Post-Game Talk: Dallas Does Skinner

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

NHL Goalie Advanced Stats 2024-2025

Bottom of the list in both regular and playoffs this season.
Of course, a lot of blame lies with the dumb ass management on refusing to look for an upgrade in net.
That being said, Stu's shit even with his b2b shutouts against VGK. Can he redeem himself in G2 on Friday? I sure f***ing hope so.

He doesn’t start playing well until Game 4. Hopefully we’re not 0-3 by then.

 

[McAsuno]

Imagine allowing a goalie that terrible in the postseason to make it to 40 GAMES for your franchise?

Think about that...not one franchise that has been good enough to have the same goaltender play 40 postseason games had a single goalie that bad in their net. These stats are from the 80s, all of these guys were good for their era. Can you imagine how much worse Stu's stats would look when adjusted?

It isn't hyperbole anymore to say that McDrai have at least one Stanley Cup with a better goalie than Stu last postseason or the postseason before. Pickard was proving exactly that...

Like I said pages ago, its amusing that the Oilers proceed to look poor defensively more so when Stuart plays awful in net. But yet they were so good defensively when Stuart had b2b shutouts against VGK. I wonder why? Clearly the last guy to hold the fort matters to the team's overall play.

I truly hope he bounces back for G2. Oilers can exploit Dallas weak 5on5 and reliance on the powerplay along with their goals that were very similar on Oettinger aka shooting far side.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Officiating will always be shit, I don't see the point of complaining about it anymore. It's been a league wide problem that gets worse and worse year after year. The league won't do anything about it. Anything to help generate their betting ads and revenues.

But hey, Wes McCauley will get his yearly main spotlight with his mic.
Nothing new with this league.

Na I don't see it that way. I've spent far too much time and far too much money to accept "oh this is just the way it is".

We shouldn't accept it as fans.

A friend of mine actually works with FanDuel and they're screaming at the NHL over their officiating. He said last year they lost 10 million due to what they considered to be "league malfeasance" and are currently looking for relief through their insurance company.

 

[Drivesaitl]

So as someone who started this season defending Skinner and ended the year shitting on him, these are my observations:

• Skinner's lack of puck tracking ability is frightening when he is off. He lacks basically, any awareness of where the play is heading and as a result has to scramble, often.
• Skinner's mobility is lackluster which makes him (as a big goalie) look like Optimus Prime in there. It hurts him on the PK a lot and on basically any cross-crease chance. When he's good, his positioning makes up for a lot of his mobility.
• Skinner's basics seem to go out the window when he struggles. Positioning, movement, anticipation, puck handling, awareness, all gone.
• When Skinner plays bad it affects the team. We've seen this countless times. They don't believe in him. They shouldn't let it affect their play but it does.
• When Skinner is good he's quiet. Uneventful. He's a very positionally sound goalie so when he's feeling it the puck sticks to him like velcro. As soon as you see him popping rebounds out it's trouble.
• Skinner's absolute top end, the best he can be, is actually very good. Not MVP or AS level but similar to what prime Binnington or Osgood could provide which is a measure better than the top end of Pickard. However, his bad games are not even passable at an ECHL level.

WE have one or two cups already with Binnington and working on a third. There is little if any comparison. Binnington more competitive, quicker, does everything better, better mobility. I wouldn't even use his name in this post.

Osgood was much better. There is no contending or SC team in this era that have relied on a goalie as bad as Stuart Skinner. not one.

 

[McAsuno]

He doesn’t start playing well until Game 4. Hopefully we’re not 0-3 by then.

Rather tiresome we always have to wait for late game on Stu to wake up from his slumber.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

It's not a #DAWG analysis lol. I'm just comparing skills and play apples to apples. Binnington plays actually very similar to Skinner. His inconsistencies and issues are actually relatively close.

The difference is Binnington has the dawg in him that allows him to elevate in big moments. Skinner doesn't have that. His play doesn't change regardless of situation. Which is probably due to his own mental way of dealing with things.

What do I mean by that? Well, he's a guy that attempts to stay focused through staying loose. So his whole mental prep is basically to treat each game no different than a practice or any other event on ice. It's actually a pretty successful technique for some guys, MAF and Vasy being the guys that perfected it. But what that means is mentally, he's approaching each game the same, which works well if you're good. Less if you're not.

Skinner has no fight in his game at all. He doesn’t fight through screens, he doesn’t fight for position, he doesn’t fight to rapidly move laterally, he doesn’t fight for rebounds. A garbage can would make a better goalie than him in Games 1 thru 3.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Na I don't see it that way. I've spent far too much time and far too much money to accept "oh this is just the way it is".

We shouldn't accept it as fans.

