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Trade: [DAL/LAL/UTAH] Luka Doncic is a Laker, Anthony Davis is a Maverick and many other pieces

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Avs_19 said:
Couldn't believe this when I saw it last night and needed time to process it. The initial thought, like most, was thinking Shams got hacked and then it ended up being true. Probably the craziest trade I've ever seen and been old enough to remember in any sport. Wow.

I've seen all the talk of Luka being out of shape, possible relationship issues with the Mavs, upcoming contract, etc but none of it makes sense. If you feel you have to move him, how is this the trade you make? You don't start a bidding war? The answer might be no but you don't give OKC a call about Chet and all of those picks they have? Mobley on the Cavs? If you specifically want a big man to win now and not one of the younger guys, at least give the Bucks a call about Giannis? The reporting suggests they specifically targeted the Lakers and AD and sent the trade in. They didn't even get all of the Lakers available first round picks! Unbelievable.

Great trade for the Lakers. Absolute no-brainer. They're going nowhere with this current team but now they're set up for the next decade. It was always, "who is going to be the next guy after LeBron and AD?" They always get that guy eventually but in the present it was a big question mark. Well, they got a 25 year old franchise player, who also happens to be a top five NBA player.
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Yeah, asinine GMing from Dallas' management.

If you are trading Doncic, you might as well trade him for the biggest futures package possible and embrace the tank, then ship Kyrie to the highest bidder, too.

Anthony Davis in his athletic prime couldn't get New Orleans past the 1st round. Now at 32 he's expected to get Dallas a championship being "the guy"? I don't know what the Mavs are thinking here.

This might also be great for the Lakers. Stylistic fit aside, this can take an absurd amount of pressure off LeBron offensively IF he relents and allows the clearly superior offensive player to take the lead. Time will tell if he does.
 
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Lebron and Luka both need the ball to be effective, this won't work but I get that Luka is really Lebron's replacement long term for the franchise.

But man, nobody on the Lakers starting 5 can play a lick of defense :laugh:
 
Romang67 said:
But I mean, Luka was fat and didn't play defense last year too, and he dragged them to the finals. The year after the other team with a fat Slav who doesn't play defense won it all.

Baffling. Something is awry. The long term conditioning also doesn't make any sense when you're getting Anthony Day-to-Davis back.
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I'm not one to buy into conspiracies, but man is it funny this deal comes out of nowhere, to the most recognizable team in the league with talks of ratings being down.

Like you mean to tell me the Mavs front office, knowing full well the absolute bidding war they could start by shopping around by all accounts, a transcendent/generational talent called one team and went "yeah okay sure." Like what?

The entire league would have opened their respective vaults to get a deal done. Imagine a team like OKC with their war chest of picks or somebody like that.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
I'm not one to buy into conspiracies, but man is it funny this deal comes out of nowhere, to the most recognizable team in the league with talks of ratings being down.
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I'm not a big conspiracy guy but something does seem fishy.

That said, I don't know why the NBA would want to do this to one of the best owners in the NBA. It doesn't make sense, even if he sold a majority stake.
 
dahrougem2 said:
I'm not a big conspiracy guy but something does seem fishy.

That said, I don't know why the NBA would want to do this to one of the best owners in the NBA. It doesn't make sense, even if he sold a majority stake.
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The thing that gets me is the lack of suitors or lack of a bidding war.

Imagine the god damn haul you could get if you tried. Teams would trade their entire franchise for this guy. Instead, the best you can do is land an aging star?
 
Blitzkrug said:
The thing that gets me is the lack of suitors or lack of a bidding war.

Imagine the god damn haul you could get if you tried. Teams would trade their entire franchise for this guy. Instead, the best you can do is land an aging star?
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The only explanation I've got is if it gets leaked that the Mavs are shopping Doncic, he might want to control where he goes which could limit the return. We know NBA stars hold all the power over GMs.

They must genuinely believe Anthony Davis is the best return.
 
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From what we're hearing, Dallas approached the Lakers with the offer, seems like AD is the guy they wanted.

Another thing to keep in mind AD is a Klutch client. It seems they pulled this off without Rich Paul and Bron knowing because this would have leaked for sure.
 
