If he plays a top four role this season they won't care at all this season. The front office will be fist bumping the living shit out of each other.
Confirmed Trade: [DAL/NYR] Nils Lundkvist for 1st 2023 top 10 Protected + Cond. 2025 3rd
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mm11
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Ah', you're one of those.. Couldn't care less what was posted as you just wanted to get a laugh out of "no cups." Great chat. Now go away.
TheBloodyNine
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Glad he seems to be working out for Stars. We got a valuable piece back for him too. Trades can be like that sometimes.
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Troy McClure
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Yeah, if he's a top 4 guy and a PP contributor, they aren't going to care about losing a draft pick that is likely to not yield a guy as good as what they're getting.
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pld459666
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bern back briefly from the real world, so now you may be refuted
"You place a high value on every asset owned by your team."
I call em like I see em.
In recent years nyr has drafted better, obviously.
Hence my generally positive assessment, exceptions like Lias Anderson, who I never wanted/approved, aside, is more accurate than not.
YOU otoh, like to undervalue nyr assets so you can get same for less.
"You got one right out of dozens of valuations and then you act like what you did is special."
Inaccurate hyperbole.
I may not heart of the bullseye each one, but generally I am closer than you suggest.
believe
and endeavor to be more accurate as well
you criticize nyr for the return they got for Buchnevich.
I agree, but not b'c the return for buch on last drop of rfa rights was bad,
but b'c they waited til the last effin minute to deal him w/no term remaining
b'c they stupidly thought they were closer to competing
I was accurate to say if they dealt him 1-2 yrs earlier, they would have gotten much more, as they should have in those circumstances.
tell it like it is, etc.
ManofSteel55
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This is factually inaccurate, as I don't really ever express interest in NYR assets.
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No, they shouldn't have. His best season was his last season with us and he was a great player. There was no reason to trade him earlier just to cash in before a potential career year happened. You don't just toss away players because they might have a career year and will no longer be affordable.
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mm11
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If we are truly honest and endeavor to be accurate, then no I was not wrong.
What I actually said was:
- some thought he was 4C material, I said in a vacuum he is 3C material w/2C upside
-however, I also said, NOT in a vacuum, on paper he has extraordinary fit w/Kreider and righty shot Zib, who could/should be moved to 1RW.
I amplified this further saying:
one model for a successful line =
driver of play (here Kreider) + facilitator (Nieves) + finisher/scorer (Zib)
I said therefore, in the limited and restricted context of the above only, yes Boo could = de facto 1C b'c both Kreider and Zib were and are still clearly first liners. I took pains to emphasize that 1C status was conditional as to that line.
Rangers stupidly did not listen to me, and played Nieves w/McCloud types who were ok for defensive play but a black hole offensively. On two or three busted plays where Boo wound up w/Kreider, he looked good 'carrying the mail' to enable a score.
You and the self proclaimed 'Boo Nieves truther' [like the so called Moral Majority being neither moral nor a majority] like to selectively retell this tale out of context, in an attempt to make me look bad. But once the full truth is recalled, you are the ones who are disgraced.
I will never allow your false representations to remain uncontested.
It is the price of vigilance.
As explained above.
I will not succumb to the efforts of those who want submission to a herd mentality.
bern will continue to champion free speech and competition of ideas.
Don't like it?
Insert clip from the film where Jack N says "you can't handle the truth".
Good ultimately prevails over evil.
Truth eventually conquers falsehoods.
My efforts to champion truth and free speech do not make me look bad, even if you, like those idiot election deniers, insist to the contrary; your representations are not based on truth.
You lose.
See immediately above post.
Your wait is over.
You were NEVER interested in Buchnevich?
Or Georgiev?
Maybe at different prices than what NY board thought it should be, but not all?
Me thinks otherwise.
My friend, we agree to disagree on this.
His solid + last year w/us was arguably not as useful as a top 10 pick or comparable, which was plausible when he had 2 years term still w/good salary and more rfa control = great value
Again, something taken out of context.
When Girardi was about to completely lose his wheels due to Torts having excessive shot blocking, and we were juggling for cap, I advocated something around Girardi + Chara as principals. I think at the time, Chara was more $ but less term. It was properly asked, we got Staal, we got this one, the other one, where does another LD fit?
I said let's be creative and think outside the box, put Chara at 4LW; less skating demands than a D.
I was correct and stand by the remark.
You however, again, choose to try to make me look bad by taking it out of context.
You are exposed, pummeled into intellectual submission, and get to go to the penalty box for 2 minutes of shame.
So a coupla wks pass by, Nils is getting a chance, and demonstrating a laser.
Thank you, Nils L, for making me look good.
I agree w/you, kudos to Jones, but that is b'c, like Fox, he is an opportunist, not overly gifted as to his shot.
This is from the man who despises me publicly b'c I trademarked the term 'bernmeister', declaring it is a matter of ego, and insinuating it was done just b'c of my posting at HFB. Not so.
But that is besides the point.
We should ALL be welcome to express our opinions, and have them judged on basis of merit to extent possible.
You detest my individualism. I will only agree with the conventional wisdom when merit warrants it. I will not surrender to the herd.
It will bend, buckle and capitulate to the light of day and the exposure of the facts.
And as to your dig,
others DO regard me favorably, apparently.
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We weren't getting a top 10 pick for a guy who put up 46 points in 68 games as his career high. Or 38 points in 64 games if you want to go back 2 years instead of 1. You can argue we should have gotten more back when we traded him and that's fair because we definitely have gotten a better deal, but trading him prior was not going to give us a top 10 pick unless something went horrible wrong for the team that traded the pick to us.
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Schneider was a human turnstyle last year. I can't tell if it's his IQ, his inexperience, or his footspeed, or a combination of all 3.
Magic Mittens
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Agree to agree on the bold.
I seem to recall variations where it was thought EDM was receptive to SOMETHING around SOME COMBO of:
Buch w/2 yrs + Geo + taking Neal as a cap dump
for
Broberg or a top 10 ish 1st + something else
I don't consider value there to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.
Dr Pepper
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Rangers fans appear to have taken over and turned it into a roster thread.
pld459666
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No, he wasn't.
Played all but 2 of the teams second half last year and ALL of the playoffs.
No Norris candidate, but surely no turnstile.
Tufted Titmouse
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There's a reason he averaged the least TOI in the playoffs of all Ranger D, by a lot. Somehow managed to be on the ice for a ton of chances against despite playing against middling competition, with a CF% of 40 (!).
Everytime I watched him, he looked lost, especially in open ice, turning way too late when defending the rush and just generally chasing the play.
