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D Robert Hagg (2013, 41st, PHI)

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He is got massive potential, top-pairing if everything goes right but he is way too inconsistent and not competitive at times.

I think he will actually turn out to be on of the better d-man from the draft when it's all said and done.
 
Uno Bench said:
No way the Norweigans are taller.. They are a 'mountian people', genetically smaller because of difficult living conditions in the mountains and the often rough weather up there.
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That's one of the stupidest thing I've read on these boards. For one thing, the notion that "mountain people" are "genetically smaller" is rubbish. For another, Norwegians do not generally live in mountains, either historically or presently. 90% of Norwegians live on the coast. Or is boat people genetically smaller too? For yet another, look it up rather than resort to ignorant speculation. Height is measured, and is just a google search away. And Norwegians are actually taller than Swedes.
 
One thing he has going for him is when he asked what he main problem is, he stated inconsistency. He himself said he is a few years away from the NHL and needs to become a better player who plays great consistently. One part of fixing a problem is to acknowledge it.
 
He has a really hard shot from the point. Utilizes it pretty well on the PP from what I have seen from him.

From what I have read, he has had good and bad games this year. Not surprising considering he's an 18 year old playing in men's league (SHL).
 
Roo Mad Bro said:
He has a really hard shot from the point. Utilizes it pretty well on the PP from what I have seen from him.

From what I have read, he has had good and bad games this year. Not surprising considering he's an 18 year old playing in men's league (SHL).
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Yep, and I believe it was hagg(May have been morin) that said at the draft his biggest problem and what he looks to focus on fixing is his consistency
 
jayck said:
He's showing great stats in AHL right now! Someone has seen him play ?!
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I've seen 2 AHL regular season Phantoms games so far.

Hagg is solid, but unspectacular. He's good in almost all the phases, but not really great in any.

I think he tops out as a 2nd pairing dman which is great for a 2nd round pick.
 
jayck said:
He's showing great stats in AHL right now! Someone has seen him play ?!
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He looked arguably the Phantoms best D man overall in the 10 games he played last year as well.

His overall AHL stat line now is:

15GP, 2G, 7A, 9P, 16 PIM, 33 SOG, +1

His shot from the point (slap and wrist) has stood out the most in the AHL this year. It virtually never gets blocked, is hard and causes havoc. (in his 3rd pairing role in the SHL it was the same, even though he got less chance to use it. (I am also a Modo fan who watched ~15 games of Hagg in the SHL)

In addition to the points he has garnered he also scored a goal on a lazer of a shot from the point that went top corner that was waved off as Zac Stortini got called for goalie interference. It was a bit of a soft call but Stortini was being an idiot.

In addition to his shot his positives are:

*He is a smooth, good skater, great balance, edges and poise. Though his top speed is nothing to write home about and he does not have that 'extra gear'.

*Very solid all around defensive game. His stick-work is especially strong, breaks up a lot of plays before they can become anything with his stick and skating combo.

*He plays the game in a very, very relaxed, confident manner and makes everything look absolutely easy... until he makes a mistake and it looks like arrogance. He very rarely looks rushed or panicked.

*Has a good outlet pass and generally has no problem clearing the zone.

*Strong on the boards.

His negatives:

*He is not aggressive enough offensively. He has the tools but only is not big on jumping into rushes etc. Only really showcases his offensive skills on the PP.

*Inconsistent physicality. He is a big, broad kid with a man size body (6'2 and 210lbs) who can destroy people on the boards and get nasty with forwards. But he does not do it enough, one game he will be physically dominant and the next shy away from it.

*When he gets beaten he gets beaten badly. Though it looks worse I think because of his poise and calm style.

Overall I think his NHL comparables (if he hits his potential) stylistically are a hybrid of Coburn and Hjalmarsson.

Both are big, good skaters who are very solid defensively and move the puck out well, but while big are not that intimidating or overly physically assertive.

I do think his shot is far superior to both though and for that reason he will end up on probably PP2 if he hits his potential.

So if he hits his potential:

25-30 point 2nd pairing D man who plays PK1, PP2 and tough minutes at EV.

I am a big fan of his and understand why some scouting reports had him as high as mid-1st round. He has all the tools to be a great all around D man who can play 1st pairing. But I don't think he has the mindset to be that player... he is a guy who takes care of his own zone first and takes not too many risks.

As for how close to the NHL?

He could probably play right now in a 3rd pairing role. Hard to say when he will be full time though. Next year Him, Morin, Alt and Gostisbehere will all have legitimate claims for being full time NHLers I imagine, but doubt the Flyers will go with 4 rookies (unless Ghost stays up and impresses this year) so it may be 2016-17 that is his first full year. Though I imagine he gets games before then.
 
jayck said:
Is he far from NHL?
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Unless we get hit really hard with injuries he likely won't see any time this year. Our GM is set on keeping our young prospects in the AHL for this year. Hagg's only 19 so he's likely behind two guys (Shayne Gostisbehere & Mark Alt) on the depth chart for call-up's plus his contract is eligible to slide this year as well.

