Confirmed Trade: [DAL/CAR] Mikko Rantanen (signs 8 years, $12M AAV) for Logan Stankoven, c. 2026 1st round, c. 2028 1st round, 2026 3rd round, 2027 3rd round

[bleedgreen]

And I’ll quote what Tulsky said in his interview:

“We got permission from Colorado to feel him out about an extension. They told us their focus right then was getting a deal done with Colorado, you know, that was their player’s focus at the time. Our read based on a variety of conversations with people was that we would have been a team he was interested in if it didn’t work out in Colorado. Maybe we got that right, maybe we got that wrong, I don’t know. At the time, that’s what we believed. We figured “Look, I don’t know if it’s 50% or 75% or 85% that he signs with us, but if he doesn’t, we’ll have time to go make another trade and recoup our assets. And if he does, then it’s a home run. So we took the swing.”

So based off that quote and Friedman’s reporting, someone from Rantanen’s camp made it seem like Carolina was a team he was interested in, which is why Carolina took the chance in the first place.

Make them watch it themselves. It’s a useless conversation without it, and to be honest there’s not really need for conversation after it. It says everything we would say.

 

[elmaco]

And I’ll quote what Tulsky said in his interview:

“We got permission from Colorado to feel him out about an extension. They told us their focus right then was getting a deal done with Colorado, you know, that was their player’s focus at the time. Our read based on a variety of conversations with people was that we would have been a team he was interested in if it didn’t work out in Colorado. Maybe we got that right, maybe we got that wrong, I don’t know. At the time, that’s what we believed. We figured “Look, I don’t know if it’s 50% or 75% or 85% that he signs with us, but if he doesn’t, we’ll have time to go make another trade and recoup our assets. And if he does, then it’s a home run. So we took the swing.”

So based off that quote and Friedman’s reporting, someone from Rantanen’s camp made it seem like Carolina was a team he was interested in, which is why Carolina took the chance in the first place.

What are you even arguing anymore? You thought the flip was good. Its all good now everybody is alright in the end, maybe its time to stop?

 

[sensodyne17]

Friedman reported that Rantanen/his agent believed the initial ask about an extension with Carolina was a bargaining tactic by the Avalanche and told the Canes “Yes, he’d be open to signing there.” When the trade happened (because the ask wasn’t a bargaining tactic), Rantanen and his agent were shocked.

Now who to believe? Friedman, who has no skin in this game, or his agent, who got his client traded from the team he wanted to play for?

I just finished watching the Tulsky interview and he himself confirms that there were no contract discussions. Everything the agent aligns with what Tulsky said.

Rantanen's sole focus was Colorado and not any other team at the time of the trade. Paraphrasing here but he said based on conversations around the league, they felt he had good shot to re-sign here. They talked to Rantenen's camp but they said they were not interested in anyone except Colorado at the time of the trade.

After the trade, Rantanen said he needed some time to evaluate the situation. Carolina gave him a week or two and gave him a pitch to re-sign. Rantanen said he won't be signing here and gave them a list of teams that he would be willing to go to. Tulsky also said RBD misspoke about the situation.

Doing mental gymnastics when your own GM comes out and speaks the truth is crazy.

You might be better than Simone Biles. I guess Friedman's word trumps Tulsky's? LMAO.

 

[sensodyne17]

And I’ll quote what Tulsky said in his interview:

“We got permission from Colorado to feel him out about an extension. They told us their focus right then was getting a deal done with Colorado, you know, that was their player’s focus at the time. Our read based on a variety of conversations with people was that we would have been a team he was interested in if it didn’t work out in Colorado. Maybe we got that right, maybe we got that wrong, I don’t know. At the time, that’s what we believed. We figured “Look, I don’t know if it’s 50% or 75% or 85% that he signs with us, but if he doesn’t, we’ll have time to go make another trade and recoup our assets. And if he does, then it’s a home run. So we took the swing.”

So based off that quote and Friedman’s reporting, someone from Rantanen’s camp made it seem like Carolina was a team he was interested in, which is why Carolina took the chance in the first place.

