Player Discussion: David Jiricek

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Thanks for the correction, I'll take your word for it. I got a little different impression from reading the translation.
The translation itself isn't bad, but I think the author meant an overall change of style, from offense to more defense, not so much to support offense, focus more on defense. I judge by how such things are understood in Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
 
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In regard to your last couple sentences, I don’t really understand how that much improvement can happen either. Jiricek will likely be able to improve it because he has to grow into his body still.

I think Jiricek, like many of the “highly touted” CBJ prospects, has been no more than average, when looking at their fitness/strength levels. I think he will improve his speed a bit by gaining more muscle, which is clearly needed. That said, especially in relation to K Johnson, I think Jiricek’s “skating form” is easily just as bad or worse, and they both simply lack (lower body/leg) strength.

Also, while “big” guys get looked at better for a myriad reasons over “small” guys, some more legitimate than others, at a certain height/weight, other than a VERY few players, there is a negative impact on skating and agility. Whether it’s “good weight”/muscle or not, Jiricek is going to have to adapt even more and will be impacted by whatever amount of weight he surely should or will gain in the near future.

Who knows what will happen, and if he can find that “sweet spot” regarding his size and “technique” regarding his skating. I don’t wanna harp on his words any more, but, all I’ll say is HOPEFULLY he sees what many others see and acknowledges the need for improvement, which I’m not sure we actually have heard much from him.

But guys like KJ and Sillinger probably won’t see that much skating improvement as the issue is form. Form can be corrected but it takes a lot of time to truly break bad habits and even then it’s not like they’ll suddenly get a lot faster. Imagine how good KJ could be if he was a bit faster, he would basically be Jack Hughes lite.

Idk how much of it is “form” with any of these guys. I think Jiricek’s skating is quite a bit worse than both of these guys, but, I think his size has a lot to do with it. Was Chris Pronger a “good skater”? It’s also a reason I can’t stand people bashing Gudbranson for his skating.

These 3 young guys all have 1 main thing in common though. I don’t think it’s “form”, it’s FITNESS.

I have been very vocal from the beginning that I thought it was clear that Sillinger was quite literally “fat” for an NHLer. One of the most ridiculous aspects of him being in the NHL so soon. He clearly lost a bunch of fat and immediately gained speed/acceleration. You don’t get “in shape” in a year however, and his lacking endurance is something that shows up regularly, along with the fact that NO, his “form” is not great. Like a Boone Jenner though, with a commitment to getting his body in good shape, and a consistent “on ice” work ethic and intensity that seems to be there, he can get to point A and B fine. His “hockey IQ” is a whole other conversation.

I think KJ is similar to the other guys that he simply needs to FOCUS on his body/strength/fitness. You can add guys like Marchenko and Voronkov, and to a seemingly lesser extent Mateychuk, just for simply how “small” he is. Johnson and Marchenko are clearly and simply “weak” when looking at NHLers. If, or hopefully when they mature physically, look the f*** out. Marchenko may ultimately lose a bit of speed/acceleration while adding a different element to his game, which could be beneficial. I think Johnson will quite literally look like Panarin as soon as he gets his body in NHL shape, as long as his intensity remains consistent.

Shit, we’ve already seen a guy REALLY commit to his fitness level and the difference in Chinakhov after just about 1 year or so.
Skating, or at least speed, seems like it is very much a “you have it or you don’t” trait, but I’d love for folks to come in and give me some examples to the contrary.

Strength and Conditioning

What you either “have or you don’t” is the WILL to get there. Similar to having the will to get to the slot or the front of the net.

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The translation itself isn't bad, but I think the author meant an overall change of style, from offense to more defense, not so much to support offense, focus more on defense..

Well, he plays DEFENSE, so…..
 

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@GoJackets1 Barkov is a good example of a guy who was not considered a very good skater, as a prospect he was a rather average at it. I mean he went 2nd OA so it's not like he was a really "bad" skater but compared to the rest of his game it was a weaker area. He spent a full off season working with a figure skating coach of all things to improve his skating and it paid off massively. This was like 2016 or something I think, I think he was 20 or in his very early 20s at least at the time, so it can be done.
 

