Dave Stubbs calls PJ Stock a "sensational[ist], irresponsible" liar for PK comments

[Jmac1160*]

https://www.change.org/petitions/p-j-stock-to-resign-as-a-cbc-analyst-or-be-fired#share

 

[417]

See? People ask for "proof this, proof that", you support your arguments and because it doesn't go your way you discredit it. I'm done with you and will continue this conversation with others.

LMAO!!! i'm dying

How are HF Boards polls 'proof'???

LMAO!!! hilarious...

 

[Schwang]

New management dont strike me as the types who would keep a cancer type on the team. Not with what they are trying to build. Sure there are probably things about Pk some players dont like but i believe it gets hyped up in that city.

 

[Koss]

No way, that would backfire big time, remember last year when Burke went after the CBC for being "anti leafs".

Management shouldn't care what the media thinks, if there isn't an issue in the locker room, laugh it off, if there is, try to fix it.

That the exact way to handle things. The stories that the media want to play-up only have a 1-2 week lifespan. Next week it will be Ovechkin or Kessel. Just let it go and move on.

 

[shamrun]

Media wants to know why players dislike talking about PK, or Markov flat out refusing any questions regarding PK?

This is it. This right here.

PJ threw out any credibility he had by claiming hearsay as fact. Stubbs, with good intentions, turned this into a full blown story in the Gazette - with the center of attention being Subban talk. What do you guys think will be one of the big questions after practice - either today or tomorrow, depending on an off day?

Then the players will roll their eyes, shrug, sigh, whatever. Gorges will look frustrated, Markov will slap somebody and the very next day, headlines will read "Lockeroom hates Subban!"

It comes full circle. Always.

A good leader would tell the journalists to look at the teams record and to shove it.
But that's just me.

 

[OldCraig71]

CBC PJ Stock. Here's my take on it all, if the Habs traded PK to the Leafs, he would instantly be a superstar(in the eyes of the CBC) the talk would then shift to be about how hard it is to play in Montreal and how the Habs never gave PK the shot he deserved. CBC analysts are pro TO and Boston and anti Habs and they don't even hide it.

 

[Jerk Store*]

New management dont strike me as the types who would keep a cancer type on the team. Not with what they are trying to build. Sure there are probably things about Pk some players dont like but i believe it gets hyped up in that city.

Agreed. Wise move to stick to 2 year term and see how he progresses.

 

[417]

New management dont strike me as the types who would keep a cancer type on the team. Not with what they are trying to build. Sure there are probably things about Pk some players dont like but i believe it gets hyped up in that city.

New management has made it a priority to emphasize team this offseason...if PK Subban was the 'cancer' so many people want us to believe. Then he would of been moved.

 

[Dom08]

For those who have yet to see the video, here is the link to the CBC post game article. The Buf-Mtl game is there in its entirety including the between period segements.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/game/1289100/recap/

The video is located to the left at the beginning of the article. The Subban part begins at 56:19.

You cannot view this video on your iPhone/iPad. You need flash to view, and probably be in Canada.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Not at all. Maybe PK is a problem in the room.

Even if he is though:

1. His teammates should've handled this better.
2. PJ Stock's comments are still inaccurate and unprofessional.
3. PK DID actually take far less money than he could've made had he demanded a trade.
4. Stubbs is absolutely right in calling out Stock on his *********.

1. How? Other players got annoyed with the Avery's, Emery's and Carcillo's of the world. Blaming the rest of the locker room for one individual who is, in my opinion, the source of the problem, is doing like PK did and putting him before the team.
2. You don't know and I don't know if PJ's comments are inaccurate.
3. Would've resembled a free agent signing situation. We all know those are usually the best contracts awarded.
4. It's fine for Stubbs to call him out, however, there's no way to know wether he or Stock are right. My guess is the truth lies in the middle of what both are saying.

1. How? Very easily. "We're glad PK's back. I don't want to take anymore questions..."
2. Yeah we do. EVERY SINGLE GUY on the bench dislikes him? Give me a break.
3. Whatever man... he could've gotten more money elsewhere you know it, so does everyone.
4. There is no middle here though. Stock said everyone in the room hates Subban. No way that's right. Some guys don't like him? Maybe but Stubbs said as much.

Media wants to know why players dislike talking about PK, or Markov flat out refusing any questions regarding PK?

This is it. This right here.

PJ threw out any credibility he had by claiming hearsay as fact. Stubbs, with good intentions, turned this into a full blown story in the Gazette - with the center of attention being Subban talk. What do you guys think will be one of the big questions after practice - either today or tomorrow, depending on an off day?

Then the players will roll their eyes, shrug, sigh, whatever. Gorges will look frustrated, Markov will slap somebody and the very next day, headlines will read "Lockeroom hates Subban!"

It comes full circle. Always.

If the players don't want it to come full circle, they should be smart and put out this fire quickly.

A good leader would tell the journalists to look at the teams record and to shove it.
But that's just me.

