Rumor: David Jiricek available

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You do know Byram was 2 years older when he got dealt, right?

Yes, of course. He was also an NHL regular who could skate like the wind, showed flashes of brilliance, and produced darn well with minimum PP time due to Makar and Toews.

I'm not being negative about Jiricek. For a year+ I've insisted the Jackets are mishandling him and are on the verge of ruining him. I like the kid a lot and think Columbus gave him mixed signals and botched the entire situation. But, I also believe they are not dealing from a position of strength and will move him for a decent return... yet far from amazing.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

It would not take Bonk, who's seen his prospect stock rise while Jiricek's has plateaued or declined.

Ah yes, the typical ripe old age of 20 is definitely when defensemens stocks decline or plateau.

 

[Shlep]

This reminds me of Avs fans thinking they would receive the world for Bowen Byram (who was a 4th overall pick and more proven and polished than Jiricek when he was dealt.) Yet they received Mittelstadt for him straight up.

Byram was two years older than Jiricek and his value was lowered because he was injury prone. And he still returned a young center with 47 points in 62 games.

 

[surixon]

It would not take Bonk, who's seen his prospect stock rise while Jiricek's has plateaued or declined.

This reminds me of Avs fans thinking they would receive the world for Bowen Byram (who was a 4th overall pick and more proven and polished than Jiricek when he was dealt.) Yet they received Mittelstadt for him straight up.

Jiricek has been frustrated and Waddell publicly stated that he hasn't shown enough to keep a job on the big club. The kid hasn't been able to crack the lineup of a team that is starved for talent -- not a great sign of his progression.

I don't think the return will be anything close to what some Jackets fans anticipate.

The Flyers offer of Ristolainen, Brink, and Columbus' 2nd in 2025 back is likely the best deal Columbus will get, considering Dreger said tonight that teams are trying to pry Ristolainen from the Flyers, and the Jackets could likely flip him for another 2nd and a decent prospect asap.

The Pens offered their best prospect for McGroarty who wasn't going to sign with the Jets.

If Wadell is smart he holds out for the value he wants. He has the player already signed and under team control. He can afford to let him get his game going in the AHL.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Ah yes, the typical ripe old age of 20 is definitely when defensemens stocks decline or plateau.

I think of Chara and what he was at this age. Similar concerns and did not have Jiricek's puck skills.

I would be very cautious about trading a prospect like this.

 

[Shlep]

The Pens offered their best prospect for McGroarty who wasn't going to sign with the Jets.

If Wadell is smart he holds out for the value he wants. He has the player already signed and under team control. He can afford to let him get his game going in the AHL.

It's weird that we have to go through this every time.

"They won't get full value because teams know he wants out"

That argument lasts exactly until there are two teams that want him. Value continues to go up so long as another team is willing to pay it.

 

[stevo61]

The Pens offered their best prospect for McGroarty who wasn't going to sign with the Jets.

If Wadell is smart he holds out for the value he wants. He has the player already signed and under team control. He can afford to let him get his game going in the AHL.

Or if he's really smart he finds a way to keep him. Whether that's pumping his tires to keep him going or being more of a hardass and reminding them that the team has the control and he'll have to improve his play to either make the big team or to boost his value enough so a trade comes through that benefits the CBJ.

The timing of all this is very poor, later in the season or probably even better yet the offseason would be the time for a deal to happen

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Or if he's really smart he finds a way to keep him. Whether that's pumping his tires to keep him going or being more of a hardass and reminding them that the team has the control and he'll have to improve his play to either make the big team or to boost his value enough so a trade comes through that benefits the CBJ.

The timing of all this is very poor, later in the season or probably even better yet the offseason would be the time for a deal to happen

The message should be the same as it is to Mateychuk really. Sharpen your game and dominate the A, come up when we dump some guys, go back down for a Monsters playoff run, and be ready for the NHL in 2025.

 

[stevo61]

The message should be the same as it is to Mateychuk really. Sharpen your game and dominate the A, come up when we dump some guys, go back down for a Monsters playoff run, and be ready for the NHL in 2025.

Provorov is probably the only one likely to go making a spot for anyone. Not sure if a team takes Johnson for a depth playoff guy or even Harris for that matter. Maybe someone looks at them as very cheap insurance policies or just as likely teams pass on them.

Fabbro could be the other interesting one with Provorov. If they can get him signed great, if not they probably look to move him too I guess

 

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Provorov is probably the only one likely to go making a spot for anyone. Not sure if a team takes Johnson for a depth playoff guy or even Harris for that matter. Maybe someone looks at them as very cheap insurance policies or just as likely teams pass on them.

Fabbro could be the other interesting one with Provorov. If they can get him signed great, if not they probably look to move him too I guess

The problem is, the Jackets keep plugging their D with journeymen and fringe NHLers. Last year it was Provorov and Severson. Then Johnson, Harris, Fabbro. Every time a slot opens, they fill it with a meh stopgap.

