D Trade Targets
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Just spitballing, I could see Weegar, Carlo, Miller, Schneider, Pelech, Pulock, Marino, Kesselring, Lamoureux, Kovacevic, Korczak and Hague all making varying degrees of sense.
Of those, my preference would probably be Weegar. But that's unrealistic, given his contract status and status in Calgary. Hague, Carlo and Miller are probably the most realistic, in my opinion. Pelech could make sense (NTC becomes M-NTC on July 1st), but injuries are a bit of a concern there.
Of those, my preference would probably be Weegar. But that's unrealistic, given his contract status and status in Calgary. Hague, Carlo and Miller are probably the most realistic, in my opinion. Pelech could make sense (NTC becomes M-NTC on July 1st), but injuries are a bit of a concern there.
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Look how far we’ve come. Trade deadline add threads instead of tank threads.
CBJWerenski8
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It's hard to really say right now, a lot of it hinges on what the plans are with Provorov and Fabbro. I think conventional wisdom is that Fabbro is kept while Provorov isn't (whether thats via deadline trade or walk at the end of the year). They may keep both. They may keep neither. But I think Fabbro is a fit and they could use him regardless of his future is next to Werenski or not.
Obviously JJ is a one year thing. Either deadline deal or walk. I'm not sure Harris gets qualified (and I very much doubt it) with the young D in the pipeline pushing (Svozil, Hunt, etc)
Werenski is entrenched into the 1D spot.
Mateychuk is the future, and he's going to have a spot either on 2nd or 3rd pairing.
Other than that, its completely up for grabs.
Werenski-Fabbro
Mateychuk-Severson
Christiansen-Gudbranson
Hunt
That's how next years D looks currently (to me) factoring in what I said above.
Its pretty good, but could use more defensive presence. A shut down guy, which may push a guy like Christiansen or Gudbranson off the team.
Ideally, we get a 2nd pair shutdown RD to push Severson down to the third pairing. But I don't see that happening with Gudbranson still around.
Obviously JJ is a one year thing. Either deadline deal or walk. I'm not sure Harris gets qualified (and I very much doubt it) with the young D in the pipeline pushing (Svozil, Hunt, etc)
Werenski is entrenched into the 1D spot.
Mateychuk is the future, and he's going to have a spot either on 2nd or 3rd pairing.
Other than that, its completely up for grabs.
Werenski-Fabbro
Mateychuk-Severson
Christiansen-Gudbranson
Hunt
That's how next years D looks currently (to me) factoring in what I said above.
Its pretty good, but could use more defensive presence. A shut down guy, which may push a guy like Christiansen or Gudbranson off the team.
Ideally, we get a 2nd pair shutdown RD to push Severson down to the third pairing. But I don't see that happening with Gudbranson still around.
I think our goals against is more of a team thing, not a D specific issue. It's our not super responsible forwards and D. And it's our goalies. And it's the team's aggressive playstyle.
I'm all for making an upgrade to the D, but it should be a big upgrade, when the price is right. And that might not be soon. I don't think getting the #5 D out of Arizona is going to help us. Rasmus Andersson, Adam Pelech, those are some of the most appealing names so far. Kovacevic has supposedly been great defensively, and is about to become a UFA.
I'm all for making an upgrade to the D, but it should be a big upgrade, when the price is right. And that might not be soon. I don't think getting the #5 D out of Arizona is going to help us. Rasmus Andersson, Adam Pelech, those are some of the most appealing names so far. Kovacevic has supposedly been great defensively, and is about to become a UFA.
Agreed that two-way forwards and goalies could be targets too.
Also agreed that the D preferably should be a proven defensive top 4 D. When I mentioned some less established names earlier, it was from a point of view of CBJ getting some breakout candidates if the market for a proven defenseman isn't great.
You touch on an important point: getting a 2026 1st for Provorov instead of a 2025 one could be preferable because that gives Columbus some flexibility with regards to when to use their draft capital for defensive upgrades.
How is Rasmus Andersson's defensive game? When I've heard him discussed, he's nearly always described as an offensive defenseman.
EDIT: Doing some searching, he does at least seem to play on the PK.
EDIT: Doing some searching, he does at least seem to play on the PK.
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I agree with this assumption 100% but at the same time it gets me thinking - which defencemen play PK for us in this scenario? Provorov has been a big part of that. If Guddy had stayed healthy our PK d-pairs would have been 1. Provorov-Gudbranson 2. Werenski-Fabbro.