You're completely misinterpreting the bolded.

Tulsky EXPLICITY says Rantanen's camp was NOT interested in having a discussion of an extension as the sole focus was Colorado.

Carolina did their own "due diligence" and deemed this a worthy swing. You're not listening to what your own GM is saying. You're misconstruing the situation to rationalize the narrative in your head instead of looking at the objective facts.

It's like one step behind delusion.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

“Why let facts get in the way of my biases….”

Okay just to make you happy. I will listen.

Point 1: "This doesn't happen, no one ever says no to Carolina". Complete bullshit argument, of course players who have played there 2,3,4 years want to reup in the place they are familiar with and settled in. Look what happens in Winnipeg. GM is making the argument as if Rantanen was a 3 year player that is now saying no. How many UFA players have not been interested in Carolina? I am sure plenty. Placing blame on Rantanen as "the first player to ever say no to here" is complete bullshit riling up fanbase to get angry.

Point 2: They had permission to speak to the player/agent before the trade and were told "We are interested in Colorado".. GM should take that as a no.. but he continues anyways. Horrible due diligence by the GM. "Our READ based on conversations with a multitude of people indicated he could be interested in Carolina" Why doesn't he say the player? Why did they reach out to a multitude of people? Why is he trying to do psychology rather than getting a yes from the player? Marek asks for clarification.. Tulsky says "Octagon said we were interested in Colorado" LOOOOOOOOOOL

Point 3: Coach Rob is a liar, the 4 teams thing was given after the pitch, after he was there and settled, and after he decided no he didn't want to go there. Coach is a liar and full of shit and the GM calls him on it.

There is nothing here.

They didn't know he would sign, they told him Colorado only before they traded for him, he came in, they pitched it, he didn't like it, he told them no -- I will sign and trade to these 4 teams.. and hes gone.

Sounds very straight forward to me.

 

[bleedgreen]

What are you even arguing anymore? You thought the flip was good. Its all good now everybody is alright in the end, maybe its time to stop?

lol why are you saying that only to one side when the other side is still going?

You're completely misinterpreting the bolded.

Tulsky EXPLICITY says Rantanen's camp was NOT interested in having a discussion of an extension as the sole focus was Colorado.

Carolina did their own "due diligence" and deemed this a worthy swing. You're not listening to what your own GM is saying. You're misconstruing the situation to rationalize the narrative in your head instead of looking at the objective facts.

It's like one step behind delusion.

He says twice in the conversation they were given indications he would sign with them.

 

[elmaco]

lol why are you saying that only to one side when the other side is still going?


He says twice in the conversation they were given indications he would sign with them.

Boo hoo, what is anyone gonna do about it really? Teams screw players like its breakfast, now when a star player doesn't want to play in a certain team they get angry, laughable.

 

[bleedgreen]

Okay just to make you happy. I will listen.

Point 1: "This doesn't happen, no one ever says no to Carolina". Complete bullshit argument, of course players who have played there 2,3,4 years want to reup in the place they are familiar with and settled in. Look what happens in Winnipeg. GM is making the argument as if Rantanen was a 3 year player that is now saying no. How many UFA players have not been interested in Carolina? I am sure plenty. Placing blame on Rantanen as "the first player to ever say no to here" is complete bullshit riling up fanbase to get angry.

Point 2: They had permission to speak to the player/agent before the trade and were told "We are interested in Colorado".. GM should take that as a no.. but he continues anyways. Horrible due diligence by the GM. "Our READ based on conversations with a multitude of people indicated he could be interested in Carolina" Why doesn't he say the player? Why did they reach out to a multitude of people? Why is he trying to do psychology rather than getting a yes from the player? Marek asks for clarification.. Tulsky says "Octagon said we were interested in Colorado" LOOOOOOOOOOL

Point 3: Coach Rob is a liar, the 4 teams thing was given after the pitch, after he was there and settled, and after he decided no he didn't want to go there. Coach is a liar and full of shit and the GM calls him on it.

There is nothing here.