Maybe the craziest part is Dallas is all-in on a team with Kyrie and AD in their 30's...and has no control over its future 1st round picks when these guys are going to be in their mid-late 30's:

2027 is gone and almost completely unprotected (they only keep it if top 2)
2028 - Pick swap with Thunder (unprotected)
2029 is gone
2030 - Pick swap with Spurs (unprotected)
 
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Karterthadon said:
Lebron and Luka both need the ball to be effective, this won't work but I get that Luka is really Lebron's replacement long term for the franchise.

But man, nobody on the Lakers starting 5 can play a lick of defense :laugh:
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I'm thinking LeBron wants to jump ship for another shot at a ship. It makes no sense to me
 
I see Mark Cuban keeps getting mentioned but he didn't make this trade and he has zero say in it. The moment he sold the team he lost all decision making power despite them trying to pretend otherwise. He's not involved.

This is all new ownership and Harrison, who is apparently very close with AD.

edit: This is from June:

There is a clarity in the organizational flow chart that was murky in the past. Cuban, despite his claims after selling the majority share of the franchise midseason to the Adelson and Dumont families, no longer has control of basketball operations. Harrison reports to new governor Patrick Dumont, who is kept informed but has shown trust in Harrison to handle roster personnel matters. Dumont rewarded both Harrison and Kidd with multi-year contract extensions during this playoff run.
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www.espn.com

Don't worry, Mavs' fans -- Dallas' status as a Finals contender is safe

The West will once again be a gauntlet next season. But the Mavericks, behind Luka, Kyrie and an active front office, aren't going anywhere.
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Double edit: Cuban has already separated himself from this idiocy:

For starters, it wasn't Cuban. While he's still a minority owner in the team, Cuban -- who once said he'd sooner divorce his wife than let Doncic go to another NBA franchise -- confirmed to WFAA that he wasn't involved in the call.
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lakai17 said:
I'm thinking LeBron wants to jump ship for another shot at a ship. It makes no sense to me
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I'd keep an eye on Golden State, Lebron could push to go play with Stephband Draymond.

But Luka has to be beyond pissed off. That trade cost him the Super Max contract (That's 100 million in a tax free state).
 
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I still can't believe it. Mavs GM think they're in "win-now" mode without Doncic but with f***ing Anthony Day-to-day Davis. If you're losing the best player in a trade you can't be in "win-now" mode.

How can you flush a potential contender with a solid future down the toilet with one trade? Dallas: Yes.

I really thought and expected Doncic's gonna be a career Mav (maybe not with those agents) but there's more behind that trade I guess. I get it that Doncic can't play defense and is a fatty for an professional athlete but he still is probably the most gifted nasketballplayer on the planet. You just don't trade guys like that out of nothing.

Still kinda shocked, Dallas will have to rebuild soon because of the age of Irving & AD without any forst round picks. Thats gonna be though, the future of that franchise has shattered with that trade.

For LA it's a no brainer.
 
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It's a dumb move for Dallas even if you're not super high in your eval on Doncic. It's exactly the opposite way you wanna go about it. Trade him when his value is pretty much as low as it's going to get and do it secretly to avoid a bidding war. Dallas paying the price for hiring a guy as GM who had zero prior experience.
 
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the lakers always knew in the back of their minds that they needed to start preparing for life after lebron

AD is a top 10, maybe even top 5 player when he's on his game, but is he the guy you want to build around in the future given his age and injury history? i certainly never saw him as that guy and clearly the lakers didn't either
 
Luceni said:
How can you flush a potential contender with a solid future down the toilet with one trade? Dallas: Yes.
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I'm guessing they simply didn't want to commit to the Supermax contract with that guy. He can keep getting away with this stuff in his 20's but even then, how well will a guy who can't be bothered to show up to camp in shape every year will age?
 
Karterthadon said:
I'm guessing they simply didn't want to commit to the Supermax contract with that guy. He can keep getting away with this stuff in his 20's but even then, how well will a guy who can't be bothered to show up to camp in shape every year will age?
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Well if that is the case, then you announce that Luka is on the trade block and pick the best offer at TDL.

Because this actual deal is so loopsided, I can't even find the right words for it. Mavs have just ruined their mid- and longterm future and I doubt that they're more than a 2nd round Playoff team with Anthony day-to-day Davis.
 
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