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He was such a good player last year for Cleveland. I know it was the AHL, but it’s playoff hockey and he was probably the best player down there.

Funny how none of us that were watching those games came to that conclusion. He had some heroic moments, games where you could say he was the most valuable, but most games we thought there were better players on that AHL squad.

He protects himself a little bit because he’s not the best skater.

This is what ruining a prospect looks like. You put them in situations they aren't close to being ready for, so they change their games in ways that reduce their upside.

Waddell said he kept Walsh aware that coaches were going to turn it up a notch on Jiricek. It’s important, he knows, for all parties to be on board. Part of that is Jiricek’s willingness to accept constructive criticism from a GM and coach who have long NHL resumes.

“We made it clear to (Jiricek) that if we’re not trying to help him, we’re not doing our job,” Waddell said. “But he’s got to help himself, too.”

How often does the club have to clear lines of communication through an agent, and have to explain it to a prospect that they're just trying to help?

Maybe this happens more often and it just doesn't get shared with the media, but either way, it's not what you want to hear.
 

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Funny how none of us that were watching those games came to that conclusion. He had some heroic moments, games where you could say he was the most valuable, but most games we thought there were better players on that AHL squad.



This is what ruining a prospect looks like. You put them in situations they aren't close to being ready for, so they change their games in ways that reduce their upside.



How often does the club have to clear lines of communication through an agent, and have to explain it to a prospect that they're just trying to help?

Maybe this happens more often and it just doesn't get shared with the media, but either way, it's not what you want to hear.
Wasn't a part of Jiricek's camp's argument something along the lines of "Korchinski is getting NHL time and money in Hawks, so why is Jiricek getting treated so poorly"?

Korchinski just got sent to AHL, and I read that the only reason he was in NHL last year was because he wasnt AHL eligible. Based on what Portzline wrote, it's time to do the same and link Walsh the Korchinski news since that was their own comparison
 

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I have never been a fan of Jiricek but all accounts point to him struggling to take the next step. His skating is not what it needs to be and honestly I'm not surprised he's having difficulties. He really should be in the AHL. Mateychuk is miles ahead of him IMO. It's unfortunate he has too many people in his camp telling him he's better than he is.
 

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Wasn't a part of Jiricek's camp's argument something along the lines of "Korchinski is getting NHL time and money in Hawks, so why is Jiricek getting treated so poorly"?

Korchinski just got sent to AHL, and I read that the only reason he was in NHL last year was because he wasnt AHL eligible. Based on what Portzline wrote, it's time to do the same and link Walsh the Korchinski news since that was their own comparison

It was Jiricek himself who made the comparison to Korchinski and Nemec, specifically about them getting NHL minutes and PP time.

I don't think it's about money, it's about ego and comparing himself to Nemec mostly. Those two battled as prospects for years.

Of course you can show him the Korchinski news. Nice to see the Hawks see the light there, though they should have left him in junior last year. He was very bad and dull.

I don't have much hope for the Jackets this year but for Jiricek's sake I hope the call up is brief if he continues to look as dull as he has in camp. This player has a brilliant mind for the game and he hasn't been able to implement it because of his awkward skating and current lack of core stability. The natural response for a player in that situation is to stop being creative.

I'd really love to know how the club made this decision. I don't think Evason was in on it. It seems like Waddell and some of the holdovers decided this months ago, and I wonder how that conversation went.
 
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It was Jiricek himself who made the comparison to Korchinski and Nemec, specifically about them getting NHL minutes and PP time.

I don't think it's about money, it's about ego and comparing himself to Nemec mostly. Those two battled as prospects for years.

Of course you can show him the Korchinski news. Nice to see the Hawks see the light there, though they should have left him in junior last year. He was very bad and dull.

