to bring some much needed carnivore vibes to the team

 

[Senscore]

If Perron doesn’t try to chew a guys nose off in game 1 of the season I’ll be disappointed - feel this dude is going to bring some much needed carnivore vibes to the team

So many good gnawing options on that Florida team

 

[Cosmix]

So you haven’t seen him enough but you still default to a position of terrible signing. Nuff said.

Yup.

 

[Cosmix]

If Norris is healthy, he usually plays on the PK. Didn't JM use Timmy last year? I think when a skilled player is on the PK, they learn a lot about defensive hockey and playing without the puck, something many on this forward group need to learn.

I don't think it is wise or optimal to play your best players on both the PP and PK as that would potentially tire them out during a game and over a long season due to the extra ice-time.

Norris might not be one of our best players going forward given his injuries, so PK might be a place he can contribute. Hopefully he will be one of our best players but I have some concerns about him.

 

[Cosmix]

I think physical attributes can certainly be effective on the pk. In a perfect world you have a big fast guy who is smart killing penalties. I just think that being smart is more important for that role.

Guys like Chris Kelly and Shawn van Allen were tremendous penalty killers for the sens in the past and they never had oodles of size or speed.

Being smart, meaning knowing how to contain a player and forcing him outside to a less than optimal scoring position, and ensuring you don't allow cross ice passes to opponents in prime scoring locations. Yes. Being smart is a necessity. Being quick too IMO. Being both large and quick is even better but few players can do both at optimal levels.

 

[Xspyrit]

Worried about this too. Perron got 17 points on the PP I believe which he won't get here. He lost a step last year....along with Giroux

Its risky for sure and I think people like the idea of Perron from 5 years ago. Lets see what happens but I am not sure the sens improved with Perron in and Joseph out on the ice. Maybe in the locker room but 4mill is a lot for that

Tarasenko and Joseph vs Perron and Amadio

I'd much rather have the first duo...

 

[HSF]

Tarasenko and Joseph vs Perron and Amadio

I'd much rather have the first duo...

wasn't a fan of tarasenko either but he atleast was younger

def would take Joseph over all those guys

 

[bert]

Confused to which dots your brain connected to be concluding this... Where did I compare Perron and Kubalik? I only talked about the PP element. I have known Perron since his draft year in 2007, he's from Quebec and was a 1st round pick... He is a much better player than Kubalik but he's also much older. Hopefully his age doesn't show this season

What have you noticed about Gregor outside that he is a very good skater? Again, not sure why you say "they are nothing alike", the ONLY thing I compared was that they were drafted as long-shots offensive forwards and that they aren't the strongest guys out there. Are you arguing that Gregor is a tough/strong guy?

Need better reading comprehension...



Because I'd much much rather pay Brannstrom 2.0 than Hamonic 1.1

Brannstrom is going to be a great bargain for the AVs, as usual contenders sign great support/role players for cheap because they want to play on these teams.



A better defender by allowing more shots attempts, more shots, more scoring chances, more quality scoring chances while getting hemmed in his own zone more? Is Erik Gudbranson a better defender than Sanderson because his crosschecks by 60 are high?

The thing is I might have a different vision of defensive play than the traditional archaic views. One of the most important elements for me is transition



And you're telling me I haven't watched these players? Do you know how many seasons Gregor has been PKing? lol 1 season with the Leafs and he is a PK specialist?

Kelly is more physical and better defensively. It doesn't mean that Gregor can't continue to improve.

As for Gaudette, nevermind if you think I was comparing them stylistically. Already tried to explain.



The three most inconsistent players were shown the door? Joseph, Brannstrom and Kastelic? Weren't they actually the opposite? You thought Brannstrom and Joseph took many games off? And Kastelic when he was back from injury?

Ok we really don't share the same views on this.



All good, Stepan, Burrows and Legwand had a pretty good resumes too. What were views on them AFTER they played in Ottawa?

It doesn't mean Perron can't be good for us, this I don't know as I don't know the future. If he can provide leadership then ok, but we need ON-ice play too.

