Post-Game Talk: Dallas 3 - Winnipeg 1

[wraithsonwings]

3-6 in the last nine won’t get it done

This stat is everywhere right now and it's driving me crazy. Why is no one using our record in the last 10 games played? Is it because this one makes us look worse?

 

[GNP]

What the Jets are doing is predictable and this is the pattern we have seen before. They are a team that gets lucky with a hot streak now and then that is only good enough to tantalize before they go into full regression and reel off a string of bad losses. They are chronic pretenders not contenders and look good as long as teams think they are easy, but as soon as teams view them as a legit threat and prepare seriously for them they fold like a cheap suit. Why is this? I think they have some key players who just consistently do not perform well under pressure. Ehlers and Connor are the two prime examples of this. Whenever you need either of those players to steps up when the chips are down they disappear. Talented yes, but just not mentally or physically tough. Neither of them would get past the third line on a money team like Vegas. Every time this team tanks on an extended losing jag, those two lines led by Ehlers and Connor completely disappear. For the Dallas game after the 2nd intermission I predicted that Jets would give up the go ahead goal with less than 7 min left, and right on cue they did not disappoint. This has become the modus operandi for this team over the last 7 years so much so that it is almost guaranteed to predict when they will cave. Jets need a big shake up such as trading Connor otherwise this will just rinse and repeat until their competitive window closes.

As much as I don't like the contents of this post, it is all very true of the Jets. Ehlers and Connor are lightweights that don't show up, against the big heavy teams.( especially Connor) Vegas is a good example of a team that has a lot of those upper middle players that always show up to play. It may be time for the Jets to make a big trade, and change the character of this team. Over the last 4 games, Connor has been basically invisible for the Jets - total non factor.

 

[razorsedge]

This stat is everywhere right now and it's driving me crazy. Why is no one using our record in the last 10 games played? Is it because this one makes us look worse?

Its the first loss after a win streak.

 

[wraithsonwings]

Go on.

What about the other 25 teams? I guess that doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[wraithsonwings]

Not tall enough

Is that a "lower body injury" as in his body is lower than Stanley's?

 

[wraithsonwings]

Why do some people pretend that the jets are taking an ox wagon across the country like the Oregon Trail? They're flying in chartered jets in high end comfort.

Jet lag is still jet lag. Doesn't matter how you flew.

 

[PaulPooley]

Connor and Ehlers each scored overtime winners in the Jets sweep of the Oilers a few years ago. But I suppose they do have a tendency to disappear offensively for stretches.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Sit Scheif, move Kup up and dress who? Lambert?
Chibs?
Scheif is still miles better than any replacement.

I just think he may need to rest an injury. He isn’t even taking faceoffs. I would put Chiba on the fourth line.

I know it’s a crazy thought, but Kupari looks like he may have much more to offer. Probably our best faceoff guy right now.

 

[John Agar]

I'm the middle sister, the underachiever. My older sister by 4 years got her degree, bravely overcoming all obstacles from being deaf, went off to Europe for a year, bravely overcame the difference between ASL and USL, came back and completed law school, bravely winning gold medals and getting married. She now gets featured in magazines about how bravely she practices law while being deaf.

I got my degree, booked my year in Europe, then everything got shut down by Covic. Sat on my bum for a year, then followed a BF to Manitoba to complete an M.A. Now my baby sister by 3 years has graduated, gotten into law school and gotten engaged. And I'm going back to Van to listen to my mother, in her most tragic PhD voice, sigh about what a shame it is that I'm teaching at a community college.

What I'm excited about ----------- never mind, I should hit erase here instead of send.

Thanks for sharing In'...

My Father was near genius as far as I could tell... photographic memory... driven... helped pioneer techniques that revolutionized his field of study and work that are now recognized globally... my Oldest sister was a God medalist at her original University... very driven... went back again after the World bit her idealism in the butt to refocus her career... My Brother who is my best living friend was highly successful right out of the gate through University... and now is one of the top two executives in North America representing a Global Company...

How does this fit in with Me...? Different path... just like you... it's been a journey that has made me successful in everything I have done... I have made a lot of money for other people... I have helped a lot of persons who have worked for me succeeed (which is what I am most proud of)... and to this day I help many people day to day with their businesses... help them beyond business and when asked for, help them personally and their families...