They didn't know he would sign, they told him Colorado only before they traded for him, he came in, they pitched it, he didn't like it, he told them no -- I will sign and trade to these 4 teams.. and hes gone.

Sounds very straight forward to me.

Where’s the part where he says twice they had reason to believe he would sign?

Rod is an idiot sometimes, not a liar. He said it wrong obviously. He messes up his in game interviews all the time. He either didn’t understand the timeline or he just said it wrong in the moment because it was hardly the point to him. To him the point was “the guy didn’t want to sign here”.

“Horrible Dilligence”….

Ok buddy. I’m sorry TD or whoever hurt you. Neither side here is going to convince the other obviously. You’re going to hate because that’s your thing. I still like my team and I’m glad my gm actually makes efforts to make the team better, has a plan if it fails and then executes the plan well when it does.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I just finished watching the Tulsky interview and he himself confirms that there were no contract discussions. Everything the agent aligns with what Tulsky said.

Rantanen's sole focus was Colorado and not any other team at the time of the trade. Paraphrasing here but he said based on conversations around the league, they felt he had good shot to re-sign here. They talked to Rantenen's camp but they said they were not interested in anyone except Colorado at the time of the trade.

After the trade, Rantanen said he needed some time to evaluate the situation. Carolina gave him a week or two and gave him a pitch to re-sign. Rantanen said he won't be signing here and gave them a list of teams that he would be willing to go to. Tulsky also said RBD misspoke about the situation.

Doing mental gymnastics when your own GM comes out and speaks the truth is crazy.

You might be better than Simone Biles. I guess Friedman's word trumps Tulsky's? LMAO.

You added the bolded. It wasn’t conversations “around the league”. And, in fact, it couldn’t have been “around the league”, because the Avalanche were very particular about keeping the possible trade close to the chest. Tulsky’s direct quote was “a variety of conversations with people”. Which people even knew the trade deal was happening? The Avalanche, Carolina, and Rantanen’s camp. Which people did Friedman directly call out for misunderstanding the situation? Rantanen’s camp.

 

[bleedgreen]

Boo hoo, what is anyone gonna do about it really? Teams screw players like it’s breakfast, now when a star player doesn't want to play in a certain team they get angry, laughable.

Wait….i thought we weren’t supposed to be talking about this anymore? Make up your mind.

 

[sensodyne17]

before the trade from the Avalanche, the Hurricanes sought permission to discuss extension with Rantanen, but his camp declined and made it clear they were solely focused on Colorado regarding extension talks. Carolina then made the choice to trade for him and aggressively pitch Rantanen on an extension

Just quoting…

I think mostly everyone understands except the people here trying to rationalize and justify in their own heads.

Tulsky basically came out in this interview and said we took a risk for a type of player that is never generally available and it didn't work out.

I gained some respect for him in terms of transparency but man... he admitted to so many mistakes. Bonus was admitting to fumbling the Guentzel signing. They couldn't move out someone like KK to keep Guentzel? Just so unserious.

1 ) Gambling on Rantanen willing to sign here

2) Admitting that RBA misspoke about the situation

3) Rantanen gave them a list of teams a week before the TDL and they took it down to the last minute which inhibited their ability to use those pieces to add other players.

4) Did not use any other existing picks/prospects to add to their lineup to help soften the blow

5) Guentzel debacle

This might be the only time in history where a (fringe?) Stanley cup contender got WORSE at the deadline, while watching other contenders around the league absolutely load up. Just a whirlwind of mistakes since Tulsky been's hired.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Where’s the part where he says twice they had reason to believe he would sign?

Rod is an idiot sometimes, not a liar. He said it wrong obviously. He messes up his in game interviews all the time. He either didn’t understand the timeline or he just said it wrong in the moment because it was hardly the point to him. To him the point was “the guy didn’t want to sign here”.

“Horrible Dilligence”….

Ok buddy. I’m sorry TD or whoever hurt you. Neither side here is going to convince the other obviously. You’re going to hate because that’s your thing. I still like my team and I’m glad my gm actually makes efforts to make the team better, has a plan if it fails and then executes the plan well when it does.

