Player Discussion: David Jiricek

[stevo61]

Yea what?

Am I missing something.


Evangelista would be sick trade for Jiricek. This team will always need scoring long term.

We have plenty of 2nd line and lower caliber players now and in the future. Wouldn't be excited in the slightest by an Evangelista trade

 

[Napoli]

We have plenty of 2nd line and lower caliber players now and in the future. Wouldn't be excited in the slightest by an Evangelista trade

Eh, in today's NHL it's 3 line hockey. Evangelista is a potential 25+ goal scorer. Not sure what you expect to get for Jiricek but can't imagine it's far from that. Evangelista would be a good piece to add to the bunch.

 

[Heldig]

What position would Columbus need the most?

 

[stevo61]

Eh, in today's NHL it's 3 line hockey. Evangelista is a potential 25+ goal scorer. Not sure what you expect to get for Jiricek but can't imagine it's far from that. Evangelista would be a good piece to add to the bunch.

Not even close to what I'd want. Besides I'd be more expecting of a major offseason trade as Waddell is known to do if a trade does happen. I still think a trade is pure stupidity anyway

 

[ViD]

What position would Columbus need the most?

Ideally another RHD, to be honest

 

[Viqsi]

What position would Columbus need the most?

Biggest weak points are goaltending present and maybe long-term (altho Ivanov is looking really good ) and RD long-term (presuming a Jiricek trade, of course). Aside from that, most of what we're trying to do is get kids and thus the roster as a whole up to speed promptly, which ends up prompting interest in Specific Guys On The Rise We Like.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

A 26-year old center who the previous two seasons scored 89 & 102 points? Why would no one want him?

His play has fallen off since he signed his extension (going back to last season). Less than a point per game. $11.6m AAV and possibly a questionable attitude from what I have read.

Certainly has value. Just don't see the need for a team like the CBJ to commit that many resources (AAV and term) to a player of his caliber.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

His play has fallen off since he signed his extension (going back to last season). Less than a point per game. $11.6m AAV and possibly a questionable attitude from what I have read.

Certainly has value. Just don't see the need for a team like the CBJ to commit that many resources (AAV and term) to a player of his caliber.

As far as I've heard, there's suspsicion that he's been injured. Sounds like a buy-low type of situation. Though I doubt Vancouver would actually be foolish enough to move on from Pettersson.

 

[CannonFire1]

I was looking at recent top 10ish draft picks who could be involved in a trade for Jiricek. There might be adds on some of these, but if we generally follow a top pick for top pick model, these are some names I could see. I tried to avoid D for D trade, because why? But Reinbacher might make sense. I picked Kasper over Danielson from Detroit because I think they would rather hold on to Danielson.

2021
Tyler Boucher - I don’t see the Jackets (or anyone) having interest

2022
Shane Wright - progressing comparatively slowly
Marco Kasper - progressing comparatively slowly
Matthew Savoie - progressing comparatively slowly

2023
David Reinbacher - knee injury, fans now hate the pick
Ryan Leonard - might want a young offensive RD in system as potential Carlson replacement
Dalibor Dvorsky - might want potential high end RD in system, drafted his brother

What about Noah Dobson or Braden Schneider?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[AnonCommentary]

disappointed it’s come to this but what can you do about it

 

[AnonCommentary]

Jiricek for Rossi?
Jiricek for Wood?
Jiricek for Bonk?

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

disappointed it’s come to this but what can you do about it

It hasn't come to anything yet. And Friedman said he didn't think that Columbus were close to a trade. Myself, I'll believe it when I see it. Though it's fun to speculate.

Jiricek for Rossi?
Jiricek for Wood?
Jiricek for Bonk?

As someone who loved Zeev Buium at the draft, I wouldn't be totally disappointed to see Jiricek for Buium+.

If only Nashville hadn't traded Askarov. Then I could have suggested something around Jiricek for Askarov + Surin.

 

[Crede777]

I think it would be a pretty big mistake to trade Jiricek at this point in time. I see major similarities between him and David Savard early in Savard's NHL career.