This is a hilariously bad post.

You literally compared perron to kubalik. Perron plays with an edge. They are polar opposites.

Resorting to reading comprehension because the point you made was terrible.

Suggesting that JBD to Branntsrom is similar to Gudbranson to Sanderson. Cross checks per minute. Wtf are you talking about.

Then comparing Perron to plugs that were actually past their prime like Legwand And Stepan. He scored at a 50 point pace.

Hamonic has a NMC which was given by Dorion. What does that have to do with paying Branntsrom more than double what any other team in the NHL was willing to pay him. He got 900 K man. His qualifying offer was 2.2. Million.

Joseph, Chychrun and Korpisalo were the three most inconsistent players. Clealry Joseph had some off ice issues. No one in the entire league wanted him. They had to add a 3rd.

If you don't want to look at it remotely objectively fine. But try and bring some legitimate arguments to the discussion next time.

Did you not watch the games at all? Feels like it based on this post.

 

[Micklebot]

ok but look at PP points... these players didn't score many of their pts on the PP like Perron did.

If you tell me we really needed Perron for the PP, then ok

Maybe I'm wrong but I have noticed a steep decline in Perron's game the last 2 seasons.

I think he'll fit nicely on the 2nd PP unit, and given how our PP looked last year, I do think help is a good thing. After him, who are we putting in that spot? Amadio?

PP1
Tkachuk
Norris-Stu-Batherson
Chabot

PP2
Perron
Pinto-Giroux-Greig
Sanderson

That gives us two potentially dangers PP units with some greasy players on each unit, a shooter, and some playmakers.

 

[Micklebot]

He's on CiH right now,

 

[Burrowsaurus]

So you haven’t seen him enough but you still default to a position of terrible signing. Nuff said.

He defaulted to concerned. Given age and money

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He's on CiH right now,

Great interview... This guy pumps you up. I think he's going to be exactly what the doctor ordered as far as upping the leadership on this team.
He's going to make a difference bringing a winner's attitude to the team. How many games did we admire Giroux's no quit game last year .. Our youngish core can give more and having another guy in the room and on the ice to bring that out is the hope, Amadio and Jensen's play and attitude should help that as well.

I wouldn't mind adding another vet 4C that is good defensively and on the PK. Bonino comes to mind maybe a good PTO candidate if he remains unsigned, Rem Pitlick a bit of a tweener could be another PTO type.

 

[bicboi64]

Stepan had declined into a 30 pts player before we traded for him
Burrows was a 20-30 pts player when we acquired him

Legwand is the only one that had a remotely comparable season heading into Ottawa acquiring him. It's certainly possible Perron fails to live up to expectations, but Stepan and Burrows in particular are really poor comparables since both had fallen off before coming here.

Perron is in that same category as Stepan and Burrows because he's a PP merchant who produced a solid amount playing on a PP unit with Larkin, Raymond, Seider, etc.,

He might be a tough guy to play against with good on-the-board play and puck protection, but $4 million for that and while scoring at a 50pt space, while slowing down is puts him in the same category as declining Stepan and Burrows.

I hope Perron lights it up on our PP as well, but having a PP specialist for $4 million and intangibles isn't my cup of tea personally.

 

[Micklebot]

Perron is in that same category as Stepan and Burrows because he's a PP merchant who produced a solid amount playing on a PP unit with Larkin, Raymond, Seider, etc.,

He might be a tough guy to play against with good on-the-board play and puck protection, but $4 million for that and while scoring at a 50pt space, while slowing down is puts him in the same category as declining Stepan and Burrows.

I hope Perron lights it up on our PP as well, but having a PP specialist for $4 million and intangibles isn't my cup of tea personally.

You're ignoring that Stepan was on the PP too, Burrows was on the PP the year prior to coming here too with 6 of his 22pts on the PP in 2015-16.

