Player Discussion David Pastrnak VI

[DominicT]

The actual salary for lockout year?

a) The three Bruins that will receive any moneys in the event of a lockout and how much by way of signing bonuses.

b) Some of the players that signed for $5 million plus this offseason that go beyond a potential lockout year and their guaranteed money in the form of signing bonuses

c) another form of lockout protection other than signing bonuses. These players signed for $5 million or more and take them through a potential lockout. The money listed is how much their salary drops in the event of a lockout from either the previous year or following year. In other words, money they can't lose.

Radulov is a classic example of a lockout protected deal. In a potential lockout year he earns $4 million of which $3 million is guaranteed in the form of a signing bonus. So he stands to earn $3 million, but can only lose $1 million if a season is lost.

I'll stand by what I've said before, the lockout protection is a stumbling block in these negotiations.

 

[b in vancouver]

Dom - hypothetically, how high could they take the signing bonus?
Could they give him a $30M signing bonus and 6 years at $1M. Not that I'm advocating that as it would be a great way to destroy a player - just wondering if there has to be a balance from signing bonus to contract.

 

[DominicT]

Dom - hypothetically, how high could they take the signing bonus?
Could they give him a $30M signing bonus and 6 years at $1M. Not that I'm advocating that as it would be a great way to destroy a player - just wondering if there has to be a balance from signing bonus to contract.

No limit. Except the base salary has to be league minimum.

 

[Salem13]

Dom - hypothetically, how high could they take the signing bonus?
Could they give him a $30M signing bonus and 6 years at $1M. Not that I'm advocating that as it would be a great way to destroy a player - just wondering if there has to be a balance from signing bonus to contract.

Next years #37 salary seems a benchmark for the Bruins, he's only getting paid 875k to skate. The rest of the money is lockout or not.

 

[DominicT]

BTW I will just add, the contract I posted earlier as my "prediction" came from an agent (not JP Barry nor affiliated) as the type of deal he would look to for Pastrnak. Of course, it would come with "lockout protection". (his words).

There isn't an agent out there that is not preparing for a lockout. They all believe one is coming. (at least I'm told that by some agents).

 

[RI.B FAN]

A 30 year old 2-way guy and some AHL scrubs

We already have plenty of those. High calibre talent is what wins big games. No trade, Not an option!

 

[Salem13]

BTW I will just add, the contract I posted earlier as my "prediction" came from an agent (not JP Barry nor affiliated) as the type of deal he would look to for Pastrnak. Of course, it would come with "lockout protection". (his words).

There isn't an agent out there that is not preparing for a lockout. They all believe one is coming. (at least I'm told that by some agents).

DK46 is the last of the old school contracts it seems.

David wants to play

 

[smithformeragent]

If there's another lockout, I'm ****ing done with this league.

 

[DominicT]

If there's another lockout, I'm ****ing done with this league.

IF there is to be one, I think this will be the ugliest one yet.

It's my firm belief that the NHL will fight for a cap on second contracts. And you know players will be divided between those in the 28+ group and those 27 and under group.

Are. You. Ready.

 

[smithformeragent]

IF there is to be one, I think this will be the ugliest one yet.

It's my firm belief that the NHL will fight for a cap on second contracts. And you know players will be divided between those in the 28+ group and those 27 and under group.

Are. You. Ready.

Unfortunately, all it takes is one lunatic manager to set the market and the rest of them follow suit.

It's just absurd.

These guys cannot police themselves.
It's always something.

 

[riverhawkey91]

IF there is to be one, I think this will be the ugliest one yet.

It's my firm belief that the NHL will fight for a cap on second contracts. And you know players will be divided between those in the 28+ group and those 27 and under group.

Are. You. Ready.

That's legitimately crazy.

It's bad enough ELC value hasn't gone up basically since the cap was introduced -- Crosby and McDavid were $75K apart in both base salary and in AAV after bonuses, despite the cap going up by $36 MILLION dollars....now they want to apply that to second contracts too? There's no way the players go for that without some serious changes.