I was surprised and disappointed in both Gorges and Markov. Both these guys created a story where there not need be one. Don't know if they like PK or not but their interviews were awkward and I expect more from the leadership group.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

People with an IQ above 90 still watch CBC sports coverage?

If you're entertained, why wouldn't you? Certainly no one with an IQ over 90 is forced to rely on a single source of entertainment for fact/information gathering, and certainly there isn't one magical production formula that will win the loyalty of 100% of any demographic across an entire genre of broadcasting. That you can't appreciate how CBC's sports production could be entertaining enough to choose over other options is somewhat surprising for someone who's apparently wise and experienced enough to condescend to this degree.

Back on topic, PJ Stock is a clown. I'll just leave that there for now.

I have no doubt that there are players upset about how the PK incident played out. I'd expect any competitive member of a team sport to be disappointed in having to head out on any given night without every one of your top weapons on hand. I'd like to know exactly what was said to PJ, and therefore how he interpreted it (and perhaps extrapolated from it). Do they really not care for how PK carries/handles himself, are they upset with the situation or how it played out, or what? Did they resent having to deal with the sideshow it created, or the feeling of being defensive in the media when probed about it? Am I to really believe that any of the above has created a rift that someone with the skill and charisma of PK can't have bridged already? And obviously, there's the chance that PJ is just plain making it up, or interpreting what he might have heard in a way that makes sense to, well, him.

If anyone really did share with PJ their dislike of him as a person, or even professional, I agree with those saying earlier that either the leadership group hasn't set everyone straight on how things are dealt with in a dressing room, or this better be the chance they take to have it. I also agree with one of those same posters, though, who offered that it might actually say something about the player(s), too, who shared something like this with PJ (if even true). The certainly can't have any issue with his preparation, dedication, and performance, and I'd think those would be of far more importance to a competitive-natured teammate. It's also hard to imagine a true professional sharing anything of this nature with someone like Stock.

When it comes down to it, my experience regarding PJ Stock tells me that it's safer to assume he's trying to use a dab of truth to paint a whole arena in the name of whatever it is he's described as doing on HNIC, and it's possible he's just doing some interpretive reporting.

 

[habdynasty]

CBC PJ Stock. Here's my take on it all, if the Habs traded PK to the Leafs, he would instantly be a superstar(in the eyes of the CBC) the talk would then shift to be about how hard it is to play in Montreal and how the Habs never gave PK the shot he deserved. CBC analysts are pro TO and Boston and anti Habs and they don't even hide it.

This, and it's been like this for years. Toronto can't stand that the habs have great young players.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Any chance the PK saga gets covered by 24ch?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Stock is an idiot. Stubbs is right. P.K is fine. CBC is the dramaqueen of Habs hockey. Bring on the Bruins.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Any chance the PK saga gets covered by 24ch?

Well, since I believe production is ongoing, it should fit within the timeline (production preceded Bergevin being named as GM, so...). Thing is, the organization watches the episodes before release, and they have the right to remove anything that they want. We'll see how much of those rights they used, but the VP of RDS seemed pretty excited about the access they had.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

So much failure in one post. And this will be the last time I adress you because I can't provide the special care you require:

1. Where did I say I would take Doughty over Karlsson?
2. You're entitled to you opinion, but chose to ignore the overwhelming favourable results for Benn.
3. When did I take back the argument of the poll? Point stands.
4. I agree that he's a number 2 defenseman. That can mean anything from 2nd to 60th best dman in the league. I feel he's paid appropriately, perhaps a little underpaid, as I stated earlier in the thread.

If you will take offense to my opinion, go ahead and cry me a river. To consider it trolling is just absurd. Sorry if us not agreeing has caused you so much butthurt. Now, have a nice day.

Speaking of failure.

1) The point was HF boards said it, so clearly he's better and you're a homer if you disagree.(isn't this how it works?)
2) Right after you admit Doughty is better or equal. In reality, we both know karlsson is significantly better and that Benn and Subban should've been closer. I still think Benn wins, but I think that poll is terrible representation of the truth.
3) So again, waiting for you to admit Doughty is the better d-man.
4) The one thing we agree on is his rank as a d-man. I don't think very good #2s with potential usually get 2.8 mil. Be reasonable.

How am I butthurt if you can't prove anything and have failed to even stay grounded on your own opinions? I don't think it's crazy for me to say Benn would win but the poll should be closer to equal. I don't think it's crazy for me to say subban getting 2.8 per is underpaid. That being said, I too am happy bergevin did what he did but it doesn't mean it was fair pay. It's underpaid, clearly.

If you seriously think I blow a fuse over this stuff think again. I have zero people on my ignore list because I enjoy discussing. So my tears may be delicious but you're likely never to find out.

 

[HABsurde]

So Jerk store is PJ Stock...

 

[Pierre Dagenais]

Jerk Store is in every Subban/Habs thread. He has an obvious hate for Subban and anything Habs related.

 

[Whitesnake]

The end result is that PK is clearly not the most popular figure in the dressing room. Not everybody likes him or his personnality. But you can't use a routine coming at the arena to proove your point and try to make some sensationalism around it. As if PJ was adored by all. As if TONS of other players are adored by all.