Or is this even a problem? Christiansen/Hunt in the first PK d-pair next year with Guddy? Is that enough for Don and Dean?
There's a few guys that jump out that could probably be had for not that much, one that comes to mind is Lauzon. A good stay a home defenseman, making only 2 million per on a bad Preds team. He'd be nice to stick Severson with and wouldn't cost much.
Another player that would make an impact at a higher level would be Pelech, good defender, not going to light it up offensively, but big and will play shutdown minutes. I'd say this is probably more of a mid tier option.
Lastly, my perfect candidate would be Dobson. #1 dman, young, good at both ends of the ice, could easily run his own pairing and would make our top 4 very solid.
That last option is more of the "dream" option as I doubt the Isles give him up easily, they'd want an overpayment most likely.
Someone mentioned Andersson, that's the better version of Provorov but a whole lot more expensive. Very good defensively and can eat big minutes, only issue is he's got one year left on his contract after this and will want big money. He'll also be 29 soon, the rumored price is a 1st, young player and prospect, that's probably too much for a potential 1 year rental based on where this team is now. I think any big trade will need to have some years under control, I rather try and go after someone like Dobson who would give the team more guaranteed years.
Another player that would make an impact at a higher level would be Pelech, good defender, not going to light it up offensively, but big and will play shutdown minutes. I'd say this is probably more of a mid tier option.
Lastly, my perfect candidate would be Dobson. #1 dman, young, good at both ends of the ice, could easily run his own pairing and would make our top 4 very solid.
That last option is more of the "dream" option as I doubt the Isles give him up easily, they'd want an overpayment most likely.
Someone mentioned Andersson, that's the better version of Provorov but a whole lot more expensive. Very good defensively and can eat big minutes, only issue is he's got one year left on his contract after this and will want big money. He'll also be 29 soon, the rumored price is a 1st, young player and prospect, that's probably too much for a potential 1 year rental based on where this team is now. I think any big trade will need to have some years under control, I rather try and go after someone like Dobson who would give the team more guaranteed years.
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punk_o_holic
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As a rental, Brian Dumoulin? Apparently he's been surprisingly decent this year.
Off season target because Pittsburgh wouldn't trade him to Columbus and I wouldn't want to give them assets. Marcus Petterson? Although no idea if he's a defensive defenseman or not.
Off season target because Pittsburgh wouldn't trade him to Columbus and I wouldn't want to give them assets. Marcus Petterson? Although no idea if he's a defensive defenseman or not.
Is it worth it to throw assets at a dman who isn't going to make the difference? Pettersson is good just not really what we need, all offense and minimal defense. 1 year rentals don't make sense for many reasons for this team.
Why would the Jets trade him in the middle of a playoff race?
I don't think Dumo is good enough.
Hard to get excited about Lauzon when Preds fans want to shoot him into the moon.
Pelech would have been considered an A tier defensive upgrade up until recently, when the Isles fell apart. Could he be a great defender in our system? I don't know. But knowing what he's capable of makes me think of him as the most tantalizing target, albeit risky because we're less sure about the system fit.
Isles fans seem pretty adamant that Dobson is painful to watch defensively. They can't stand how soft he is. It seems like he wouldn't do anything to help us around our net. He'd help us stay on the attack, but we already have guys who do that. We already have our top offensive guns so this seems like a bad idea given how much it would cost.
Rasmus Andersson would be the safest upgrade we could get, we know how he would fit. I like the comparison to Provorov - being a better defensive version of that. I think Andersson would probably be happy to extend here, many players would with the way the team is going. So I'd take that into consideration. But I understand the risk and I'd be much more eager to get him in the summer when we can talk to the player about an extension as part of the deal. I don't mind the 1st++ price tag for him, we're in a position where we should be paying for quality.
He seems like a good all around player. Jets fans always complained about his mistakes though, up until this year, and that might be team effect. Having the best goalie on the planet makes them more forgiving. I'm on the fence because he's a bit small and not a big defensive upgrade, just well rounded.
Espen said in FA.
Hard to get excited about Lauzon when Preds fans want to shoot him into the moon.
Pelech would have been considered an A tier defensive upgrade up until recently, when the Isles fell apart. Could he be a great defender in our system? I don't know. But knowing what he's capable of makes me think of him as the most tantalizing target, albeit risky because we're less sure about the system fit.
