Player Discussion David Krejci. IV

[Oates2Neely]

Pasta and Krejci alone has not worked...can we stop with this idea? it's like beating a dead horse

Cassidy has tried this combination here and there for two seasons now (while weakening the 1st line).... nothing

If you are going to break the top line as you suggest

Marchand + Krejci
Pasta + Bergeron

Bergeron Marchand don't need to play together until the very end.... this is not some drama/hockey love story

How many games has Pastrnak played on Krejci line?

 

[rocketdan9]

How many games has Pastrnak played on Krejci line?

enough games....

And if it worked/had potential Cassidy would have left it alone

After the 1st or 2nd period, Cassidy would also revert back to that Marchand Bergeron Pasta line

 

[Oates2Neely]

enough games....

And if it worked/had potential Cassidy would have left it alone

After the 1st or 2nd period, Cassidy would also revert back to that Marchand Bergeron Pasta line

Answer the question? Seeing as though you made the statement “Krejci & Pastrnak don’t work”. What are you basing that on?

I’m basing the success of Bergeron Marchand Pastrnak on stats. What are you basing your comment on? Or is it just a hot air comment with no substance as you tend to showcase here?

 

[Mainehockey33]

Marchand and Pastrnak are our two best wingers. Bergeron and Krejci are our two best centers. If anything, pull Pastrnak and play him with Krejci and DeBrusk. The Bergeron/ Marchand pairing has earned the right to play together. They’re money together

I’m not against that idea, but I’d also like to see Bergeron mentor some of the kids. Look at what he did for Pastrnak, imagine if he took Bjork and maybe Senyshyn under his wing? It’s something I’d like to see them try.

 

[rocketdan9]

Answer the question? Seeing as though you made the statement “Krejci & Pastrnak don’t work”. What are you basing that on?

I’m basing the success of Bergeron Marchand Pastrnak on stats. What are you basing your comment on? Or is it just a hot air comment with no substance as you tend to showcase here?

are you serious right now?

have you been following the team

if you have.... you know this experiment has been attempted many times. It hasn't worked while also weakening the 1st line

it hasn't clicked/worked (without Marchand recently added to the equation)

 

[Mainehockey33]

Krejci never should have told the truth. It’s obvious for virtually every player in the league... but you’re not supposed to *say* it.

Michael Ryder never said it so that means he loved the regular season and gave his all, right?

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

Michael Ryder never said it so that means he loved the regular season and gave his all, right?

Good point.

All I mean is I think guys clearly play harder in the playoffs. I can’t 100% say that’s true for all players but I believe it’s damn close.

 

[bruinshoper]

Krejci is a fantastic hockey player, period. If it wasn't for a broken wrist, and a pane of glass getting smashed onto his head, his playoff totals would be even more impressive. There are only so many players out there that can "do it all", (hit, play sound defense, be at "team first" player, be dangerous with the puck...and most importantly...elevate his game in the playoffs). Krejci is the type of player that still has the ability to take over a game (although admittedly that hasn't happened in some time, he still has the skill, hands, and attitude to do so). He is somewhat "under the radar" because he doesn't have that "dynamic" speed, or "booming" shot, or "crushing hit"...but every team is aware of him because his vision, hands, I.Q., and creativity is amazing. He is also absolutely tough as nails..the hits he has taken over his career, and the injuries he has played through...wow.

A healthy Krejci is a very exciting hockey player to watch. I hope he retires a Bruin.

 

[Oates2Neely]

are you serious right now?

have you been following the team

if you have.... you know this experiment has been attempted many times. It hasn't worked while also weakening the 1st line

it hasn't clicked/worked (without Marchand recently added to the equation)

I asked you a question. Either answer it or don’t respond.

How many games has Krejci played with Pastrnak for you to deem them a failure together? You have to be basing that on some figure?

 

[LSCII]

Marchand and Pastrnak are our two best wingers. Bergeron and Krejci are our two best centers. If anything, pull Pastrnak and play him with Krejci and DeBrusk. The Bergeron/ Marchand pairing has earned the right to play together. They’re money together

I'd move DeBrusk up to play with Marchand and Bergeron, and put Donato with Pasta and DK.

 

[LSCII]

He literally said "There's guys". You are assuming he's talking about himself, not because it's clear he is, but because it fits your narrative.

No narrative here other than wanting DK to play his best and help the team win games.

 

[rocketdan9]

I'd move DeBrusk up to play with Marchand and Bergeron, and put Donato with Pasta and DK.

Splitting Marchand and Bergeron is not a sin

I think it will be a good thing....help develop others.... balance the offensive output

You can still play them on the PP, PK together

I feel like a skipping disc on this matter... so will take a break on trying to convince this idea

 

[Oates2Neely]

I'd move DeBrusk up to play with Marchand and Bergeron, and put Donato with Pasta and DK.