The only players it would make sense to trade him for probably aren't on the table and definitely aren't in Nashville's, Minnesota's, or Philadelphia's systems.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

The only players it would make sense to trade him for probably aren't on the table and definitely aren't in Nashville's, Minnesota's, or Philadelphia's systems.

not so fast on minnesota. their system is good. the names that appeal most to me in those systems (michkov's not happening)

1. buium - min
2. wallstedt - min
3. yurov - min
4. edstrom - nsh
5. rossi - min
6. drysdale - phi
7. bonk - phi
8. luchanko - phi
9. evangelista - nsh
10. wood - nsh

of those names, obviously buium and wallstedt are the most appealing. i doubt they give up either guy but you never know.

with buium he was obviously the top guy left on MIN's board when they picked, but they could very well have a higher grade on jiricek. and wallstedt is clearly the top goalie prospect in hockey, but they have a good young goalie in gustavsson already there.

would love to get yurov. slam-dunk top six forward who has taken big steps since moving to center full-time. smart, competitive, skilled player who i think has a shot to be a star. seems like they expect him to come over this summer which is why they may be looking to move rossi.

i'm higher on edstrom than rossi long-term, but rossi looks really good right now and they need to bolster the forward group.

drysdale would be interesting but ultimately uninspiring. definitely a great skater but would run into some of the same issues here that jiricek did – unless evason would have the guts to have him leap-frog severson.

less confident on the projections for the other guys. evangelista is a fine young player but i see him more as a middle six complimentary piece. wood reminds me of laine in a way that makes me nervous.

 

[GoJackets1]

not so fast on minnesota. their system is good. the names that appeal most to me in those systems (michkov's not happening)

1. buium - min
2. wallstedt - min
3. yurov - min
4. edstrom - nsh
5. rossi - min
6. drysdale - phi
7. bonk - phi
8. luchanko - phi
9. evangelista - nsh
10. wood - nsh

of those names, obviously buium and wallstedt are the most appealing. i doubt they give up either guy but you never know.

with buium he was obviously the top guy left on MIN's board when they picked, but they could very well have a higher grade on jiricek. and wallstedt is clearly the top goalie prospect in hockey, but they have a good young goalie in gustavsson already there.

would love to get yurov. slam-dunk top six forward who has taken big steps since moving to center full-time. smart, competitive, skilled player who i think has a shot to be a star. seems like they expect him to come over this summer which is why they may be looking to move rossi.

i'm higher on edstrom than rossi long-term, but rossi looks really good right now and they need to bolster the forward group.

drysdale would be interesting but ultimately uninspiring. definitely a great skater but would run into some of the same issues here that jiricek did – unless evason would have the guts to have him leap-frog severson.

less confident on the projections for the other guys. evangelista is a fine young player but i see him more as a middle six complimentary piece. wood reminds me of laine in a way that makes me nervous.

Of that list I’d want Buium or Yurov the most, then Wallstedt/Rossi, then Edstrom and that’s it. I’d love to get a goalie who’s close to ready like Wallstedt but his AHL stats haven’t been the greatest. If that’s the route they go, I’d hope the Wild would be the ones adding a bit.

Ultimately, I think I’d still like to keep Jiricek, because he’s such a rare type of player, even if I’m more worried about him as a prospect than I am the above guys, simply due to his skating.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Eh, in today's NHL it's 3 line hockey. Evangelista is a potential 25+ goal scorer. Not sure what you expect to get for Jiricek but can't imagine it's far from that. Evangelista would be a good piece to add to the bunch.

Jiricek is still young and hasn't asked to be traded. I don't think there's anything to be gained from considering him damaged goods and trading him like he is. I'm not saying Evangelista is a bad player or damaged goods but you damn well need to be targeting higher end potential in a Jiricek trade scenario.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Of that list I’d want Buium or Yurov the most, then Wallstedt/Rossi, then Edstrom and that’s it. I’d love to get a goalie who’s close to ready like Wallstedt but his AHL stats haven’t been the greatest. If that’s the route they go, I’d hope the Wild would be the ones adding a bit.

that's fair. i don't know that goalie stats are as easily translated across leagues as skater stats, and the jackets organizational philosophy on goaltending seems to be betting on tools over stats.

iirc backstrom was the guy who advocated for them to draft strahl (who had bad numbers and was barely on the radar to be drafted at all) and that seems to be trending well. gardner and ivanov are both toolsy but on the smaller side.

i guess what i'm getting at is that if backstrom thinks he can work with wallstedt and turn him into a star, he'd be a perfect target.