No fancy degrees... not my parents favored path... but I have over 3000 business contacts in my Contacts List... my Lady and I have had a wonderful life together and will continue to as we work on our health together... my adult children have their own lives as they should, imperfect as they can be...

Enjoy the journey... and work on yourself for yourself and your vision... the right people and possibly a most significant person should come around... there is someone for everyone.... don't worry what others think... just do... because the wrong people will write your script regardless... feel free to shed these types quickly with no guilt...

And everyone was screwed over by the Covid years... and will be for years to come... you are not alone...

Never have regret for your choices and actions if you've tried to do positive things...

My Father always said to me after I screwed up (and I admitted it) "if you're not making mistakes... you're not doing anything"...

Sorry for the solilique...but it sounded like I needed to do something positive for you...

 

[GeorgeJETson]

I'm the middle sister, the underachiever. My older sister by 4 years got her degree, bravely overcoming all obstacles from being deaf, went off to Europe for a year, bravely overcame the difference between ASL and USL, came back and completed law school, bravely winning gold medals and getting married. She now gets featured in magazines about how bravely she practices law while being deaf.

I got my degree, booked my year in Europe, then everything got shut down by Covic. Sat on my bum for a year, then followed a BF to Manitoba to complete an M.A. Now my baby sister by 3 years has graduated, gotten into law school and gotten engaged. And I'm going back to Van to listen to my mother, in her most tragic PhD voice, sigh about what a shame it is that I'm teaching at a community college.

What I'm excited about ----------- never mind, I should hit erase here instead of send.

Oh, now I'm *very* intrigued about what you *didn't* write

But that's okay, you can keep your secrets.

EDIT: I pondered whether to say this or not, decided to just say it anyway.

You don't need to compare yourself to anyone else. Life isn't about competition (ok, I get the irony posting this in HFJets, just hear me out...)

Life is about finding out what your passionate about. And your path doesn't have to follow the path of your parents or your sisters, because they're not *you*.

Your sisters do have some great accomplishments, but you definitely should be damn proud of what you've done so far. You said you wanted to go to Europe. Most people would love to go but always find reasons not to. Covid sucked, but if it wasn't for that, sounds like you would have. Doesn't mean you can't do it sometime soon either.

And if you didn't come spend time in our poor WiFi receptive city, you wouldn't have met all of us fantastic(ally annoying) posters

As to your mom, she sounds like she means well, but it does seem like it could be condescending. As a parent, we do want our kids to meet their potential, but at some point, we have to pull back and realize that our kids have to find their own way.

Hell, all I have is a lowly bachelor's degree. So send your mom's pity my way

And I could mention how I was the first in my extended family ever to attend university. I got my Bachelor's of Science in Engineering degree, and considered pursuing higher education. But I could see how much my parents also needed financial support so I made the choice to get employed and help contribute income to lessen their burden.

As to getting married and settling down, well hopefully your sisters found their special someone, but if you haven't yet, doesn't mean you won't. Timing is everything, and maybe you just haven't found that right guy yet. A friend of mine found her soulmate accidentally through an internet chatboard 20 years ago. They lived in different countries at that time, and they just were in the right place and time.

You're extremely bright and quite witty and charming. From my perspective, your mom and sisters should be comparing themselves to you and not the other way around.

Anyways, either this was helpful or I made a giant ass of myself.

Probably towards the latter.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Thanks for sharing In'...

My Father was near genius as far as I could tell... photographic memory... driven... helped pioneer techniques that revolutionized his field of study and work that are now recognized globally... my Oldest sister was a God medalist at her original University... very driven... went back again after the World bit her idealism in the butt to refocus her career... My Brother who is my best living friend was highly successful right out of the gate through University... and now is one of the top two executives in North America representing a Global Company...

How does this fit in with Me...? Different path... just like you... it's been a journey that has made me successful in everything I have done... I have made a lot of money for other people... I have helped a lot of persons who have worked for me succeeed (which is what I am most proud of)... and to this day I help many people day to day with their businesses... help them beyond business and when asked for, help them personally and their families...

No fancy degrees... not my parents favored path... but I have over 3000 business contacts in my Contacts List... my Lady and I have had a wonderful life together and will continue to as we work on our health together... my adult children have their own lives as they should, imperfect as they can be...

Enjoy the journey... and work on yourself for yourself and your vision... the right people and possibly a most significant person should come around... there is someone for everyone.... don't worry what others think... just do... because the wrong people will write your script regardless... feel free to shed these types quickly with no guilt...