A friend of mine actually works with FanDuel and they're screaming at the NHL over their officiating. He said last year they lost 10 million due to what they considered to be "league malfeasance" and are currently looking for relief through their insurance company.

We don't influence anything. The NHL is what it is and has been this for as long as can be remembered. What we think doesn't matter. I've even stopped ever going to games for the many problems I have with the product. I'll watch on TV because I love hockey and love the Oilers. But the NHL is shit. It won't change.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Once again, its not Stu's fault.

Holy f***. Every new stat about Stu only confirms that what I used to think was hyperbole is actually reality...

 

[McAsuno]

Na I don't see it that way. I've spent far too much time and far too much money to accept "oh this is just the way it is".

We shouldn't accept it as fans.

A friend of mine actually works with FanDuel and they're screaming at the NHL over their officiating. He said last year they lost 10 million due to what they considered to be "league malfeasance" and are currently looking for relief through their insurance company.

Of course we shouldn't, but the league doesn't give a shit lol.
Look at bitch ass goblin Bettman a month ago saying he has no issues with the officials and think they're doing the best in all of pro sports level of officiating in the world. The league won't do anything to change it. The only big thing they did was cut Tim Peel loose after he got caught on hot mic. Other than that, nothing.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

WE have one or two cups already with Binnington and working on a third. There is little if any comparison. Binnington more competitive, quicker, does everything better, better mobility. I wouldn't even use his name in this post.

Osgood was much better. There is no contending or SC team in this era that have relied on a goalie as bad as Stuart Skinner. not one.

I think you're missing the point. The Binnington and Osgood comparisions only come about when talking about Skinner's best. The peak. The top. Which if you look how they play is similar.

They:

• Lack mobility
• Rely on Positioning
• Succeed with Good Defence
• Inconsistent as hell

 

[Drivesaitl]

Rather tiresome we always have to wait for late game on Stu to wake up from his slumber.

Did you catch the eye rolling and blinking thing again that was going on everytime camera focused on him between plays? Strikes me as somebody trying to dial himself up or something. Like he spent time under the covers till 4am playing MarioKart and trying to stay awake. WTF he doing?

Everytime he does that I figure he's an idiot with eyes rolling around in his head like some warped cartoon. If soembody did that on a subway you'd get off and catch another train.

 

[UHHHH SON]

Imagine allowing a goalie that terrible in the postseason to make it to 40 GAMES for your franchise?

Think about that...not one franchise that has been good enough to have the same goaltender play 40 postseason games had a single goalie that bad in their net. These stats are from the 80s, all of these guys were good for their era. Can you imagine how much worse Stu's stats would look when adjusted?

It isn't hyperbole anymore to say that McDrai have at least one Stanley Cup with a better goalie than Stu last postseason or the postseason before. Pickard was proving exactly that...

Skinner stans, need to read the first two paragraphs and then stfu.

 

[MoontoScott]

Rather tiresome we always have to wait for late game on Stu to wake up from his slumber.

It is what it is.

Play almost flawless hockey in front of Stu or go home. They know this and will respond.

Your take a homely girl to the dance but you hope your Jagger like moves on the floor will divert the rest of the guys from looking at her.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think you're missing the point. The Binnington and Osgood comparisions only come about when talking about Skinner's best. The peak. The top. Which if you look how they play is similar.

They:

• Lack mobility
• Rely on Positioning
• Succeed with Good Defence
• Inconsistent as hell

I'm not following you. Binnington doesn't lack mobility and also uses his size effectively unlike Skinner. I'm not understanding, maybe its me.

But also of mention Skinner has a Wagon team in front of him. Most starting goalies would be winning cups with the Oilers team.

 

[McAsuno]

Did you catch the eye rolling and blinking thing again that was going on everytime camera focused on him between plays? Strikes me as somebody trying to dial himself up or something. Like he spent time under the covers till 4am playing MarioKart and trying to stay awake. WTF he doing?

Everytime he does that I figure he's an idiot with eyes rolling around in his head like some warped cartoon. If soembody did that on a subway you'd get off and catch another train.

I don't give a shit about any of his routines whether its slamming the net before the puck gets dropped, whipping his long hair back before putting on his helmet, or even bopping to the music.

For me, its simply just do your f***ing job in net, stop the puck as much as you can, and be better than the opposing enemy goalie that's on the other side of the rink.

If Stu can't handle that like Mitch Marner playing poorly during the playoffs in Toronto, he can simply gtfo.

 

[McAsuno]

It is what it is.

Play almost flawless hockey in front of Stu or go home. They know this and will respond.

Your take a homely girl to the dance but you hope your Jagger like moves on the floor will divert the rest of the guys from looking at her.