I think that could work. If the top line (63-37-88) gets broken up I’d hope it’s not to insert Krejci in Bergeron’s spot. Slot them in pairs: Krejci Bergeron Pastrnak Marchand.

I’d be curious to see your lineup suggestion. DeBrusk would crush it with 63-37

 

[Krupp]

Frankly, were it not for Bergy and Marchy's incredible work together over the years, i'd say Marchy and Pasta as a duo are pretty good in general; they just need a good puck-worker to play along with. Krejci could be that guy. I'm open to the idea anyway.

 

[LSCII]

Splitting Marchand and Bergeron is not a sin

I think it will be a good thing....help develop others.... balance the offensive output

You can still play them on the PP, PK together

I feel like a skipping disc on this matter... so will take a break on trying to convince this idea

So splitting them wouldn't really hurt them offensively since presumably both would be fine. Where it would really come back to bite them in the ass is defensively. People don't appreciate the fact that Bergeron and Marchand generally take the toughest defensive assignment and shut down the other team's top line on a regular basis. You split them up, and that weakens everything. You can't just look at the offensive side and say we can do X without paying attention to the ripple effect it will have on the defensive side, because it will have a negative impact.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

So splitting them wouldn't really hurt them offensively since presumably both would be fine. Where it would really come back to bite them in the ass is defensively. People don't appreciate the fact that Bergeron and Marchand generally take the toughest defensive assignment and shut down the other team's top line on a regular basis. You split them up, and that weakens everything. You can't just look at the offensive side and say we can do X without paying attention to the ripple effect it will have on the defensive side, because it will have a negative impact.

What people are asking is CJ game plan.... let DK be the Offensive center and PB have the defensive load. Essentially diminush the top line opposition with DK centering it and ask Bergeron line to take the opposition top line and tough assignement. What people who are asking for the change is Bergeron taking the D tough load assigment and ALSO spread offence thru the line up.... conclusion asking Bergeron to do what DK wasn’t able to do offensively with the actual line up and add the tough D assignement......

 

[LSCII]

What people are asking is CJ game plan.... let DK be the Offensive center and PB have the defensive load. Essentially diminush the top line opposition with DK centering it and ask Bergeron line to take the opposition top line and tough assignement. What people who are asking for the change is Bergeron taking the D tough load assigment and ALSO spread offence thru the line up.... conclusion asking Bergeron to do what DK wasn’t able to do offensively with the actual line up and add the tough D assignement......

You're weakening both sides of the game though, since PB, BM, and DP are one of the top offensive lines in hockey, AND already draw the toughest defensive assignments. And discounting PB's offensive ability is foolhardy given he's vastly out produced DK when healthy, especially in regards to goals.

Moving Marchand down to play with DK to balance out the scoring weakens two areas. So rather than water down two pieces of their game, why not move Pasta down, since he's not truly on the same defensive level as PB and BM?

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

You're weakening both sides of the game though, since PB, BM, and DP are one of the top offensive lines in hockey, AND already draw the toughest defensive assignments. And discounting PB's offensive ability is foolhardy given he's vastly out produced DK when healthy, especially in regards to goals.

Moving Marchand down to play with DK to balance out the scoring weakens two areas. So rather than water down two pieces of their game, why not move Pasta down, since he's not truly on the same defensive level as PB and BM?

I agree. But people are asking this. They want a 2 line production and beleive Bergeron could do both without BM and/or DP on his line. Spread offence and shut down toughess opposition. Without trying....you will never know.

 

[LSCII]

I agree. But people are asking this. They want a 2 line production and beleive Bergeron could do both without BM and/or DP on his line. Spread offence and shut down toughess opposition. Without trying....you will never know.

Sure, two scoring lines is good and can be achieved by putting DK and Pasta together and keeping Bergeron and Marchand together, all while not weakening the defensive side. Whom you want on the wings with both of those lines is up to you. I personally would go Donato and JDB given both of those guy's offensive upside, but Heinen/Bjork/Senyshyn could be in the mix too.

In reality, the people pushing this the hardest are DK die hards that have been perpetuating this false notion that DK hasn't been given anyone decent to play with and they're looking to prove their point by keeping DK with Marchand and Pasta. Simple as that. Before the season started it was Pasta. Now that Bergeron is hurt, it's "you have to keep these guys together because they've been productive for 3 games". Uh no. If you want to split it up, I'd do pairs only. Not swapping just the centers out. Otherwise you're just robbing Paul to pay Peter.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Sure, two scoring lines is good and can be achieved by putting DK and Pasta together and keeping Bergeron and Marchand together, all while not weakening the defensive side. Whom you want on the wings with both of those lines is up to you. I personally would go Donato and JDB given both of those guy's offensive upside, but Heinen/Bjork/Senyshyn could be in the mix too.

