Value of: Darnell Nurse

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Hypothetical scenario: Oilers miss the playoffs, Holland is fired and a new GM decides to put Nurse on the block before his NMC kicks in.

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[inthewings]

Oilers would have to retain to get anything meaningful back.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Oilers would have to retain to get anything meaningful back.

There will be no discussion on retention.

 

[Andre Palot]

I'll bite.

What's the ask? An A prospect and a pick or thereabouts?

 

[Gruyeriev]

There will be no discussion on retention.

But how much are the oilers willing to retain?

 

[McSuper]

But how much are the oilers willing to retain?

I don't think anything . Nurse should be paid about 1.5 million less . 7.75 is a fair number for Nurse . If the Oiler were to move him at his cap hit the return will be less or they will have to take back a cap dump at about 12 million to get good value .

 

[Heldig]

I don't think anything . Nurse should be paid about 1.5 million less . 7.75 is a fair number for Nurse . If the Oiler were to move him at his cap hit the return will be less or they will have to take back a cap dump at about 12 million to get good value .

That contract is a cap killer.

When the contract kicks in he will have the 27th overall cap hit, 7th highest among D. 4th highest overall salary.

Cant see any team making a hockey trade for him. That contract is just too much $$$.

 

[McShogun99]

That contract is a cap killer.

When the contract kicks in he will have the 27th overall cap hit, 7th highest among D. 4th highest overall salary.

Cant see any team making a hockey trade for him. That contract is just too much $$$.

He should have been paid 7.5-8 on his next contract but I think in the next few seasons we will see a lot of good Dmen signing in the 9 million range.

 

[FameFlame069]

Nurse-Doughty

 

[bsu]

No team would ever trade for that contract. Ever.

 

[DamonDRW]

His contract didn't start yet and we already have threads like this. What a materpiece by Kenny here!

 

[StlBill]

Definitely an albatross for an albatross type of trade here. The guy is a decent player, but 6.5 mil annually is proper contract amount. He’s being paid like Heiskonen & Makar, who are miles ahead of him.

 

[bsu]

He is not better than Cam Fowler, and I am not a huge Cam Fowler fan (ask the Ducks board) and Nurse makes about 3 million dollars more....Nurse should pay Drai/McDavid 3 million dollars a year...and his agent an extra million a year for pulling that deal out.

Definitely an albatross for an albatross type of trade here. The guy is a decent player, but 6.5 mil annually is proper contract amount. He’s being paid like Heiskonen & Makar, who are miles ahead of him.

100% this.

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

He is not better than Cam Fowler, and I am not a huge Cam Fowler fan (ask the Ducks board) and Nurse makes about 3 million dollars more....Nurse should pay Drai/McDavid 3 million dollars a year...and his agent an extra million a year for pulling that deal out.

Some of those kickbacks would have to go NJ and Chicago for overpaying other D men on the UFA market.

 

[Irie]

If, hypothetically, Nurse hadn't signed that contract and was a UFA, and the rules allowed 8 year contracts, and his ask was 8 years at 9.25, I would hope my team would not sign him..

Honestly I would rather have that cap space than Nurse for 8 years at that price, so I think to a lot of teams in the league, he probably has very little value.

That doesn't mean that there isn't one GM out there that wouldn't give up a substantial package, but it might be a tough sell.

 

[centipede2233]

I think the COVID and flat capish or minimal cap raise for the next few yrs makes nurse untradable. Pre COVID if he was at 9.25 mil caphit, they could get value as teams know the cap goes up 3-4 million every year.

 

[Frenzy31]

Why would the Oilers miss the playoffs? Division isn't strong and they have been pretty decent this year.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Who the hell gave nurse that kind of money lol

oilers gunna oil

 

[bernmeister]

Hypothetical scenario: Oilers miss the playoffs, Holland is fired and a new GM decides to put Nurse on the block before his NMC kicks in.

reasonable hypothetical for discussion

Oilers would have to retain to get anything meaningful back.

reasonable expectation

There will be no discussion on retention.

possible, but extremely difficult to do w'o retention
and
going there will necessitate one or more undesirable pieces
more than w/retaining

That contract is a cap killer.

When the contract kicks in he will have the 27th overall cap hit, 7th highest among D. 4th highest overall salary.

Cant see any team making a hockey trade for him. That contract is just too much $$$.

contract IS too much

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

He’s a $6.5-$7m player in my eyes… $7.5m if you stretch it so at his contract I’m not giving up much of anything.

Others may disagree and that’s fine but not bending over backwards for the pleasure on this one.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Don't necessarily hate the player but hate that contract.
McDavid left money on the table to give his team some cap flexibility, everyone else has taken more than they are worth, Nurse took way more.

 

[Drake1588]

He's a very good player that I'd have qualms paying $8M for an AAV. At his looming $9.25M price tag, I think the interest will be tepid in the time frame specified. Give him that first year to prove that he's worth the contract and maybe interest builds. Right now, I don't see it.

Granted, the NMC will then be in effect. He's set to control his destiny for the first five years of the deal, before the ironclad NMC becomes a modified NTC for the last three years. Yet the time frame under which the Oilers would need to make this hypothetical decision doesn't align well with the time frame of other GMs -- and their likely receptivity to acquiring him. The perception that he's about to be overpaid, and the flat growth in the cap due to Covid, is going to have a chilling effect on the trade market for big contracts around the league.

There's no indication that the Oilers want to move him, of course. Yet I doubt they'd find it easy if they did want to course correct at this stage.

 

[HolyGhost]

His contract becomes one of the worst in the NHL when it kicks in next season. And with his play this year? HE is a 3-4 d-man paid 1-2 money. So to get anything for him oilers will need to retain 50% and they will get maybe a late 1st and a B prospect

 

[McSuper]

That contract is a cap killer.

When the contract kicks in he will have the 27th overall cap hit, 7th highest among D. 4th highest overall salary.

Cant see any team making a hockey trade for him. That contract is just too much $$$.

Thats why I said they would have to take back 1.5 millions x 8 or 12,000,000 over a shorter time period . Nurse is worth 7.75 in todays economics

His contract becomes one of the worst in the NHL when it kicks in next season. And with his play this year? HE is a 3-4 d-man paid 1-2 money. So to get anything for him oilers will need to retain 50% and they will get maybe a late 1st and a B prospect

Bullshit . You can not sign a player of Nurse's caliber for 4.625 M a year .

 

[seafoam]

Varlamov + Bailey