The narrative that Perron is a pp merchant and we need to be worried because of that is an odd one, we're going to penalize him for being productive on the PP? The reality is he's going to be on our PP, something that struggled last year, so him being effective on the PP should be a positive, not a knock against him.

Like, we didn't complain that Tank put up a bunch of PP points the year before we acquired him, but for some reason it's an issue with Perron?

 

[bicboi64]

You're ignoring that Stepan was on the PP too, Burrows was on the PP the year prior to coming here too with 6 of his 22pts on the PP in 2015-16.

The narrative that Perron is a pp merchant and we need to be worried because of that is an odd one, we're going to penalize him for being productive on the PP? The reality is he's going to be on our PP, something that struggled last year, so him being effective on the PP should be a positive, not a knock against him.

Like, we didn't complain that Tank put up a bunch of PP points the year before we acquired him, but for some reason it's an issue with Perron?

I'm not sure what your point is to be honest.

Stepan and Burrows being productive on the PP is another reason to lump Perron into the same category with them. They're older declining players who's positives don't outweigh their cons in the larger picture.

Tarasenko doesn't rely on the PP as much as Perron does and never has, but he is still an effective even-strength player, even if he's not the fastest.

My whole point is critiquing the Perron acquisition because its in the same area as the Stepan trade and Burrows extension. Perron might be better than those two, I'm not penalizing him for being effective on the PP, i'm critiquing him because he isn't going to be doing much else aside from the intangibles he'll bring because I don't think those intangibles are going to help us as much as all situations production like we'll get with someone like Tarasenko or the plethora of other FAs we could've signed.

 

[Micklebot]

I'm not sure what your point is to be honest.

Stepan and Burrows being productive on the PP is another reason to lump Perron into the same category with them. They're older declining players who's positives don't outweigh their cons in the larger picture.

Tarasenko doesn't rely on the PP as much as Perron does and never has, but he is still an effective even-strength player, even if he's not the fastest.

My whole point is critiquing the Perron acquisition because its in the same area as the Stepan trade and Burrows extension. Perron might be better than those two, I'm not penalizing him for being effective on the PP, i'm critiquing him because he isn't going to be doing much else aside from the intangibles he'll bring because I don't think those intangibles are going to help us as much as all situations production like we'll get with someone like Tarasenko or the plethora of other FAs we could've signed.

Stepan and Burrows weren't particularly productive on the PP (or at ES), but they did play on it. He's not in the same category as them because he is still productive in both situations, PP and ES

Tarasenko's production on the PP was pretty similar to Perron's, yes he was also more productive at 5v5., but we're talking about a 51 pts pace for Perron last year vs a 59 pts pace for Tarasenko the year before we acquired him, and an 18 pp pts pace vs 17 pp pts pace respectively. The difference isn't by any stretch extreme. I think Tank is a better offensive player, but Perron adds a bit more of that pest dimension.

I guess my point is you've created a false equivalency to Stepan and Burrows, and clearly selected those two because they were spectacular failures in their time here. You're acting like Perron's 30 ES pts and Tarasenko's 35 are worlds apart while equating Perron to Stepan's 20 ES pts. The reality is he's closer to Tank than Stepan.

Perron will help us on the PP, he's good on the boards for the cycle and is a PITA to play against. His 30 ES pts last year are well within what you can expect from a 2nd line winger. Any help he provides from a leadership perspective is gravy imo.

 

[Tuna99]

Stepan and Burrows weren't particularly productive on the PP (or at ES), but they did play on it. He's not in the same category as them because he is still productive in both situations, PP and ES

Tarasenko's production on the PP was pretty similar to Perron's, yes he was also more productive at 5v5., but we're talking about a 51 pts pace for Perron last year vs a 59 pts pace for Tarasenko the year before we acquired him, and an 18 pp pts pace vs 17 pp pts pace respectively. The difference isn't by any stretch extreme. I think Tank is a better offensive player, but Perron adds a bit more of that pest dimension.