He had reason to believe he would sign when after asking the agent never said they would be interested.

You can't be serious?

Jesus Murphy

"Hello would you like to sign an extension in Carolina"

"We are only interested in Colorado and the moment"

"Okay thank you, I have reason to believe you will sign!!"

Tulsky the tool and the most delusional fanbase in sports! Hurricanes Fans!

 

[Bruce Granville]

And I’ll quote what Tulsky said in his interview:

“We got permission from Colorado to feel him out about an extension. They told us their focus right then was getting a deal done with Colorado, you know, that was their player’s focus at the time. Our read based on a variety of conversations with people was that we would have been a team he was interested in if it didn’t work out in Colorado. Maybe we got that right, maybe we got that wrong, I don’t know. At the time, that’s what we believed. We figured “Look, I don’t know if it’s 50% or 75% or 85% that he signs with us, but if he doesn’t, we’ll have time to go make another trade and recoup our assets. And if he does, then it’s a home run. So we took the swing.”

So based off that quote and Friedman’s reporting, someone from Rantanen’s camp made it seem like Carolina was a team he was interested in, which is why Carolina took the chance in the first place.

Our read…maybe we got it right, maybe we got it wrong. I don‘t know.

Omg, you would pay him 14x8 if he didn‘t decline to sign. You should be THANKFUL as hell for him realising he is not a fit style-wise. Build him a statue. Instead your management kept on trying to force him to sign and the fans keep on harassing him.
Necas was not a fit either. You need a certain kind of players for Rod‘s style of hockey. Guentzel was a fit, your FO lowballed him until it was too late.
Now you got Stankoven. He should be a great fit from what I‘ve seen from him in Dallas.

Ffs, it‘s time to quit whining and move on. And build that statue. Rantanen saved Tulsky‘s ass.

 

[sensodyne17]

You added the bolded. It wasn’t conversations “around the league”. And, in fact, it couldn’t have been “around the league”, because the Avalanche were very particular about keeping the possible trade close to the chest. Tulsky’s direct quote was “a variety of conversations with people”. Which people even knew the trade deal was happening? The Avalanche, Carolina, and Rantanen’s camp. Which people did Friedman directly call out for misunderstanding the situation? Rantanen’s camp.

Mental backflips are insane.

Tulsky: Rantanen's camp was not interested in discussion an extension as their sole focus was Colorado.

You: NO THAT'S NOT TRUE RANTANEN SCREWED US

C'mon... let's live in reality eh? You're arguing about semantics at this point instead of focusing on the big picture result. A legitimate contender got WORSE at the deadline and FAILED to make any other trades to bolster their team. This is just an objective FACT. You can spin the narrative the way you like it, but this is just an undisputed fact.

 

[elmaco]

Wait….i thought we weren’t supposed to be talking about this anymore? Make up your mind.

I am not arguing with you buddy, these are the facts, whether you accept them or not doesn't matter to me.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Mental backflips are insane.

Tulsky: Rantanen's camp was not interested in discussion an extension as their sole focus was Colorado.

You: NO THAT'S NOT TRUE RANTANEN SCREWED US

C'mon... let's live in reality eh? You're arguing about semantics at this point instead of focusing on the big picture result. A legitimate contender got WORSE at the deadline and FAILED to make any other trades to bolster their team. This is just an objective FACT. You can spin the narrative the way you like it, but this is just an undisputed fact.

You keep calling Carolina a contender and it’s funny every time.

 

[bleedgreen]

He had reason to believe he would sign when after asking the agent never said they would be interested.

You can't be serious?

Jesus Murphy

"Hello would you like to sign an extension in Carolina"

"We are only interested in Colorado and the moment"

"Okay thank you, I have reason to believe you will sign!!"

Tulsky the tool and the most delusional fanbase in sports! Hurricanes Fans!

