The don godfather
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If someone offered me 2 firsts two 3rd round picks plus a young already point producing 2nd line center in stankoven for necas I would sign that deal blindfolded with a drink of scotch and eggs.
Confirmed Trade: [DAL/CAR] Mikko Rantanen (signs 8 years, $12M AAV) for Logan Stankoven, c. 2026 1st round, c. 2028 1st round, 2026 3rd round, 2027 3rd round
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Alright, you can think Tulsky screwed up. The way I see it, he took a player that didn’t fit the system and was not long for this team (Necas) and turned him + small adds into Hall + Stankoven + two 1sts and two 3rds. I wish he’d “screw up” like that more often. And I bet deep down, you wish your GM would “screw up” like that as well.
bleedgreen
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Your phrasing is hilarious. The Avs were looking to trade Rants. Necas is not a top 15 player, not with the Canes. He had a hot start and as usual cooled down. No one cares that they didn’t have a contract in hand. That top 15 player had to be moved, and cap wise they had to move similar money out.
What is this that they tried to “force” Rants into a contract?!? It’s called a contract offer brother, that both sides knew was coming and was expected. They never said “sign it or we’re shipping you out!”?!? Where is that from? Of course the implication was there but the way it went was directed by Rants not the Canes. He came back from the 4 nations saying he wanted to sign with one of four teams, not the Canes. He also played like ass, and absolutely like someone that didn’t want to stay so there was no point holding onto him for the rest of the season. I’d assume he was involved with the trade negotiations on some level as he’s dictating the teams….theres no threatening there they’re all working together to get him where he wants to go!
Here's how I know your doing mental gymnastics.
You neglect to call out the picks you gave up but then call out the two thirds as part of your return. That's literally the epitome of mental gymnastics - you're arguing my point for me.
Carolina In:
Stankoven
Hall
Jurtop
1st
1st
3rd
3rd
Carolina Out:
Necas
Drury
2nd
3rd
4th
So this team, which is supposed to be a cup contender, went from Necas and Drury to Stankoven and Hall? And somehow, you guys did OK? Just hilarious stuff. So while other teams loaded up, you guys got worse? This might be the only team in NHL history where a cup contending team got worse at the deadline instead of better.
Ok, you guys got some late, late firsts couple years down the road. I'm happy for you guys I guess? Maybe you can do another offersheet for a 3rd line center?
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spockBokk
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For posterity, info from Tulsky directly about Rantanen trade. Nice to see a GM being so open:
bleedgreen
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Let’s just face the facts here. We’re completely ok with our “bad looks” and aggressive gm who actually tries to make the team better. We’re not worse than we were and we’re better positioned in the future. We have a ton of cap space and assets in our pocket for the off season and we’re still competitive now for the playoffs.
I’d rather be where we are than where you are, and I absolutely wouldn’t switch our gm for yours.
What does this have to do with Vancouver?
The fact you keep bringing up Vancouver in a Rantanen thread makes you look stupid. Focus on the topic at hand. If you are capable of that.
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There's a Finnish interview he gave to a Finnish newspaper, where he explicitly said the biggest reason for not choosing CAR was their system, he wants the puck at his stick, he wants to play for an offense first minded team.
'Completely misinformed': Rantanen's agent claps back at Hurricanes' Brind'Amour
On Tuesday, Mikko Rantanen's agent fired back on behalf of his client, three days after his trade to the Dallas Stars.www.sportsnet.ca
MrHeiskanen
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'Completely misinformed': Rantanen's agent claps back at Hurricanes' Brind'Amour
On Tuesday, Mikko Rantanen's agent fired back on behalf of his client, three days after his trade to the Dallas Stars.
Clown show in Carolina. Management, coach, and fans on Twitter. All clowns.
Everything the agent sounds very probably and likely to the truth.
Carolina just looks silly right now. This + the Guentzel non-signing... Tulsky might be in over his head.
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Everything his agent is saying is the exact opposite of what Friedman was reporting. And certainly, the agent wouldn’t have any reason to make he and his client look better by comparison. Surely not…
MrHeiskanen
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The coach and management are trying to save face so their fanbase can go ahead an harass Rantanen and his girlfriend online. Complete gong show of an organization run by tools.