Ultimately, I think I’d still like to keep Jiricek, because he’s such a rare type of player, even if I’m more worried about him as a prospect than I am the above guys, simply due to his skating.

i don't disagree that he's a rare type of player, but i think the organization is probably better served at this point trying to get equivalent trade value for him + extending fabbro.

rolling fabbro - severson - gudbranson down the right side next season seems like a perfect environment to bring along mateychuk and maximize werenski's impact. longer-term, i'm bullish on marrelli.

not as high on elick personally as most around here but he's not the type of prospect who needs power play time, sheltered deployment, or a specific type of partner. jiricek's game is one where he has to play big minutes to get into the flow of the game in order to be effective, but elick seems like a perfect "throw him on the third pair and let it rip" kind of guy.

 

[tunnelvision]

1. buium - min
2. wallstedt - min
3. yurov - min
4. edstrom - nsh
5. rossi - min
6. drysdale - phi
7. bonk - phi
8. luchanko - phi
9. evangelista - nsh
10. wood - nsh

Buium -- would be a dream come true but we'd need to add
Wallstedt -- Intriguing prospect like Flyers' Bjarnason but I'd never waste such high value asset for a goalie unless you're guaranteed to have next Carey Price
Yurov -- would definitely consider it
Edstrom -- not enough by itself
Rossi -- not enough I guess
Drysdale -- not enough, not interested
Bonk -- would consider but not sure about his value
Luchanko -- would consider but also ask for more
Evangelista -- not enough I guess
Wood -- no thanks

My discussion starters for each team would probably be:

Bonk+pick/prospect
Schaefer+1st+pick/prospect
Buium (we add something to Jiricek)

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Buium -- would be a dream come true but we'd need to add
Wallstedt -- Intriguing prospect like Flyers' Bjarnason but I'd never waste such high value asset for a goalie unless you're guaranteed to have next Carey Price
Yurov -- would definitely consider it
Edstrom -- not enough by itself
Rossi -- not enough I guess
Drysdale -- not enough, not interested
Bonk -- would consider but not sure about his value
Luchanko -- would consider but also ask for more
Evangelista -- not enough I guess
Wood -- no thanks

My discussion starters for each team would probably be:

Bonk+pick/prospect
Schaefer+1st+pick/prospect
Buium (we add something to Jiricek)

What makes Buium more valuable than Jiricek?

Also, I completely forgot Wallstedt existed earlier. He'd make sense too if Minnesota were willing to part with him.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

What makes Buium more valuable than Jiricek?

obviously the blogger types LOVE buium but i would not be even remotely surprised if minnesota has a higher grade on jiricek. i'm sure most posters would disagree but it's not an unreasonable one-for-one.

Also, I completely forgot Wallstedt existed earlier. He'd make sense too if Minnesota were willing to part with him.

would also fit the "hasn't popped yet" description that friedman said.

 

[Napoli]

Jiricek is still young and hasn't asked to be traded. I don't think there's anything to be gained from considering him damaged goods and trading him like he is. I'm not saying Evangelista is a bad player or damaged goods but you damn well need to be targeting higher end potential in a Jiricek trade scenario.

I dont think either are damaged goods but I'm not confident Jiricek will pan out. By all means if you can find a better player and a team willing to trade said better player, go for it.

I think we both can agree that Jiricek in the AHL is the best thing for him. If he can figure out his skating, my opinion is moot.

 

[tunnelvision]

What makes Buium more valuable than Jiricek?

Buium's development hasn't become "stagnant" yet which would've hurt his value. No major flaws in his game such as backwards skating or inconsistent defending. No question marks regarding his attitude or agent, as far as I know. More reliable and very cerebral player at both ends of the ice, has truly dynamic playmaking and puck skills.

Just my guess though.

 

[CBJx614]

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Buium's development hasn't become "stagnant" yet which would've hurt his value.

if being a 20-year-old defenseman in the AHL is stagnating that's bad news for a lot of prospects, korchinski and name included

No major flaws in his game such as backwards skating or inconsistent defending. No question marks regarding his attitude or agent, as far as I know. More reliable and very cerebral player at both ends of the ice, has truly dynamic playmaking and puck skills.

Just my guess though.

and yet he fell to 12th in his draft all the same.