Tulsky has said the whole time they had reason to think he would sign. The info obviously came from the Avs. He’s just not throwing whoever said it under the bus while saying it, he clearly states they had conversations that gave them the impression. Then admits maybe those were good reasons, maybe they weren’t but it was enough for the swing. Which I agree with.

If I’m delusional I’m plenty happy with it. You have an agenda and obviously it isn’t getting you anywhere.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Tulsky has said the whole time they had reason to think he would sign. The info obviously came from the Avs. He’s just not throwing whoever said it under the bus while saying it, he clearly states they had conversations that gave them the impression. Then admits maybe those were good reasons, maybe they weren’t but it was enough for the swing. Which I agree with.

If I’m delusional I’m plenty happy with it. You have an agenda and obviously it isn’t getting you anywhere.

Why would it come from the Avs when they have permission to talk with the player and agent?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I need to leave this thread the level of delusion is too high.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Tulsky has said the whole time they had reason to think he would sign. The info obviously came from the Avs. He’s just not throwing whoever said it under the bus while saying it, he clearly states they had conversations that gave them the impression. Then admits maybe those were good reasons, maybe they weren’t but it was enough for the swing. Which I agree with.

Reading between the lines appears to be too hard for some people.

 

[bleedgreen]

Reading between the lines appears to be too hard for some people.

Well you need to be at a certain level of delusion to see it.

 

[sensodyne17]

You keep calling Carolina a contender and it’s funny every time.

Carolina has a better winning percentage than the Oilers, Avalanche, Tampa. Carolina is a point away from the Leafs, two points away from Vegas, and three points away from the Panthers. Four of these teams I just mentioned have won cups recently.

I guess they're not a contender?

I rate your mental backflip a 10/10... or however they score it. Gold medal(s) for you.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Carolina has a better winning percentage than the Oilers, Avalanche, Tampa. Carolina is a point away from the Leafs, two points away from Vegas, and three points away from the Panthers. Four of these teams I just mentioned have won cups recently.

I guess they're not a contender?

I rate your mental backflip a 10/10... or however they score it. Gold medal(s) for you.

I can’t speak to how fans of those other teams see their team, but I can tell you most, if not all, Canes fans don’t see them as a contender. Defense has been messy all year, their PP is putrid, and goaltending is very hot/cold. This was never supposed to be a contending year for Carolina (and if you look back at the off-season/early October threads, you’ll see the same sentiment)

 

[sensodyne17]

Why would it come from the Avs when they have permission to talk with the player and agent?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I need to leave this thread the level of delusion is too high.

That's fair.

I have no skin in the game and I can clearly see the delusion.

I don't know why they are victimizing themselves when they created the whole debacle. Your team went into a situation where there as NO agreed contract extension at the time of the trade. They can debate, until the sun comes down, if there were any indications or not, but the objective fact is that there was NO agreed contract extension. This means that it was a BAKED in risk as part of the acquisition. You guys took a massive risk, and it didn't pay off. Not only that it didn't pay off - it inhibited your team from making other trades to bolster your lineup

I think these guys have been disappointed so many times that they're pre-rationalizing/justifying to themselves so that when they get knocked out again in the second round, it's going to be like "oh it was never our year anyway", "oh next year we'll be really good with Stankoven", "oh i wonder what proposals we can conjure up with those first rounders now that our team got knocked out in the second round". It hurts less if you shift your mental framework I guess?

Either way, these guys don't want to take facts at face value - nothing more you can do. It's like that person that everyone knows who always finds themselves to be the victim when they were the one causing all the chaos in the first place.

 

[Kcb12345]

Canes GM confirms that Rantanen never indicated before the trade that he was willing to sign there. In fact, they traded for him despite him specifically saying he wanted to sign in Colorado. They thought they could convince him once he was there but they were unable to. No idea how the player can be blamed for any of this

 

[Zapp]

Canes GM confirms that Rantanen never indicated before the trade that he was willing to sign there. In fact, they traded for him despite him specifically saying he wanted to sign in Colorado. They thought they could convince him once he was there but they were unable to. No idea how the player can be blamed for any of this

Where will the Avs and Canes fans get their copium supply from now?