Isles fans seem pretty adamant that Dobson is painful to watch defensively. They can't stand how soft he is. It seems like he wouldn't do anything to help us around our net. He'd help us stay on the attack, but we already have guys who do that. We already have our top offensive guns so this seems like a bad idea given how much it would cost.
Rasmus Andersson would be the safest upgrade we could get, we know how he would fit. I like the comparison to Provorov - being a better defensive version of that. I think Andersson would probably be happy to extend here, many players would with the way the team is going. So I'd take that into consideration. But I understand the risk and I'd be much more eager to get him in the summer when we can talk to the player about an extension as part of the deal. I don't mind the 1st++ price tag for him, we're in a position where we should be paying for quality.
He seems like a good all around player. Jets fans always complained about his mistakes though, up until this year, and that might be team effect. Having the best goalie on the planet makes them more forgiving. I'm on the fence because he's a bit small and not a big defensive upgrade, just well rounded.
Espen said in FA.
What would a Rasmus Andersson trade even look like? Both of the two extra 1sts that Columbus would have? Plus a prospect or solid young player?
Calgary are in the wildcard race, so that certainly seems like an off-season kind of move to me.
Calgary are in the wildcard race, so that certainly seems like an off-season kind of move to me.
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Looks like his contract was back loaded and he made 7.5 last year. Maybe we can front load something like 8.5, 8, 7.5, 7, 6.5. I have a feeling Winnipeg offers more than that.
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Agreed on all counts, particularly the comparison as a superior-for-us Provorov. Andersson also should be a terrific fit given the delicacy of our locker room vis as vis the Johnny situation. Our team cohesion has to be off-the-charts right now; an "out-group" formation should be avoided at all costs. Andersson definitely avoids this risk.
I'm not in a rush to overpay asset-wise, so I do personally lean slightly toward off-season for this. But I'd say it's highly likely that if Andersson has interest in leaving CGY, he would be willing to sign with us long-term above anyone else. And you know his effort level will be maximum...a slightly upgraded Provorov + the blessing of the angels could be the type of thing that gives our sails that slight extra wind which makes the Cindarella run possible.
Worth noting, too: private conversations between players may already have gifted our locker room the "inside info" that will allow for giving all of this its proper due while also making the correct avenue clear. Overall, it's the type of difficult decision I'm grateful to have a competent GM for.
Viqsi
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Putting it mildly. OTOH, there was a similar attitude about Carrier and he seems to be doing acceptably in Montreal. I still would be loath to take the risk here tho.
Xoggz22
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I've been pushing for Andersson since the off-season and still feel he's a perfect fit. The caveat... he's only signed through next year and could be Provorov all over again if he wouldn't extend this Summer. I think adding him and keeping Fabbro as the 2nd pair RHD would put this team in a very strong position long term. Doesn't even need to be big contracts. Want to extend each for 3 years... works for me. Go 4-5 with Rasmus and 3 with Fabbro... OK. He's the top pair RHD that would be a huge boost.
If that were even possible I think you'd be looking at Provorov going out for a hopeful 1st and that would provide 2 additional 1sts (whether both this year or not, still good assets to move). We have young players to move and we have cap space to extend both without disrupting the future.
Werenski Andersson
Mateychuck Fabbro ???
Severson Gudbranson
JJ or Harris or Hunt or Christianson as an extra
That's a lot for a "bottom" pair and maybe these don't fit but for one year it's manageable and slide Severson back to the right side after Gudbranson leaves (no clue if Severson can play his off side but this would lessen his minutes and be a huge plus as a 3rd pair guy).
Just spit balling, but Andersson is the guy I chase if anyone.
If that were even possible I think you'd be looking at Provorov going out for a hopeful 1st and that would provide 2 additional 1sts (whether both this year or not, still good assets to move). We have young players to move and we have cap space to extend both without disrupting the future.
Werenski Andersson
Mateychuck Fabbro ???
Severson Gudbranson
JJ or Harris or Hunt or Christianson as an extra
That's a lot for a "bottom" pair and maybe these don't fit but for one year it's manageable and slide Severson back to the right side after Gudbranson leaves (no clue if Severson can play his off side but this would lessen his minutes and be a huge plus as a 3rd pair guy).
Just spit balling, but Andersson is the guy I chase if anyone.
Bus be real, how much have you focused on him with the Hawks in the last couple years. What do you think are the chances that this is not the exact same player you remember?
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