I guess my point is you've created a false equivalency to Stepan and Burrows, and clearly selected those two because they were spectacular failures in their time here. You're acting like Perron's 30 ES pts and Tarasenko's 35 are worlds apart while equating Perron to Stepan's 20 ES pts. The reality is he's closer to Tank than Stepan.

Perron will help us on the PP, he's good on the boards for the cycle and is a PITA to play against. His 30 ES pts last year are well within what you can expect from a 2nd line winger. Any help he provides from a leadership perspective is gravy imo.

Also, Timmy on the ice is a jackass deep down and we need more of that from him, and Perron will bring that out of him. And Perron can take on some of the talkers and faux tough guys on to let Brady be impact with his stick and skates and not his gloves.

I’m not a huge Perron fan but I think it was a good signing and he’ll be impact.

Burrows wasn’t a leader for this team and he even admitted that. Burrows had so much money in the bank he was more focused on building his estate in Montreal and moving into coaching. Perron still has the fire burning, still wants to intimidate people and is still cross checking opposition faces well into his 30s.

If Perron takes on Matthew and tells Brady to let him handle that entirely weird situation, it’ll be worth the money.

 

[bicboi64]

Stepan and Burrows weren't particularly productive on the PP (or at ES), but they did play on it. He's not in the same category as them because he is still productive in both situations, PP and ES

Tarasenko's production on the PP was pretty similar to Perron's, yes he was also more productive at 5v5., but we're talking about a 51 pts pace for Perron last year vs a 59 pts pace for Tarasenko the year before we acquired him, and an 18 pp pts pace vs 17 pp pts pace respectively. The difference isn't by any stretch extreme. I think Tank is a better offensive player, but Perron adds a bit more of that pest dimension.

I guess my point is you've created a false equivalency to Stepan and Burrows, and clearly selected those two because they were spectacular failures in their time here. You're acting like Perron's 30 ES pts and Tarasenko's 35 are worlds apart while equating Perron to Stepan's 20 ES pts. The reality is he's closer to Tank than Stepan.

Perron will help us on the PP, he's good on the boards for the cycle and is a PITA to play against. His 30 ES pts last year are well within what you can expect from a 2nd line winger. Any help he provides from a leadership perspective is gravy imo.

Tarsenko wasn't really similar to Perron last year at all. Tarasenko had 8 points on the PP with us (and only 1PP point with FLR in their regular season), Perron had 17 points. Can you clarify the 18 vs 17 pp pt pace?

As Perron has gotten older, he's relied on the PP more. For the last 5 seasons 45%, 36%, 46%, 39% and 36% of Perron's production has been on the PP. For Tarsenko's its 30%, 43%, 27%, 28%, and 16%.

You're right that Perron is definitely better than Stepan and Burrows, but based on the type of production he has and who he produces with, he's a step below Tarasenko and I feel his contribution to our success relies on how much he can put up on the PP.

 

[Micklebot]

Tarsenko wasn't really similar to Perron last year at all. Tarasenko had 8 points on the PP with us (and only 1PP point with FLR in their regular season), Perron had 17 points. Can you clarify the 18 vs 17 pp pt pace?

As Perron has gotten older, he's relied on the PP more. For the last 5 seasons 45%, 36%, 46%, 39% and 36% of Perron's production has been on the PP. For Tarsenko's its 30%, 43%, 27%, 28%, and 16%.

You're right that Perron is definitely better than Stepan and Burrows, but based on the type of production he has and who he produces with, he's a step below Tarasenko and I feel his contribution to our success relies on how much he can put up on the PP.

I was pointing to what they produced before coming here, where, as I pointed out, they we actually very similar. Our PP was a mess last year, and Tank suffered because of it, but we had a good top 9 at 5v5, which we should have again this year. I think that helped Tank, he was actually more productive here at ES than he was in StL/NYR at a year younger.

What you've shown is Perron has been pretty consistently good on the PP.
Meanwhile, his 30 ES pts pts him at 47th among LWs, or 39th among RW (He plays both sides) not bad at all for a guy we expect to see on our 2nd line.