I can count on the team to respond.
Stu? Questionable.
But like you said, it is what it is with 74.
I long for the day where we have a good goalie and by then, hopefully the 74 defensive brigade will realize how out of touch with reality they got with the way they kissed 74's boots and deflected blame elsewhere from losses.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don't give a shit about any of his routines whether its slamming the net before the puck gets dropped, whipping his long hair back before putting on his helmet, or even bopping to the music.

For me, its simply just do your f***ing job in net, stop the puck as much as you can, and be better than the opposing enemy goalie that's on the other side of the rink.

If Stu can't handle that like Mitch Marner playing poorly during the playoffs in Toronto, he can simply gtfo.

It just freaks me out a little. heh.

I just placed it. Its like the Monty Python animation characters with dummies with eyes rolling around in their head.

Skinner therapy:

 

[OfCorsiDid]

I'm not following you. Binnington doesn't lack mobility and also uses his size effectively unlike Skinner. I'm not understanding, maybe its me.

But also of mention Skinner has a Wagon team in front of him. Most starting goalies would be winning cups with the Oilers team.

Binner's cross crease movement is slower than most NHL starters. Skinner is slower, but when plays well can match that. Also I think Binnington is getting gassed up a bit too much by everyone here. He's not that good. Yeah he had a great final game to the 4Nations but I feel like we're letting that dictate the narrative a bit. There's 9 or 10 starters who I'd easily put ahead of him. He did only put up a .900 this year which may be a revelation for us but is pedestrian to the other 15 teams that played in the playoffs this year.

Second part could not be more accurate. You swap Skinner with Binnington, Saros, Vejmelka, Sorokin, Shesterkin, Hellebuyck, whatever; you're looking at at least one cup already.

 

[MikeS24]

Imagine skinner played in Toronto as a hometown boy like Marner

He would have to terminate his contract on his own

They again, no matter how much Toronto chokes, even they have tried improving goaltending.

The media would eat him alive. Kind of like Matheson telling kosko fans want a new goalie

Now they all glaze this guys schlong in Edmonton

Cowards. How did they crap on kosko so much? Can somebody say double standards

 

[McAsuno]

It just freaks me out a little. heh.

I just placed it. Its like the Monty Python animation characters with dummies with eyes rolling around in their head.

Skinner therapy:

Maybe he learns it from his podcasts or book reading.
Stu's a nice guy off the ice, but my god, I'd kill for him to even have a quarter of fire in his belly like Mike Smith did. I can always remember Smitty giving any player on the Oilers a glare if he gets scored on or proceed to snarl and fight back when opponents get into his grills.

That being said, I hope he bounces back in G2 and the Oilers win.

 

[McAsuno]

Imagine skinner played in Toronto as a hometown boy like Marner

He would have to terminate his contract on his own

They again, no matter how much Toronto chokes, even they have tried improving goaltending.

The media would eat him alive. Kind of like Matheson telling kosko fans want a new goalie

Now they all glaze this guys schlong in Edmonton

Cowards. How did they crap on kosko so much? Can somebody say double standards

Yeah, I find it rather comical how much of a longer leash Stu has over Koskinen and Koskinen played with a much more inferior Oilers organization.

Never seen bitch ass Matheson do the bolded with Stu. The old fart continues to defend his ass like every other Oilers media member to this day.
Maybe if Skinner was European and was named Stukko Skinneninen would they ever have said anything.

 

[UHHHH SON]

Imagine skinner played in Toronto as a hometown boy like Marner

He would have to terminate his contract on his own

They again, no matter how much Toronto chokes, even they have tried improving goaltending.

The media would eat him alive. Kind of like Matheson telling kosko fans want a new goalie

Now they all glaze this guys schlong in Edmonton

Cowards. How did they crap on kosko so much? Can somebody say double standards

Screw the media, most of them prefer us to lose. They get more reactions and clicks “It’s good for the brand”

Clearly there are a lot of Stu supporters who flock to their bullshit posts. They think our hometown boys feeling are more important than the rest of the team.

Continued references to “team” for failures but when we win it is “Stu”

 

[McFlyingV]

Because your players f*****d up? All of those were clear penalties and line was same to both teams. EDM just sucked on PP and PK.

To be fair they missed an almost identical "high stick" to Perry's (more like a cross check) in the neutral zone on Dallas less than a minute before they called the one on Duchene. But you're right Skinner gifted Dallas 2 powerplay goals, and Granlund has a nice snipe. Edmonton needs to be more disciplined, but refs can't miss a call if they're going to call all of those (Kulak's hook was questionable at best for the 3-2 goal).

 

[MikeS24]

Stuart Skinner saying he needs to “work on his competitiveness”

This is how he talks in late May.

Holy f***

*from Stoney on twitter lol