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D Haoxi (Simon) Wang - Oshawa Generals, OHL (2025 Draft)

I've been reluctant to join this discussion because I felt it was meaningless. However, I think this thread has been increasingly veering off-topic over the past two weeks. The conversation has devolved into two sides—those supporting the kid and those opposing him—each seeking evidence to prove they’re right. It feels like those who oppose him are almost "waiting" for him to fail.
This is no longer about the player's development. Many people don't seem to care about how he progresses but rather hope he does poorly—or well—just to validate their stance over the opposing side.
As a Chinese person, I support him. But whether you like him or not, I think anyone who's watched junior hockey for years should understand the importance of patience. No player should suffer extra hostility because of some foolish "bet"
 
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FourQuarters said:
I've been reluctant to join this discussion because I felt it was meaningless. However, I think this thread has been increasingly veering off-topic over the past two weeks. The conversation has devolved into two sides—those supporting the kid and those opposing him—each seeking evidence to prove they’re right. It feels like those who oppose him are almost "waiting" for him to fail.
This is no longer about the player's development. Many people don't seem to care about how he progresses but rather hope he does poorly—or well—just to validate their stance over the opposing side.
As a Chinese person, I support him. But whether you like him or not, I think anyone who's watched junior hockey for years should understand the importance of patience. No player should suffer extra hostility because of some foolish "bet"
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Tldr: this guy is Chinese

As for my posts here, I have been critical of how bad and inefficient NHL franchises are at drafting talent in the lower rounds. That is my entire motivation here. I have written about it extensively especially regarding prospects from 2nd tier countries and how they get systematically overrated/underrated.

Frankly, I couldn't care less about this particular kid, as he is meaningless and will never play pro hockey. He's just walking proof of cognitive biases at play, which I am and will continue discussing here.
 
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Tldr: this guy is Chinese

As for my posts here, I have been critical of how bad and inefficient NHL franchises are at drafting talent in the lower rounds. That is my entire motivation here. I have written about it extensively especially regarding prospects from 2nd tier countries and how they get systematically overrated/underrated.

Frankly, I couldn't care less about this particular kid, as he is meaningless and will never play pro hockey. He's just walking proof of cognitive biases at play, which I am and will continue discussing here.
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It's kind of weird, "This guy is Chinese," and then what? A lot of the content in this thread is about the discussion of the development system of ice hockey in China, so yeah, if you and other friends want to know more about it, you can ask me.
And congrats, Team Latvia played amazing hockey on the WJC, you have every reason to be more confident, if Simon can't make Team Latvia, it is because you have a good team and many good players.❤
 
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Rabid Ranger said:
How many "physical specimens" with no feel for the game make it in professional hockey? That's the issue. If you want to spend a low round pick on him, fine. A first round selection though? That's big brain thinking.
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While I do agree with you, that’s kind of Cody Ceci. Not worth a first or second round pick but after that, it’s not bad. 31 is insane though.
 
HighLifeManIsHigh said:
Oh god.

Yes, I would be questioning why a guy that’s mostly playing jun B in Ontario is ranked in the first round. He isn’t even a regular in the OHL
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Why you guys making comments on this prospect when you clearly have no idea what is going on.

First of all OJHL = JrA

Wang is committed to BU. Gens drafted him late because of the commitment. They attempted to to get him to commit to Gens instead of BU for 2 years but he didn’t, instead played the next best hockey in Ontario, OJHL, to maintain NCAA eligibility like many prospects do. When the rules changed this fall, Gens worked as hard as they could to get him in a jersey. convinced him to sign a “B” card, meaning he could play 10 games this year while still playing in the OJHL. They eventually convinced him to sign a full card and he’s played every game since then, on a team that is all on this and traded away all of their picks, they do not care about next year.

This is like saying Makar (I know Wangs not near the prospect) wasn’t good enough for the WHL so he played in the AJHL, so why did the Avs draft him? When really every WHL team wanted him but he stayed in the AJHL to maintain NCAA eligibility.
 
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I read an interview with him and he seems like a great kid. Really motivated, spoke about how he keeps a list on paper of everything he needs to work on and chooses something new every day. I'd love to see him succeed. But if he's ranked for the end of the first round count me out. He's just too far behind to make it up IMO, but I'd love to be wrong.

It's perfectly reasonable for people to speak out when they see a player with his lack of numbers in the OJHL (this league is extremely poor these days) ranked in the first round.
 
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yessir29292 said:
Why you guys making comments on this prospect when you clearly have no idea what is going on.

First of all OJHL = JrA

Wang is committed to BU. Gens drafted him late because of the commitment. They attempted to to get him to commit to Gens instead of BU for 2 years but he didn’t, instead played the next best hockey in Ontario, OJHL, to maintain NCAA eligibility like many prospects do. When the rules changed this fall, Gens worked as hard as they could to get him in a jersey. convinced him to sign a “B” card, meaning he could play 10 games this year while still playing in the OJHL. They eventually convinced him to sign a full card and he’s played every game since then, on a team that is all on this and traded away all of their picks, they do not care about next year.

This is like saying Makar (I know Wangs not near the prospect) wasn’t good enough for the WHL so he played in the AJHL, so why did the Avs draft him? When really every WHL team wanted him but he stayed in the AJHL to maintain NCAA eligibility.
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Wang ranks 27th among defencemen in OJHL in point production. There are ca. 40 junior leagues globally of similar caliber with thousands of junior players.

What association does Makar have with Wang? There's literally no connection, no parallels to be found.

Wang is literally not good enough for OHL, as evidenced by his play there. How the f*** does Makar play into this?
 
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Namejs said:
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Wang ranks 27th among defencemen in OJHL in point production. There are ca. 40 junior leagues globally of similar caliber with thousands of junior players.

What association does Makar have with Wang? There's literally no connection, no parallels to be found.

Wang is literally not good enough for OHL, as evidenced by his play there. How the f*** does Makar play into this?
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This guy said he wasn’t a regular in the OHL because he’s playing half his games in JrB. Which is far from true
 
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