At the end of the day, Rantanen telling them he wouldn't sign there and allowing them to trade him, with an extension, gave them MAX RETURN.
And they are still CRYING.
HOLY f***
bleedgreen
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There’s a ten minute conversation with the Canes gm explaining exactly what happened but we’re gonna just keep going with the agents opinion. Got it.
I’ll leave it as I’ve already said personally. I don’t, and I feel most other Canes fans are pretty close to agreeing with me here…..regret at all that our gm went for it. I don’t mind at all the outcome. People are going to bag on the Canes no matter what because that’s their bias, so be it. You’re not getting Canes fans to change their mind. Every question that needs to be answered is right there above in the Tulsky interview linked a few before mine. I’m fine with everything said in there. Most Canes are going to be. I’d be surprised if the haters even bothered to watch it.
I’ll leave it as I’ve already said personally. I don’t, and I feel most other Canes fans are pretty close to agreeing with me here…..regret at all that our gm went for it. I don’t mind at all the outcome. People are going to bag on the Canes no matter what because that’s their bias, so be it. You’re not getting Canes fans to change their mind. Every question that needs to be answered is right there above in the Tulsky interview linked a few before mine. I’m fine with everything said in there. Most Canes are going to be. I’d be surprised if the haters even bothered to watch it.
I don't think you read the article.
If you did, and that's the conclusion you came up with... maybe read it again? Or get someone to translate it so you can understand? It's clear you're missing the point.
Rantanen kept an open mind about Carolina and then ultimately decided he didn't want to be in Carolina long-term. He provided a list of teams to the management group on places he would sign an extension for and gave them plenty of time to make a deal.
Scott added that before the trade from the Avalanche, the Hurricanes sought permission to discuss extension with Rantanen, but his camp declined and made it clear they were solely focused on Colorado regarding extension talks. Carolina then made the choice to trade for him and aggressively pitch Rantanen on an extension, per Scott.
When Rantanen made the decision not to extend in Carolina, Scott said he communicated that fact with enough time for the Hurricanes to find a trade partner that would allow them to recoup the best possible assets.
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Friedman reported that Rantanen/his agent believed the initial ask about an extension with Carolina was a bargaining tactic by the Avalanche and told the Canes “Yes, he’d be open to signing there.” When the trade happened (because the ask wasn’t a bargaining tactic), Rantanen and his agent were shocked.
Now who to believe? Friedman, who has no skin in this game, or his agent, who got his client traded from the team he wanted to play for?
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Bruce Granville
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Because they declined extension talks with Carolina and wanted only to re-sign in Colorado…and still Avs and Canes made a trade.
I‘d be surprised/shocked, too.
bleedgreen
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If you watch the Tulsky interview right on this very page all questions are answered. Feel free to give it a watch.
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If he didn’t want to be traded, don’t say you’re open to an extension to a team you might be traded to. If he doesn’t give that indication, there’s certainly a chance that Carolina never makes the trade and he could have continued to try and work a deal out with the Avalanche.
MrHeiskanen
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Suggesting anyone to listen to that voice for more than 5 seconds is asking someone to subject themselves to torture.
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before the trade from the Avalanche, the Hurricanes sought permission to discuss extension with Rantanen, but his camp declined and made it clear they were solely focused on Colorado regarding extension talks. Carolina then made the choice to trade for him and aggressively pitch Rantanen on an extension
Just quoting…
bleedgreen
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And I’ll quote what Tulsky said in his interview:
“We got permission from Colorado to feel him out about an extension. They told us their focus right then was getting a deal done with Colorado, you know, that was their player’s focus at the time. Our read based on a variety of conversations with people was that we would have been a team he was interested in if it didn’t work out in Colorado. Maybe we got that right, maybe we got that wrong, I don’t know. At the time, that’s what we believed. We figured “Look, I don’t know if it’s 50% or 75% or 85% that he signs with us, but if he doesn’t, we’ll have time to go make another trade and recoup our assets. And if he does, then it’s a home run. So we took the swing.”
So based off that quote and Friedman’s reporting, someone from Rantanen’s camp made it seem like Carolina was a team he was interested in, which is why Carolina took the chance in the first place.