Next year who knows but he'll be fighting for spots with Shayne Gostisbehere & Samuel Morin so it might be a tough feat to crack the lineup again.
 
I've been very high on Hagg since before he was drafted, I've watched him play several times.

He has top pairing potential. He's a steady, smooth skating 2 way presence with offensive flair and defensive posture. He isn't flashy but very effective.

Could be higher than top pairing or could be bottom pairing defending on how hard he works in A and NHL. He always looks like he isn't maximizing his offensive skillset though which could actually translate later in his career and more so in the NHL.
 
ReginKarlssonLehner said:
I've been very high on Hagg since before he was drafted, I've watched him play several times.

He has top pairing potential. He's a steady, smooth skating 2 way presence with offensive flair and defensive posture. He isn't flashy but very effective.

Could be higher than top pairing or could be bottom pairing defending on how hard he works in A and NHL. He always looks like he isn't maximizing his offensive skillset though which could actually translate later in his career and more so in the NHL.
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Yeah...most fans see him as the Hammer or Oduya whereas the other big 3 have the upside of a Keith or Seabrook.

And before anyone freaks out, I just mean that he is the steady one that gets little press and just does him job on every night. Whereas the others, get the headlines and highlights. Not saying the 3 kids WILL get to a Keith OT Sbrook level.
 
Hammer may be the best 3 in the league, and I don't think Hagg is ever going to become that good.

hagg kinda reminds me of larsson a bit.
 
Huffman said:
Hjalmarsson and Hägg are very different type of players.
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From what I have seen they both play a similar style. Hjalmarsson might be a better defensive player than Hagg will be but, I think Hagg possesses a little more offensive upside. I think Hagg's best comparable would be Hjalmarsson.
 
The Dream said:
From what I have seen they both play a similar style. Hjalmarsson might be a better defensive player than Hagg will be but, I think Hagg possesses a little more offensive upside. I think Hagg's best comparable would be Hjalmarsson.
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Hägg is more like Edler. His main problems are in his own end where he can be very inconsistent, at times it looks like he just doesn't care. I'd say Hjalmarsson is the exact opposite. His shot on the PP is by far his best attribute. I'm not very high on him and I highly doubt he ever becomes as good as any of the guys mentioned.
 
Huffman said:
Hägg is more like Edler. His main problems are in his own end where he can be very inconsistent, at times it looks like he just doesn't care. I'd say Hjalmarsson is the exact opposite. His shot on the PP is by far his best attribute. I'm not very high on him and I highly doubt he ever becomes as good as any of the guys mentioned.
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Hagg will probably never receive consistent PP time, thanks the the Flyers having Ghost and Sanheim would are more offensively talented, and Morin has a humongous shot, so I doubt he is on the PP if all these guys somewhat reach their potential.

If Hagg becomes as good as Edler, I'd be happy. In 2012 Edler was an all-star. And Hagg isn't inconsistent in his own end in regards to skill. Just sometimes he is a little lackadaisical. But, so far this year he has been extremely impressive on both sides of the ice. Hagg may never reach their levels, but I have a hard time not seeing him becoming an impact NHLer. He is just too skilled.
 
Huffman said:
Hägg is more like Edler. His main problems are in his own end where he can be very inconsistent, at times it looks like he just doesn't care. I'd say Hjalmarsson is the exact opposite. His shot on the PP is by far his best attribute. I'm not very high on him and I highly doubt he ever becomes as good as any of the guys mentioned.
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I personally believe that since he was drafted his defence has improved massively while his (EV) offence has not developed as many thought it would. He has the attributes to be a successful offensive player but now takes care of his own end as a priority. The PP is where he will produce most of his points from, he is really not too aggressive at EV anymore...

I think the 'lack of care' comes from his confidence defensively, we saw it at Modo, WJC and Phantoms, he makes the right play the majority of the time on D, but when he does not he gets beaten and it looks worse than it would to another player as it seemed like before the play he was playing 'lackadaisically' or 'lazily'. However, there are a lot of times when he makes a hard play look simple due to the poise and confidence.

I see him at most as a 25-30 point guy who plays PP2, PK1 and tough 2nd pairing EV minutes.

There is a reason he was on the shutdown pair at the WJC and now faces the toughest matchups on the Phantoms... his defence I think has now surpassed his offence.

His speed and stickwork are the main reasons for this, he is very effective at stopping zone entries and plays near the halfboards before anything has a chance to develop. Then he can move the puck out of the zone the majority of the time due to solid passing and skating.

From watching a lot of him I think a hybrid of Hammer and Coburn with a better shot (but slightly worse on D... both those guys are monstrous in their zone) is his ceiling.
 
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