Player Discussion David Pastrnak IV

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Agreed. This NHL game is getting ridiculous. No consistency, and like Fenway said, NBC has influence in the rulings..

NBC's fool announcers had it so wrong, but the intermission show had it so right.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

Daddy Quintal strikes again, that said I do not like Pasta making that kind of fake tough guy hit. Hope he learned his lesson, stick to shooting when you get it in the slot, bare down stop the fancy hotdog stuff. No suspension on that play at all from my view but he did take advantage. Do not make yourself a target kid. He is a keeper and will be for the next 10 yrs, its a process and he is going be fine

 

[JAD]

Has there been any official statement from Bruins management / ownership regarding the suspension? Do they disapprove? Or are they going to roll over on their back and expose their belly and take whatever the league hands them without question? Do they even have the balls to say they are unhappy with the League's decision in an attempt to defend one of their own players? They should be outraged, but if they remain quiet it's the trickle-down effect to the rest of the team. The next time an opponent runs over a Bruins player and no one on the team responds don't get upset with the team, because nobody has their back up above.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but if management at all disapproves with the ruling they should say that they are not in agreement with it.

 

[Absurdity]

Has there been any official statement from Bruins management / ownership regarding the suspension? Do they disapprove? Or are they going to roll over on their back and expose their belly and take whatever the league hands them without question? Do they even have the balls to say they are unhappy with the League's decision in an attempt to defend one of their own players? They should be outraged, but if they remain quiet it's the trickle-down effect to the rest of the team. The next time an opponent runs over a Bruins player and no one on the team responds don't get upset with the team, because nobody has their back up above.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but if management at all disapproves with the ruling they should say that they are not in agreement with it.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/pastrnak-suspended-two-games-hit-rangers-girardi

Claude Julien took issue with the Pastrnak hit being labeled dirty and clearly didn’t quite understand why his young star was even having a hearing over a mid-ice collision that simply looked like a strong hit through the body as the main point of contact when viewed in slow-motion.

“To me I see a guy [in David Pastrnak] whose feet are still on the ice. Sometimes players are in vulnerable positions, and sometimes it’s their own doing other times it’s just a part of the game, and you do what you have to do there. But I don’t think there was any attempt to injure the player there. I just think that was an attempt to finish his check, but certainly not to injure,†said Julien. “His foot is on the ice. You can see the snow coming off his blade, so it’s not like he never slowed down with the foot that was on the ice.

“He didn’t go full tilt. He tried to control his check. If you look at it in slow-motion it’s pretty self-explanatory: he doesn’t jump up and he goes through [the body]. When you go through body eventually the skates do come up with the flow [of the hit], but he didn’t jump up in the air and and on the guy.â€

 

[JAD]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/pastrnak-suspended-two-games-hit-rangers-girardi

Well good for Claude for saying something. I wish the rest of management ownership with voice their disapproval as well.
Is there any way to appeal something like this? And if they do disapprove then why don't they appeal?

 

[EverettMike]

Not a clean hit. he caught him directly on the chin.

You know you can't physically stop your body from moving forward after you hit the chest, right?

 

[EverettMike]

Daddy Quintal strikes again, that said I do not like Pasta making that kind of fake tough guy hit. Hope he learned his lesson, stick to shooting when you get it in the slot, bare down stop the fancy hotdog stuff. No suspension on that play at all from my view but he did take advantage. Do not make yourself a target kid. He is a keeper and will be for the next 10 yrs, its a process and he is going be fine

Ugh.

 

[EverettMike]

Correct.

Not only a hit to the head but on a completely vulnerable player.

But, its the usual no bruin hit is dirty, league hates us because, who knows?

This thread is full of fans that have called out dirty hits by Bruins plenty of times. I have no issue doing it and have on many occasions.

 

[Gee Wally]

Well good for Claude for saying something. I wish the rest of management ownership with voice their disapproval as well.
Is there any way to appeal something like this? And if they do disapprove then why don't they appeal?

No. its over.

The NHLPA can appeal on behalf of a player. But never when its a hit player on player.

 

[barstool]

If the roles would have been reversed and Girardi had hit Pasternak ,Girardi might have recieved a penalty but most fans would have said the youngster has to be more aware there.Hate this call.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Well good for Claude for saying something. I wish the rest of management ownership with voice their disapproval as well.
Is there any way to appeal something like this? And if they do disapprove then why don't they appeal?

It's very important Claude and everyone involved with the Bruins support Pasta here and I'm glad he said something.

It's one thing for a coach to "whine" about decisions going against his players. What the league is drifting toward here is simply eliminating a player's confidence to play the physical portion of a game. Here you have a player who almost never hits, who makes slight and accidental contact to a guy's chin, who doesn't injure the guy, who has never shown to be anything but a clean player...and you suspend him without warning?

I'm not here to argue it being a "dirty" or a "clean" play? The hit happened. It is what it is. But, based off everything we know about both the player and how these incidents have been handled in the past, it makes next to no sense to me that you're suspending David ****ing Pastrnak two games for this play.

 

[Fenway]

The game was in Manhattan. Safe bet many who work at the NHL offices were at game.
Game was on NBC and their broadcasters questioned the hit. Sportsnet Canada experts also questioned the hit.

Anything involving the head is going to be called. NHL owners are terrified about future litigation concerning concussions. It is the only issue i have seen Bettman lose his cool over when pressed.