In reality, the people pushing this the hardest are DK die hards that have been perpetuating this false notion that DK hasn't been given anyone decent to play with and they're looking to prove their point by keeping DK with Marchand and Pasta. Simple as that. Before the season started it was Pasta. Now that Bergeron is hurt, it's "you have to keep these guys together because they've been productive for 3 games". Uh no. If you want to split it up, I'd do pairs only. Not swapping just the centers out. Otherwise you're just robbing Paul to pay Peter.

In the past, Boston always did put DK in the offensive center position and asked Bergeron the toughess assignment. Look at 2009 thru 2013. Then PB and BM started to explode in 2013 and BM after the worl cup became a great worl class player. In 2013 imstill beleive if Bergeron ain’t getting hurt Boston would have beating Chicago... but that is another thread. PB in 2011 if not for his concussion against TB might have closed top scorer of the playoff despite having the d load... so he can do both.

Then they got Pastrnak... and since BM and DP have been centered by PB they became one of the 3 best line of hockey. But DK aim’t responding without Lucic, Horton, Wheeler etc....players surrounding him.

Now if you ain’t capable of adding you need to do something else. I beleive that Bergeron is a more complete player than DK and I do beleive Bergeron will get his points career average despite playing without BM and DP and still manage opponents toughess assignments. Why not... in my Book, Bergeron Hockey IQ is generationnal and I think he is capable to do so. My fear is regarding the top line without PB on opponents rink! How will they be capable of managing the opponents opposition.... that i am not sure! For me despite what is said in Bergeron, his hockey IQ is generational. One of his generation best and more complete player. I think he can succeed where DK didn’t.

 

[LSCII]

Michael Ryder never said it so that means he loved the regular season and gave his all, right?

Worst example ever, given Ryder was so inconsistent that Claude demoted him to the the third line, and then a couple of years later benched him for dogging it...

 

[KrejciMVP]

Sure, two scoring lines is good and can be achieved by putting DK and Pasta together and keeping Bergeron and Marchand together, all while not weakening the defensive side. Whom you want on the wings with both of those lines is up to you. I personally would go Donato and JDB given both of those guy's offensive upside, but Heinen/Bjork/Senyshyn could be in the mix too.

In reality, the people pushing this the hardest are DK die hards that have been perpetuating this false notion that DK hasn't been given anyone decent to play with and they're looking to prove their point by keeping DK with Marchand and Pasta. Simple as that. Before the season started it was Pasta. Now that Bergeron is hurt, it's "you have to keep these guys together because they've been productive for 3 games". Uh no. If you want to split it up, I'd do pairs only. Not swapping just the centers out. Otherwise you're just robbing Paul to pay Peter.

Krejci's fantasy value goes way up with 2 star wingers, it's a fact that with better wingers he'll be a more productive player and put up more points.

David Krejci, C, BOS (28 percent owned): The Boston Bruins center had an assist with one SOG in Boston's 2-1 overtime win against the Ottawa Senators on Sunday. Krejci is skating on the top line with elite wings David Pastrnak and Brad Marchand and extended his point streak to three games (two goals, two assists, eight SOG). He has primarily been skating on the second line with forwards Jake DeBrusk (LW/RW, 27 percent owned) and Danton Heinen (C/LW/RW, 4 percent owned), but looks to stick on the top line until center Patrice Bergeron (upper body) returns. Krejci is a must-stream fantasy option with his current lineup placement.

Fantasy hockey top 10 waiver wire pickups

 

[Mainehockey33]

Worst example ever, given Ryder was so inconsistent that Claude demoted him to the the third line, and then a couple of years later benched him for dogging it...

And he didn’t do that with Krejci even though Krejci is lazy and hates the regular season?

 

[Mainehockey33]

I don’t understand the people that say on one hand Bergeron is a much better player and then in the next sentence say he won’t be as effective without Marchand. I think Bergeron is good enough to play with other guys and still be just as good, and I’d rather have him on a line with younger players than Krejci. Krejci is good defensively too so this idea that we have a one dimensional offensive line and a pure shutdown line is wrong.

Don’t sell these guys short.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

I don’t understand the people that say on one hand Bergeron is a much better player and then in the next sentence say he won’t be as effective without Marchand. I think Bergeron is good enough to play with other guys and still be just as good, and I’d rather have him on a line with younger players than Krejci. Krejci is good defensively too so this idea that we have a one dimensional offensive line and a pure shutdown line is wrong.

Don’t sell these guys short.

Well...why would you want to put DK instead of PB if you don’t beleive Bergeron can succeed where DK didn’t? If there are simply interchangeable...why in hell do you need to argument for. If your opinion is that both player are interchangesble then it is robbing Paul to give to Peter and if the case in what world is this helping the Bruins!