Why don't they just raise and extend ELCs? They're the shortest of the 4 majors sports...everyone else at worst has an option for a 4th year; the NFL has 4 guaranteed + an optional 5th. I think it'd be a much easier sell for the NHL if they go with something like 5 year ELCs and basically just build in a bridge contract to them. At least by then they should have a good idea what players are and can avoid some of these crazy contracts that backfire almost immediately.

 

[ickie*]

If there's another lockout, I'm ****ing done with this league.

the shl is an excellent product

 

[Over the volcano]

IF there is to be one, I think this will be the ugliest one yet.

It's my firm belief that the NHL will fight for a cap on second contracts. And you know players will be divided between those in the 28+ group and those 27 and under group.

Are. You. Ready.

No. I'm. Not.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Another lockout would hurt the game. These GM's do it to themselves.

 

[DKH]

IF there is to be one, I think this will be the ugliest one yet.

It's my firm belief that the NHL will fight for a cap on second contracts. And you know players will be divided between those in the 28+ group and those 27 and under group.

Are. You. Ready.

These $7 M a year contracts who are 20, 21, 22 years old are the reason

Every young player that has a good year will want $7 M

The established stars are already there

If I'm an owner I'm ready to fight

The posters who say pay him whatever he wants obviously don't run a business or own a home

 

[DKH]

Another lockout would hurt the game. These GM's do it to themselves.

Ok. So your the GM of Boston what's your Pastrnak answer

 

[DKH]

No. I'm. Not.

There will be a Big one coming

I don't expect to have NHL hockey in 2021-2

 

[Oates2Neely]

Ok. So your the GM of Boston what's your Pastrnak answer

I don't know the details/ requests. Hard to say. If what is being suggested is true I'd work some lockout protection into the deal.

I place some blame on the Oilers front office prior to Chiarelli. They handed out 2nd contracts to the likes of Eberle Nugemt-Hopkins Hall etc & got this ball rolling. Others followed suit.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Pasta should buy a house in Boston. Better deal than the rent there

 

[Over the volcano]

There will be a Big one coming

I don't expect to have NHL hockey in 2021-2

Well if it's any consolation the 2004-05 lockout made for one hell of a great season in providence. Maybe we all save some dough along with JJ...

 

[DKH]

Well if it's any consolation the 2004-05 lockout made for one hell of a great season in providence. Maybe we all save some dough along with JJ...

Yah that was fun

I won't miss the NHL

 

[LouJersey]

These second contracts are going nuts to destroy the NHL. The old bridge deal way was the way to go. About half of those never wound up being a big deal after. Locking up all of these guys to mammoth deals means you're either going to be a one line team, or lose your next wave of young talent when they can't get paid.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

IF there is to be one, I think this will be the ugliest one yet.

It's my firm belief that the NHL will fight for a cap on second contracts. And you know players will be divided between those in the 28+ group and those 27 and under group.

Are. You. Ready.

its how i read the tea leaves too... and consistent with human psychology

owners have never been against spending money but they are against being told how to spend money. owners want to satisfy their ego. if they can buy a shinny new toy they are happy. but having to pay more for a toy they already own sucks

meanwhile the players want whats promised them. they want their contracts. they want freedom of movement. they want the olympics. but they are more concerned to protect those who already paid their dues... less concerned about the kids who are johnny come lately

theres definitely fuel on the fire. normally you can get the players to buckle when you threaten them to lose a whole years salary... but many are protected now as you say

i have aquestion though... with so many guys getting paid... and no hrr during a lockout... will escrow clawback the signing bonus to a 50% of hrr?

i definitely see strong possibility of lockout coming... and second contracts ultimately as the main battleground players will have to give in on to see escrow back under control. i see the escalator going the way of the dodo bird.

and i think i see the league adapting a franchise player exemption like the other sports... make guys like mcdavid and kane and chara exempt from the cap

 

[Bruinsfolife]

If there is another lockout just stop going to games, stop buying merchandise, stop watching the games on tv. If everybody did this there would be no NHL and the owners and players would be begging us to come back.

 

[KrejciMVP]

These second contracts are going nuts to destroy the NHL. The old bridge deal way was the way to go. About half of those never wound up being a big deal after. Locking up all of these guys to mammoth deals means you're either going to be a one line team, or lose your next wave of young talent when they can't
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