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Proposal: Dach to Pittsburgh

Dipsy Doodle said:
Pittsburgh does have a 2nd round pick, its just not their 2nd round pick:

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oh i just saw that way way down almost in the 3rd round. Makes this proposal even less appealing
 
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1. I don't value Dach that high. I would do it for a 3rd though.
2. I don't think Dach currently fills a major need for us unless we off load someone else. Like if the Penguins traded Rakell and shifted Malkin to wing, Dach or Novak could look to fill that 2C slot. I might be willing to do it in that scenario.
 
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Poor guy. Goes from #3 overall to being traded for #13 overall to being traded again for a 2nd rounder.
 
SEALBound said:
1. I don't value Dach that high. I would do it for a 3rd though.
2. I don't think Dach currently fills a major need for us unless we off load someone else. Like if the Penguins traded Rakell and shifted Malkin to wing, Dach or Novak could look to fill that 2C slot. I might be willing to do it in that scenario.
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SIze, speed, defensive ability, potential.
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
SIze, speed, defensive ability, potential.
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And he's only 24 so he fits in the new timeline, I don't disagree.

My MAJOR hiccup with Dach is that, since entering the league (6 total seasons), he's played in 55% of available games. 58, 2, 57 GP in the last three seasons. Those aren't good stats. I'm not giving up a higher round pick for so much uncertainty.
 
Montreal will give him one more chance at earning the 2C position next season. It's a sure thing he's going to come to camp ready to compete next Fall. His job is on the line.

Montreal has a surplus of picks and can't keep all the quality prospects in their system as it is. They have considerable depth at LD for example. If anything, they might be more interested in moving some of those assets, including one of their first rounders this year, to move up for the Pittsburgh pick.
 
kyne said:
Montreal will give him one more chance at earning the 2C position next season. It's a sure thing he's going to come to camp ready to compete next Fall. His job is on the line.

Montreal has a surplus of picks and can't keep all the quality prospects in their system as it is. They have considerable depth at LD for example. If anything, they might be more interested in moving some of those assets, including one of their first rounders this year, to move up for the Pittsburgh pick.
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I don't think Montreal needs him to be a C, they'd be fine if he can stay healthy and play on the wing. Ultimately a late 2nd doesn't do anything for Montreal so there isn't really a reason to trade him for one.
 
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kyne said:
Montreal has a surplus of picks and can't keep all the quality prospects in their system as it is. They have considerable depth at LD for example. If anything, they might be more interested in moving some of those assets, including one of their first rounders this year, to move up for the Pittsburgh pick.
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That's fair. I'd have some interest in Struble, though I'm not sure he's worth the tier drop swapping 1sts...even the NYR 1st if they pass it on this year.
 
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SEALBound said:
And he's only 24 so he fits in the new timeline, I don't disagree.

My MAJOR hiccup with Dach is that, since entering the league (6 total seasons), he's played in 55% of available games. 58, 2, 57 GP in the last three seasons. Those aren't good stats. I'm not giving up a higher round pick for so much uncertainty.
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That's the only reason a trade would be entertained though.

You pay premiums for size, position, and ceiling. It's just about balancing the risk/reward.
 
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Dipsy Doodle said:
That's the only reason a trade would be entertained though.

You pay premiums for size, position, and ceiling. It's just about balancing the risk/reward.
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He has size … but is as soft as baby poop.
He’s a C … but mediocre at faceoffs and not solid defensively as a C.
After all these years in the league are you really referencing his Ceiling?

He’s a 3rd line winger. Passable on line 2 if both linemates are better than him.
 
I like this, with caveats, namely that Montreal has other moves to gain C depth, but value wise it makes sense, and PIT might be able to give Dach ice time to grow into the player he could be.

A very late 2nd isn't any great value, but it's enough, and high picks with size keep getting chances. He could still turn into the next Dylan Strome.
 
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Dipsy Doodle said:
To Montreal: 2025 2nd round pick (WAS)
To Pittsburgh: Dach

Montreal gets some additional cap space to add a legit 2nd line center plus a futures asset, and the Pens take a flier on a former high draft pick who's been a band-aid since being drafted.
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I don't think Dach will ever be a center but I'd rather keep him and move him to the wing somewhere in the top nine . A big , strong , skilled winger like him might just find a home there , if not then we move him for another reclamation project or a later pick .
 
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Habs will see Dach through. There is no point in trading him unless it is in a package for a 2C.

Habs will be trading picks in the coming drafts to improve the team.
 
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Space umpire said:
He has size … but is as soft as baby poop.
He’s a C … but mediocre at faceoffs and not solid defensively as a C.
After all these years in the league are you really referencing his Ceiling?

He’s a 3rd line winger. Passable on line 2 if both linemates are better than him.
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He is brittle, not soft.
 
I'm not saying Dach has great value, but I'm sure KH will want to move him in a bigger type trade and pick up much needed assets for us going forward. Adding another pick does nothing for the Habs, we have so many!!
 
fair offer, but habs have so many picks and aren't desperate to move him. He's not a great C but has the size and skill to play on the wing- which habs need. They keep him and see it out
 
we'll just keep him, thx.
No need to sell low on Dach especially at that price. (3.3mil)

We could try for a change of scenery though, a other player that struggle with high potential.
 
I'm confused as to why so many people here assume dealing away Dach and getting a 2C have to be done in the same deal. Ever since the deals to get Dach in the first place, we've known Kent Hughes can set up multiple, related deals to acheive something.
 
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pth2 said:
I'm confused as to why so many people here assume dealing away Dach and getting a 2C have to be done in the same deal. Ever since the deals to get Dach in the first place, we've known Kent Hughes can set up multiple, related deals to acheive something.
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Yeah, I would say with all the picks they have in 2025 combined with their deep prospect pool, picks outside premium 1st rounders aren’t that interesting to an organization well on its way to turning prospect depth into winning.

But…as you allude to…Dach may not be appealing to that team you are trying to get a 2C from. But liquidating him into generic pick capital could be part of the equation. Either using the picks in that “other” deal or as a way to recoup some of the prospect/pick capital you lose in the 2C deal.
 
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