And everyone was screwed over by the Covid years... and will be for years to come... you are not alone...

Never have regret for your choices and actions if you've tried to do positive things...

My Father always said to me after I screwed up (and I admitted it) "if you're not making mistakes... you're not doing anything"...

Sorry for the solilique...but it sounded like I needed to do something positive for you...

Well spoken good sir

 

[Finnflash]

Thanks for sharing In'...

My Father was near genius as far as I could tell... photographic memory... driven... helped pioneer techniques that revolutionized his field of study and work that are now recognized globally... my Oldest sister was a God medalist at her original University... very driven... went back again after the World bit her idealism in the butt to refocus her career... My Brother who is my best living friend was highly successful right out of the gate through University... and now is one of the top two executives in North America representing a Global Company...

How does this fit in with Me...? Different path... just like you... it's been a journey that has made me successful in everything I have done... I have made a lot of money for other people... I have helped a lot of persons who have worked for me succeeed (which is what I am most proud of)... and to this day I help many people day to day with their businesses... help them beyond business and when asked for, help them personally and their families...

No fancy degrees... not my parents favored path... but I have over 3000 business contacts in my Contacts List... my Lady and I have had a wonderful life together and will continue to as we work on our health together... my adult children have their own lives as they should, imperfect as they can be...

Enjoy the journey... and work on yourself for yourself and your vision... the right people and possibly a most significant person should come around... there is someone for everyone.... don't worry what others think... just do... because the wrong people will write your script regardless... feel free to shed these types quickly with no guilt...

And everyone was screwed over by the Covid years... and will be for years to come... you are not alone...

Never have regret for your choices and actions if you've tried to do positive things...

My Father always said to me after I screwed up (and I admitted it) "if you're not making mistakes... you're not doing anything"...

Sorry for the solilique...but it sounded like I needed to do something positive for you...

Servant Leaders are not recognized enough because its humble. Pride overtakes most of us because its positively rewarded in the world.

Thanks for sharing your servant approach John.

Need more leaders like you.

 

[raideralex99]

Here's an interesting take on each teams schedule this year.

2024-25 NHL schedule analysis: How each team stacks up

From distance travelled to back-to-backs and more, we grade each club’s degree of difficulty.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Out of curiosity, I looked at Carolina's November, since they also had a brutal month. Look what happens towards the end of it

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This is an excellent team, just like the Jets... yet they lose 4 of their last 6, and get shitkicked by Florida twice

I'll spend some time looking at other teams later, but to pretend that the schedule doesn't affect a teams performance is just idiotic

Thanks for posting this and for the people who never looked at it before the season even started the analytics said it is the most difficult part of the schedule for the Jets.

 

[RabidOne]

I'm flying across the continent once this month, staying in Van for 16 days and then flying back across the continent. It's only a 6 hour flight but it will leave me tired, grouchy, sore back and mess with my internal clock. After two weeks when I've reset to the new time zone, I'll do the return trip to another time.

I don't know how hockey players can travel as much as they do and still perform at such a high level. There's a certain level of acclimatization but even experienced frequent flyers admit that crossing time zones leaves them at less than their best. This is partly why I get so exasperated at the way people dump on the Jets and dismiss the effects of a long road trip as "luxury travel".

I have many friends who travel for work, and then even more for holidays.
Must be masochists, I hate airports, planes and all the waiting, bad seats, crappy food. And people, dont get me started on the people. Its bs, Air travel sucks.

 

[Cnile]

Air Canada Jetz. A320s in an all 2x2 (business class) configuration with a couple of tables so you can take a closer look at the spreadsheets after the game.

Well then
Pampered little whiners

 

[Cnile]

I haven't seen anything. Ville hurt again?

Yes puncture wounds
Apparently stapled to a bench

 

[Section 325]

Here's an interesting take on each teams schedule this year.

2024-25 NHL schedule analysis: How each team stacks up

From distance travelled to back-to-backs and more, we grade each club’s degree of difficulty.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Out of curiosity, I looked at Carolina's November, since they also had a brutal month. Look what happens towards the end of it

View attachment 939102

This is an excellent team, just like the Jets... yet they lose 4 of their last 6, and get shitkicked by Florida twice

I'll spend some time looking at other teams later, but to pretend that the schedule doesn't affect a teams performance is just idiotic

And it isn't even as bad as the Jets current schedule. Quality teams struggle with ridiculous scheduling because they are actual human beings and not hockey playing automatons.