I don't have much hope for the Jackets this year but for Jiricek's sake I hope the call up is brief if he continues to look as dull as he has in camp. This player has a brilliant mind for the game and he hasn't been able to implement it because of his awkward skating and current lack of core stability. The natural response for a player in that situation is to stop being creative.

I'd really love to know how the club made this decision. I don't think Evason was in on it. It seems like Waddell and some of the holdovers decided this months ago, and I wonder how that conversation went.
Maybe the point is as much working with Evason and the new staff as it is doing more of the same as the last 2 years? It's a different system that I think will benefit Jiricek more once he gets comfortable in it and gets back to making the plays he can make.

Vincent handled so many of our skilled guys so poorly it was mind boggling to watch but then I think back to how Torts who was around when Werenski came through and he just took the reigns off and let him run wild. Yes I understand Werenski was more polished but again I think this is trying something different with the player.

We aren't exactly going to be in any playoff races so it's not like having Mateychuk in every position imaginable in Cleveland is beneath him even if he looks better now.
 

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Maybe the point is as much working with Evason and the new staff as it is doing more of the same as the last 2 years? It's a different system that I think will benefit Jiricek more once he gets comfortable in it and gets back to making the plays he can make.

Vincent handled so many of our skilled guys so poorly it was mind boggling to watch but then I think back to how Torts who was around when Werenski came through and he just took the reigns off and let him run wild. Yes I understand Werenski was more polished but again I think this is trying something different with the player.

We aren't exactly going to be in any playoff races so it's not like having Mateychuk in every position imaginable in Cleveland is beneath him even if he looks better now.

Maybe Evason could help, but for development it's hard for me to look past the level of difficulty of the league and the effect that has.

These days every prospect has access to so many coaches.

Personally I tend to think that development outcomes mostly depend on

1. A players physical development and innate ability to learn. Skating is mostly those things as well.

2. Secondary to that you have league difficulty, playing against players where you can prefigure the best version of yourself. Prospects mostly know what they're trying to do it's about execution at speed.

3. Thirdly, coaching. Again, players have so many coaches, for the team and privately. If they didn't have that then there is more scope for one coach to make a big difference. But they're all getting a lot of fine tuning these days.

FWIW I would put "verbal misunderstanding with previous GM" somewhere at the very very bottom. Basically I don't think it is what determining outcomes, however much we like to talk about it.
 
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Maybe Evason could help, but for development it's hard for me to look past the level of difficulty of the league and the effect that has.

These days every prospect has access to so many coaches.

Personally I tend to think that development outcomes mostly depend on

1. A players physical development and innate ability to learn. Skating is mostly those things as well.

2. Secondary to that you have league difficulty, playing against players where you can prefigure the best version of yourself. Prospects mostly know what they're trying to do it's about execution at speed.

3. Thirdly, coaching. Again, players have so many coaches, for the team and privately. If they didn't have that then there is more scope for one coach to make a big difference. But they're all getting a lot of fine tuning these days.

FWIW I would put "verbal misunderstanding with previous GM" somewhere at the very very bottom. Basically I don't think it is what determining outcomes, however much we like to talk about it.
There will be deficiencies that can't be fixed in season, that kinda is what it is. What Evason can do is create a better in games and better habits outside of the actual game. We've had 2 coaches in a row where conditioning felt lacking in the team and it was so noticeable after a veteran team with a coach who would run you into the ground until you are up to the bar he set. I don't mind if Jiricek gets some extra time with this staff and I also don't mind if he's up and down a bit. I just want to see some of these players in a more offense friendly situation and see how they respond
 

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There will be deficiencies that can't be fixed in season, that kinda is what it is. What Evason can do is create a better in games and better habits outside of the actual game. We've had 2 coaches in a row where conditioning felt lacking in the team and it was so noticeable after a veteran team with a coach who would run you into the ground until you are up to the bar he set. I don't mind if Jiricek gets some extra time with this staff and I also don't mind if he's up and down a bit. I just want to see some of these players in a more offense friendly situation and see how they respond

I would like that as well but I expect to see us spending more time in our zone than is ideal for development.
 