Produces like you'd expect from a 2nd liner at ES, and produces on the PP. Both good things at 4 mil.

 

[Cosmix]

Also, Timmy on the ice is a jackass deep down and we need more of that from him, and Perron will bring that out of him. And Perron can take on some of the talkers and faux tough guys on to let Brady be impact with his stick and skates and not his gloves.

I’m not a huge Perron fan but I think it was a good signing and he’ll be impact.

Burrows wasn’t a leader for this team and he even admitted that. Burrows had so much money in the bank he was more focused on building his estate in Montreal and moving into coaching. Perron still has the fire burning, still wants to intimidate people and is still cross checking opposition faces well into his 30s.

If Perron takes on Matthew and tells Brady to let him handle that entirely weird situation, it’ll be worth the money.

That will be something to watch if it happens.

 

[Samsquanch]

Pretty hard not to like this signing after todays interviews.

He basically has the perfect attitude for a vet (called himself an extension of the coaching staff). Not going to complain about whatever role hes asked to play and just work harder than everyone. And he and the Tkachuks are very tight - and supporting Brady with leading the team is exactly what he intends to do.

If hes good for 40-50pts in the first year, and say 30-40pts in the second, this is could be a homerun of a signing.

Quoting myself here with no shame at all.

After today's interview on CIH I literally love this signing and would be devastated if we didn't have this guy on our roster next season.

What a beauty. Like the PERFECT affordable veteran leader this team needed to help in every single area regarding culture and work habbits. He's the guy. Much much morseo than Giroux - with all due respect to Giroux.

He and Ulmark are going to help transform this team into a legit killer. Albeit in a family friendly, wholesome kinda way. Man I'm so friggin pumped for next season.

 

[coladin]

Great interview... This guy pumps you up. I think he's going to be exactly what the doctor ordered as far as upping the leadership on this team.
He's going to make a difference bringing a winner's attitude to the team. How many games did we admire Giroux's no quit game last year .. Our youngish core can give more and having another guy in the room and on the ice to bring that out is the hope, Amadio and Jensen's play and attitude should help that as well.

I wouldn't mind adding another vet 4C that is good defensively and on the PK. Bonino comes to mind maybe a good PTO candidate if he remains unsigned, Rem Pitlick a bit of a tweener could be another PTO type.

Seriously. What a f***ing pro and his Brady connection possibly went over everyone's heads when he was signed. But it is a deep one

 

[HSF]

I think he'll fit nicely on the 2nd PP unit, and given how our PP looked last year, I do think help is a good thing. After him, who are we putting in that spot? Amadio?

PP1
Tkachuk
Norris-Stu-Batherson
Chabot

PP2
Perron
Pinto-Giroux-Greig
Sanderson

That gives us two potentially dangers PP units with some greasy players on each unit, a shooter, and some playmakers.

That top unit will be relied on heavy. We already know from last year there will be a superior unit who gets almost all the looks which makes a difference. Perron points will decline if he is not on PP1...people just have to be ready for that. Its okay to know that we over paid a little for a guy who is probably a 3rd liner at this point who can step into the top 6 here and there

 

[Micklebot]

That top unit will be relied on heavy. We already know from last year there will be a superior unit who gets almost all the looks which makes a difference. Perron points will decline if he is not on PP1...people just have to be ready for that. Its okay to know that we over paid a little for a guy who is probably a 3rd liner at this point who can step into the top 6 here and there

Last year the gap between the most PP toi/g for Ottawa (3:26) and the 10th most (2:17) was 1:09, Perron was getting 2:56 last year. So, we're talking about 40 secs a game drop at the high end, and a drop from 17 PP pts to 13-14 if he maintains the same Pts per min rate

We actually had a bigger gap in usage two years ago, which makes sense because the second unit had a rookie in Pinto, and Brassard getting regular shifts instead of

I think the drop will be a bit more if he's on the second unit, but you never know. This year's second unit looks a lot stronger than the last two seasons so they may push the top unit for icetime more than prior years.