Of course I'm sure that certain posters will have some snarky retort about it being specific to the Jets. The rest of us just need to remember that they're very enlightened beyond the rest of us, I guess.

 

[Jet]

Why include Miller in that list? He plays the right side.

I think the rest we know, though Heinola needs to play to finally prove the point, one way or the other.

Id add Coghlan to the list. His play was really an eye opener to me.

Problem is, someone is going to have to go when bodies come back.

Add this point I'd just waive Stanley but it's obvious he's not going anywhere.

 

[Jet]

Scheifele can't take FOs and can't shoot. Does that leave him any better than Namestnikov?

Even if the injury is relatively minor it seems to be preventing him from playing well. So what's the point of keeping him in the lineup?

Well id say Schiefele in his state is still a pretty good hockey player. I'm all for him getting some recovery time but the one benefit of keeping him playing is that he won't get rusty. Id still like to see one of our youngns get called up but unfortunately with our d platooning we don't have a lot of roster wiggle room

 

[Jet]

This - so much this. What I find interesting is to observe how many posters seem completely oblivious to the many markers that suggest the team has enjoyed a short, unsustainable performance - and seemingly expect it to continue throughout the entire season. Expectations get set unrealistically high - a sure recipe for disappointment/heartache.

And I find it insane that some are so dismissive of the travel component. If be willing to bet that those people have never had to perform at an all world level under conditions that drain mental acuity, never mind the physical component.

What I'm seeing from the Jets is a continued strong physical effort level, somewhat depleted, but their big drop off is in execution and decision making. Then you add into the fact that the team has not been able to practice which exacerbates mistakes and even any strategy tweaks to counter what teams are doing to us.

The truth is, it's somewhere in the middle. The Jets were performing unsustainably in the first 16 games of the season. They had some luck, and they also played some less than great teams.

But, to discount the absolutely horrific schedule they've endured over the past 2.5 weeks shows a lack of understanding of the whole situation.

 

[Channelcat]

I just think he may need to rest an injury. He isn’t even taking faceoffs. I would put Chiba on the fourth line.

I know it’s a crazy thought, but Kupari looks like he may have much more to offer. Probably our best faceoff guy right now.

It's December, great time to do it. Scheif has never been held accountable......ever. it would be good for him.

 

[rkp]

Stanley doesnt command a presence on the ice like Buff used to do...with his size other teams should take notice except for maybe as a weakness for the Jets

 

[Adam da bomb]

If only there was a way to screen out anything about Stanley this thread would have 4 pages. Not to say he’s not a problem, but, something to accept like taxes.

 

[Jets 31]

What the Jets are doing is predictable and this is the pattern we have seen before. They are a team that gets lucky with a hot streak now and then that is only good enough to tantalize before they go into full regression and reel off a string of bad losses. They are chronic pretenders not contenders and look good as long as teams think they are easy, but as soon as teams view them as a legit threat and prepare seriously for them they fold like a cheap suit. Why is this? I think they have some key players who just consistently do not perform well under pressure. Ehlers and Connor are the two prime examples of this. Whenever you need either of those players to steps up when the chips are down they disappear. Talented yes, but just not mentally or physically tough. Neither of them would get past the third line on a money team like Vegas. Every time this team tanks on an extended losing jag, those two lines led by Ehlers and Connor completely disappear. For the Dallas game after the 2nd intermission I predicted that Jets would give up the go ahead goal with less than 7 min left, and right on cue they did not disappoint. This has become the modus operandi for this team over the last 7 years so much so that it is almost guaranteed to predict when they will cave. Jets need a big shake up such as trading Connor otherwise this will just rinse and repeat until their competitive window closes.

If we traded Connor and Ehlers who is going to create offense and score goals? I think both are playing well this season and if you don't think playing 9 of their last 10 on the road isn't a factor you aren't looking at this right.

 

[Gm0ney]

Thanks for posting this and for the people who never looked at it before the season even started the analytics said it is the most difficult part of the schedule for the Jets.View attachment 939200

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5-6-0 so far with 4 games to go. The last 4 games are against STL (.480), BUF (.500), CHI (.360) and CBJ (.543) - average .470. So easier opponents, but is there anything left in the tank?