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I'd really love to know how the club made this decision. I don't think Evason was in on it. It seems like Waddell and some of the holdovers decided this months ago, and I wonder how that conversation went.
"Okay I have an idea: let's keep him in Columbus, at least in the beginning, even if he doesn't look ready at the camp. It might be better to have our best coaches working with him everyday, watch more video and receive instant feedback from them. He would also get to spend more time at the gym since he won't be dressing for every game."

Something like that?
 

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I thought Waddell highlighted good skating as the single most important thing for a player on a hockey team? Disappointing that Jiricek has not made progress in that area then.
 

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I have to imagine with Guddy potentially missing a bit of time Jiricek is about to get some playing time? Yes JJ is still there but you have to imagine Jiricek will get some opportunities.
Or...maybe not. Based on the fact he didn't slide in when we are missing a RHD really has me concerned. I wasn't big on him when drafted and worried most about his skating. I'm interested to see if his attitude goes further south or if he takes this as motivation. He clearly has a skill set that could be a huge impact to this team. Just needs to pull it together. I'm a little more skeptical these days and not seeing him play last night was a little worrisome. Will be interesting to see how he and the club handle him moving forward. Personally, I think he's a trade candidate with still very high value.
 
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Or...maybe not. Based on the fact he didn't slide in when we are missing a RHD really has me concerned. I wasn't big on him when drafted and worried most about his skating. I'm interested to see if his attitude goes further south or if he takes this as motivation. He clearly has a skill set that could be a huge impact to this team. Just needs to pull it together. I'm a little more skeptical these days and not seeing him play last night was a little worrisome. Will be interesting to see how he and the club handle him moving forward. Personally, I think he's a trade candidate with still very high value.
Not opposed to him being a trade candidate but...

I'm working on the assumption that there has been a very clear plan communicated to the player and his representation, and that him remaining with the big club but not playing even in spot duty (thus far anyway) is part of that plan. I can assume there are coaching and strength and skill training things that are part of it too but again whatever it is, I'm assuming it's been clearly communicated and thus should not negatively impact his attitude.
 
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Not opposed to him being a trade candidate but...

I'm working on the assumption that there has been a very clear plan communicated to the player and his representation, and that him remaining with the big club but not playing even in spot duty (thus far anyway) is part of that plan. I can assume there are coaching and strength and skill training things that are part of it too but again whatever it is, I'm assuming it's been clearly communicated and thus should not negatively impact his attitude.
I don't disagree....just concerned. I would think a highly rated prospect, RHD, size, skill, draft pedigree... I would think he would be higher on the depth chart to at least get bottom pair minutes. Looks like he's going in Saturday, but just expressing concern. I'd really like him to be here long term and fill that top line role. I'm just increasingly more skeptical he's a long term piece based on the current tea leaves.
 

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I don't disagree....just concerned. I would think a highly rated prospect, RHD, size, skill, draft pedigree... I would think he would be higher on the depth chart to at least get bottom pair minutes. Looks like he's going in Saturday, but just expressing concern. I'd really like him to be here long term and fill that top line role. I'm just increasingly more skeptical he's a long term piece based on the current tea leaves.

I have some concerns but I'm trying to be chill about it.

Philip Broberg is an example of a top ten pick D-man who really seemed to disappoint. He wasn't even good enough to play as a #7D last year, until a decent showing in the playoffs. Then he was let go on an offer sheet to St. Louis. And now, this Fall, at age 23, he actually looks like a really good player.
 

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Honest question wtf are the Jackets doing with Jirecek? Hes not even playing at all how do they think this is good for his development sitting in a pressbox?
 

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You play to win the game, for $800, Alex.

No shit shirlock u play to win. But you also used a top 10 picks on the guy not long ago. Youd think atleast having him play big minutes in the AHL would be better than sitting a guy you presume is a big part of your future
 

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