All we have to care about is that he is not alienating people so that it will change the team's spirit. We also have to care enough that we have the leadership needed to fix whatever problems we may have in that regard, whether it's PK or anybody else. And all we have to care is if we're a better team with everybody in the lineup despite their "persona". The fact that some might not like him...who the **** cares....

It is just a question of mentality. You watch soccer and you continuously hear and see teamates yelling at each other, the goalie giving them **** all the time and so on. If that would be happening here with the Habs, you'd have PJ Stock and "Le Journal de Montréal" with some "The chaos lives here" titles running around....

No doubt that you wish the best spirit possible. But you also want the BEST team possible.

 

[Agnostic]

The end result is that PK is clearly not the most popular figure in the dressing room. Not everybody likes him or his personnality. But you can't use a routine coming at the arena to proove your point and try to make some sensationalism around it. As if PJ was adored by all. As if TONS of other players are adored by all.

All we have to care about is that he is not alienating people so that it will change the team's spirit. We also have to care enough that we have the leadership needed to fix whatever problems we may have in that regard, whether it's PK or anybody else. And all we have to care is if we're a better team with everybody in the lineup despite their "persona". The fact that some might not like him...who the **** cares....

It is just a question of mentality. You watch soccer and you continuously hear and see teamates yelling at each other, the goalie giving them **** all the time and so on. If that would be happening here with the Habs, you'd have PJ Stock and "Le Journal de Montréal" with some "The chaos lives here" titles running around....

No doubt that you wish the best spirit possible. But you also want the BEST team possible.

This. I'd be curious how many times in history 23 people in any setting (work, party, sports team, whatever) genuinely liked, respected, and worked well with all the others in the group.

It would be a first.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

The end result is that PK is clearly not the most popular figure in the dressing room. Not everybody likes him or his personnality. But you can't use a routine coming at the arena to proove your point and try to make some sensationalism around it. As if PJ was adored by all. As if TONS of other players are adored by all.

All we have to care about is that he is not alienating people so that it will change the team's spirit. We also have to care enough that we have the leadership needed to fix whatever problems we may have in that regard, whether it's PK or anybody else. And all we have to care is if we're a better team with everybody in the lineup despite their "persona". The fact that some might not like him...who the **** cares....

It is just a question of mentality. You watch soccer and you continuously hear and see teamates yelling at each other, the goalie giving them **** all the time and so on. If that would be happening here with the Habs, you'd have PJ Stock and "Le Journal de Montréal" with some "The chaos lives here" titles running around....

No doubt that you wish the best spirit possible. But you also want the BEST team possible.

You make good points, I would like to add to it.

Like you said Subban might not be loved by his teammates, but I think it has a lot to do with the off ice hold out. As a team, you expect everyone there the first day, and the fact that Subban wasn't it made some of the guys angry. But like most human beings, you understand life happens and the Habs players are no different. Sure that guys like Cole and Georges didn't love the Subban situation, but now that he is back, I truly can't fathom that they hate Subban. We heard that Josh invited PK to his superbowl party, with Georges leadership, I am sure it was to mend fences and tell him the truth that he was angry with him, but it's water under the bridge.

As a fan, Subban bothered me a bit with the hold out, but I understood why he did it. If he was my teammate I would welcome him back but at the same time I would tell him how I felt in private, since I would be his elder

Stock was probably right at the moment where Subban wasn't in the room. I'm sure there was animosity towards Subban. Now that it's over, the guys in the room are probably forgiving and letting it fall into what is now history. Subban does have an attitude about him, however he does seem calmer and letting things fall into place. Having a player like him be cocky can be beneficial, it will all fall into place again.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

IMO - if there are issues in the room with PK - IMO it would have NOTHING to do with his contract status, and more to do with his personality.

Every NHL player understands this is a business, and pretty much all of them had been though negotiation process before. I'm sure they understand the situation that PK was in, and the fact that he was trying to get a long term deal. It's not like the Habs players are playing for free, and PK was the only guy who was trying to get paid. I'm sure they wanted him signed ASAP to help them ice a better team, but they understand the business aspect of it as well.

 

[Habsawce]

Everyone in the room loved Scott Gomez, look how that worked out for him.

Also, I'm not sure what's worse; what PJ Stock had to say or the fact that there are actually people out there that believed him. I guess some just don't have a critical thinking bone in their body.

 

[TRG]

The amount of media hacks surrounding or giving opinions about this team is amazing.

 

[coolasprICE]

Guys PJ is a good guy, the man has a family simply trying to make a living. So he ****ed-up big deal. If he was some super rich retired player ya why not but for all we know he's got no more money than the average joe.

Just look at him from an entertainment angle or a human perspective and not get all sensitive like little chicks. PK Subban is going to do just fine in life with or without PJ Stock.

If he gets canned for this how would the media/you guys feel? There's bigger issues in the world , this is just soap opera drama to feed the metrosexual in all of us.