 

[stevo61]

The problem is, the Jackets keep plugging their D with journeymen and fringe NHLers. Last year it was Provorov and Severson. Then Johnson, Harris, Fabbro. Every time a slot opens, they fill it with a meh stopgap.

Well Fabbro would be longterm if he signs. Stopgaps like Harris and Johnson are... well exactly that. They can wipe their hands clean of them at the end of the year or if they really cared enough just waive them. If you are implying they should have left room for all the kids well that's just not smart.

 

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Well Fabbro would be longterm if he signs. Stopgaps like Harris and Johnson are... well exactly that. They can wipe their hands clean of them at the end of the year or if they really cared enough just waive them. If you are implying they should have left room for all the kids well that's just not smart.

In your opinion, it's not smart, and you're entitled to that opinion. Considering how this Jiricek situation is playing out... and many of us observers read the tea leaves for a year+ ... the Jackets handled this extremely foolish. At least it appears that way until we see the end result with David... either a hefty return or a mended fence and top-4 role sooner rather than later.

 

[stevo61]

In your opinion, it's not smart, and you're entitled to that opinion. Considering how this Jiricek situation is playing out... and many of us observers read the tea leaves for a year+ ... the Jackets handled this extremely foolish. At least it appears that way until we see the end result with David... either a hefty return or a mended fence and top-4 role sooner rather than later.

You get a top 4 spot when you earn it not based on draft position or how much you pout. What actually needs to happen is he and his agent need to recognize his blatant obvious flaws and know that they will take time to fix but are fixable.

He played over 14 minutes a night last year and never did take that next step yet. People were acting last year like he was losing development time getting yoyo'd a day he still played a combined 72 regular season games and 14 AHL playoff games. He and the team tried to work with him to see if he could get up to speed but he can't consistently handle Evason's heavy skating system yet so he got sent where he belongs.

What is your level of outrage over the other top D from that draft?

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

In your opinion, it's not smart, and you're entitled to that opinion. Considering how this Jiricek situation is playing out... and many of us observers read the tea leaves for a year+ ... the Jackets handled this extremely foolish. At least it appears that way until we see the end result with David... either a hefty return or a mended fence and top-4 role sooner rather than later.

I would say that the issue is more a matter of Kekäläinen not formulating his plan, if there ever was such a thing, clearly enough to Jiricek, opening for misunderstandings and unrealistic expectations. I hope that Waddell and Evason have clearly formulated a roadmap for Jiricek to the NHL for next year together with him. That is the sense I got from the press conference and I trust Waddell and Evason to be far more direct and clear in their communication than Kekäläinen was.

 

[TheNumber4]

Jiricek cried cause guys like Korchinski and Nemec were getting NHL minutes and he wasn’t.

Well, now both Korchinski and Nemec are in the AHL where they belong. And probably where Jiricek belongs. Maybe time to wipe those tears and get to work.

Saw this same story play out with Broberg. He demanded he was ready when he most obviously was not. He was sent to the AHL after a trade fiasco, he put his head down and went to work. Dominated the AHL and then the Oilers were confident he could step into the playoffs. And he did so admirably.

These f***tard agents should step back and maybe just let the NHL teams do what they do best. It’s not some conspiracy to keep your agent down. NHL teams want the same thing the agents want, for the player to succeed.

 

[stevo61]

Jiricek cried cause guys like Korchinski and Nemec were getting NHL minutes and he wasn’t.

Well, now both Korchinski and Nemec are in the AHL where they belong. And probably where Jiricek belongs. Maybe time to wipe those tears and get to work.

Saw this same story play out with Broberg. He demanded he was ready when he most obviously was not. He was sent to the AHL after a trade fiasco, he put his head down and went to work. Dominated the AHL and then the Oilers were confident he could step into the playoffs. And he did so admirably.

These f***tard agents should step back and maybe just let the NHL teams do what they do best. It’s not some conspiracy to keep your agent down. NHL teams want the same thing the agents want, for the player to succeed.

It's funny because they try and rush these guys into the league and more often then not damage the players early career earning potential. Yeah you get an NHL pay for a couple extra years but that 2nd deal is going to be a small bridge at most.

Like you say, it's obviously in Columbus' best interest for their former 6th overall 6'4" RHD to reach his potential

 

[TheNumber4]

It's funny because they try and rush these guys into the league and more often then not damage the players early career earning potential. Yeah you get an NHL pay for a couple extra years but that 2nd deal is going to be a small bridge at most.

Like you say, it's obviously in Columbus' best interest for their former 6th overall 6'4" RHD to reach his potential

Seen that story play out with Puljuujarvi too. Agent kept pushing for him to be in the NHL, to be on the f***in best PP the league has seen in years. He kept pushing him and he saw nothing but hip injuries and inconsistency in his game.

There’s no cheating the NHL. You’ll either be good enough or you won’t. Can’t force it.