It is what it is.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Maybe this is a thing, and I simply have missed it, but I think something that would really help is the DoPS put out a video at the start of each year outlining some sort of concrete rule as far as disciplinary actions based on certain types of hits. The parameters seem to change year-by-year, but we don't know until the suspensions and what not are doled out and it's just confusing.

I understand that every player is different, and every player is different, but if some sort of standard could be set before regular season games started, and these EXACT parameters could be referred back to after particular incidents, it would help both player and fan.

Right now, we have video reviews that make points but don't provide much of a link between what is and what is not. Having some sort of preestablished standard that is able to be acknowledged by everyone before the year starts would be helpful.

As in, I'm looking for quantitative and detailed, thought out description rather than "all head contact is subject to review."

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Well good for Claude for saying something. I wish the rest of management ownership with voice their disapproval as well.
Is there any way to appeal something like this? And if they do disapprove then why don't they appeal?

He said that after the game I think.

I want to see what the Bruins management say after the suspension. If nothing it's worse than the Bruins for those few years they let teams get injured without a care in the world.

 

[Midship]

I still can't accept this ruling both as a fan of the Bruins/Pastrnak and of the game/league. Terrible to feel that your favorite sport and a big source of joy/entertainment is slipping away. Feels dramatic typing that out, but when that hit results in a 2 game suspension from someone with no past history, I don't want to think what the NHL will look like a decade from now.

 

[Replicator]

What the league is drifting toward here is simply eliminating a player's confidence to play the physical portion of a game. Here you have a player who almost never hits, who makes slight and accidental contact to a guy's chin, who doesn't injure the guy, who has never shown to be anything but a clean player...and you suspend him without warning?

Yeah, that's the thing that frustrates me most about this. Pasta has just gotten the size & confidence to be a bit physical, and he gets shut down by the league. That's it. He may never go there again. And if something comes up in the future -- an elbowing, or charging --
he'd be a 'repeat offender'.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Yeah, that's the thing that frustrates me most about this. Pasta has just gotten the size & confidence to be a bit physical, and he gets shut down by the league. That's it. He may never go there again. And if something comes up in the future -- an elbowing, or charging --
he'd be a 'repeat offender'.

Its not this at all.


Its the fact he was 1-2 inches too tall so when he followed through on the hit was just high enough that it was a suspension.


Gave him 2 only because if you screw someone you might as well do it for something meaningful.




It sucks because we really need him right now but open ice hits aren't part of his game doesn't mean much going forward. But he likes to crash the net not just a perimiter guy hopefully having done a suspension will mean he drives the net harder and pushes back after the whistle if a d man chops at him. Last year Pasternak couldn't drill NHL regulars. This year he can and hes got suspended for it. I don't want him to go out looking for hits but he should play knowing he can plant most other NHLers.


Kid did nothing wrong he plays for a Boston team all our guys are liable to ******** suspensions just life these days.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Daddy Quintal strikes again, that said I do not like Pasta making that kind of fake tough guy hit. Hope he learned his lesson, stick to shooting when you get it in the slot, bare down stop the fancy hotdog stuff. No suspension on that play at all from my view but he did take advantage. Do not make yourself a target kid. He is a keeper and will be for the next 10 yrs, its a process and he is going be fine

Nah forget that. Pasternak been a regular since he was 18 and still too young to drink. People are xenophobic on him and consider him a soft Euro. If its at open ice and face to face plant the guy.


Big Bad Bruins.

 

[HeartsAlive]

People are xenophobic on him and consider him a soft Euro.

Nonsense. He was rightfully labeled "soft" because he was barely an adult and still physically maturing. Now he's getting older he is naturally growing into a more adult frame. No one's ever questioned him because he's Euro.

 

[CptxMorgan]

It's ****ing Pastrnak, that was probably his first hit of the season and just because he leveled a 'gritty' guy like Girardi doesn't make it dirty. Was shoulder to chest.

 

[Sheppy]

What sucks real bad is now Pastrnak will probably not throw another hit this year in fear of being suspended.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Quintel should be removed from his job. Going to call Habs radio daily and call him out lol

 

[GloryDaze4877]

You know you can't physically stop your body from moving forward after you hit the chest, right?

If my kid hits someone like Pasta did in his game today, I will buy him a car, not suspend him for two games...

 

[ODAAT]

If my kid hits someone like Pasta did in his game today, I will buy him a car, not suspend him for two games...

What kind of car?

I`m curious about what Quintal and the other Mensa members sitting on that committee felt Pasta should have done there? Pull up, wait til Girardi gently placed the puck on the ice, then hit him? Maybe a nice gentle stick tap?

So confusing and frustrating

 

[GloryDaze4877]

The game was in Manhattan. Safe bet many who work at the NHL offices were at game.
Game was on NBC and their broadcasters questioned the hit. Sportsnet Canada experts also questioned the hit.

Anything involving the head is going to be called. NHL owners are terrified about future litigation concerning concussions. It is the only issue i have seen Bettman lose his cool over when pressed.

It is what it is.

Except it isn't what it is.

Kulikov hit Voracek the other night, initial point of contact was chest/head, he got two minutes like Pasta...then nothing, crickets.

I don't want supplemental discipline on either of those hits, but if you are going to penalize one, penalize them all. There is literally zero consistently with the DOPS program.