CXLV - Tempe Entertainment District citizen referendum vote upcoming May 16th

[PredsHead]

Well to have an LLC in Florida they needed a real address in Florida. That company may have been inactive for the entire 6 years as far as anyone knows. And Meruelo created the LLC.

In regards to the Arizona taxes…. XG stated the state still had an old address from back when the NHL owned the franchise and IceArizona might have even used it.

When Meruelo bought the Coyotes he setup a different location to operate from and whomever he had as staff during the takeover didn’t update the address. And we all know there was a large turnover in the subsequent months after he bought the team…. a subsequent pandemic…. etc…etc…

Not too far fetched to think the address change was overlooked. Even so XG admits it should have been on them to fix it.

Why not just use the address of the house he owned in Miami that he later sold to the Kushners?
Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner Bought This South Florida Mansion. Why would he continue to use the one address his family owns that happens to be going into disrepair and being sued by the city? It seems like they owned lots of property in South Florida.

Alex Meruelo and his team bought tens if not hundreds of companies before they took over the Coyotes, to think they just forgot to change address on the most important documents of the biggest deal he's ever done just doesn't add up to me.

 

[TheLegend]

Why not just use the address of the house he owned in Miami that he later sold to the Kushners?
Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner Bought This South Florida Mansion. Why would he continue to use the one address his family owns that happens to be going into disrepair and being sued by the city? It seems like they owned lots of property in South Florida.

Alex Meruelo and his team bought tens if not hundreds of companies before they took over the Coyotes, to think they just forgot to change address on the most important documents of the biggest deal he's ever done just doesn't add up to me.

I believe you’re overthinking this a bit.

Which is honestly easy for anyone to do and I’ve done it myself. But there just isn’t enough evidence out there that ties Alex to what the rest of the family does.

That’s not saying there couldn’t be. But for now it’s too inconclusive.

 

[Llama19]

Debate fallout...

 

[TheLegend]

Debate fallout...

It’s happening to signs from both sides, Llama. I could have posted a tweet yesterday from Randy Keating where he found a Tempe Wins sign was kicked down so hard it bent the rebar. But this is nothing more than sidetracking the subject of discussion here.

Some people just don’t like campaign signs period. Others just like to act stupid.

 

[Llama19]

To be fair...and balanced then...

 

[TheLegend]

To be fair...and balanced then...

Not really the point but…. I know you gonna do you.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Not really the point but…. I know you gonna do you.

Ah, if only everyone could get $787 million from their opponents so those opponents could avoid admitting spreading misinformation.

 

[aqib]

It’s happening to signs from both sides, Llama. I could have posted a tweet yesterday from Randy Keating where he found a Tempe Wins sign was kicked down so hard it bent the rebar. But this is nothing more than sidetracking the subject of discussion here.

Some people just don’t like campaign signs period. Others just like to act stupid.

Sign Wars are common in any political campaign. When I worked campaigns in the states everyone did it. It was more stealing signs of the opponent or placing your campaign's signs in places that would annoy them rather than vandalizing.

 

[PredsHead]

More on the $32k on Tempe1st's PAC filings:

 

[Llama19]

More on the $32k on Tempe1st's PAC filings:

Maybe...that 'unaccounted' for $225,000...was for sign removal and black spray paint...

 

[TheLegend]

More on the $32k on Tempe1st's PAC filings:

I'm finding that very plausible.

Also finding it implausible there's no way to fix it because they can apparently correct it.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

I can't imagine vandalizing a sign for a referendum on a zoning/development issue, even if I was vehemently against the development, or vehemently for the development.

Like I would never do so, but I at least understand the emotions behind a candidate's sign getting vandalized/stolen.

 

[Yukon Joe]

Sign Wars are common in any political campaign. When I worked campaigns in the states everyone did it. It was more stealing signs of the opponent or placing your campaign's signs in places that would annoy them rather than vandalizing.

+1

I used to be very politically active, was even a campaign manager in both Federal and Provincial candidates. Damage/theft of election signs is just a thing that happens. It's never proven to be connected to the opposite side.

 

[aqib]

+1

I used to be very politically active, was even a campaign manager in both Federal and Provincial candidates. Damage/theft of election signs is just a thing that happens. It's never proven to be connected to the opposite side.

Its never proven but I've seen it. Honestly it's more gamesmanship than anything else. I was on a mayor's race and the opponent tried to plant signs in front of our campaign office then filmed our volunteer removing them and threatened to send the video to the CBS station. I dared him to do it. I would have been happy to get the publicity. Meanwhile our staff went and planted signs all over the street where our opponent lived.

 

[tucker3434]

I can't imagine vandalizing a sign for a referendum on a zoning/development issue, even if I was vehemently against the development, or vehemently for the development.

Like I would never do so, but I at least understand the emotions behind a candidate's sign getting vandalized/stolen.

Very childish.

 

[mouser]

+1

I used to be very politically active, was even a campaign manager in both Federal and Provincial candidates. Damage/theft of election signs is just a thing that happens. It's never proven to be connected to the opposite side.

When I was young our house was located adjacent to a small roundabout where five streets converged. The roundabout was always prime political sign planting territory.

My dad would pull all the new signs each morning, regardless of party or candidate. Didn’t like all that junk in front of our house. Would usually get 50-100 of them each election cycle.

 

[TheLegend]

FWIW…. At this point I’m going to try and put the Seidman Research study up somewhere so everyone can get it and read the entire thing rather than getting editorialized bits and pieces.

My source location belongs to the person running Tempe Wins. It’s his realty business site so there’s no real guarantee it will stay there.

But I have a copy of it on my PC, and if it comes to it I’ll screenshot all 14 pages and put up thumbnails. Just can’t guarantee it’ll be readable.

 

[PredsHead]

FWIW…. At this point I’m going to try and put the Seidman Research study up somewhere so everyone can get it and read the entire thing rather than getting editorialized bits and pieces.

My source location belongs to the person running Tempe Wins. It’s his realty business site so there’s no real guarantee it will stay there.

But I have a copy of it on my PC, and if it comes to it I’ll screenshot all 14 pages and put up thumbnails. Just can’t guarantee it’ll be readable.

I have a copy as well I got from directly emailing the Rose + Allyn PR firm and I didn't sign or agree to anything just sent an email and then got a reply with it attached. Took about 36 hours to get the email back from them. @mouser any rules against me posting it here? Doesn't appear to be anything saying it is anyway protected material or that it cannot be republished without consent. Looks like the file is under 500 KB so shouldn't be too big to upload

 

[Llama19]

I have a copy as well I got from directly emailing the Rose + Allyn PR firm and I didn't sign or agree to anything just sent an email and then got a reply with it attached. Took about 36 hours to get the email back from them. @mouser any rules against me posting it here? Doesn't appear to be anything saying it is anyway protected material or that it cannot be republished without consent. Looks like the file is under 500 KB so shouldn't be too big to upload

According to this site's rules...the entire content cannot be posted...

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• Discussions of piracy techniques

 

[PredsHead]

According to this site's rules...the entire content cannot be posted...

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Yeah I read that and you are probably correct. Just curious since neither Tempe Wins nor Seidman have the report available on their websites or social media there really isn't a source to visit.

 

[mouser]

I have a copy as well I got from directly emailing the Rose + Allyn PR firm and I didn't sign or agree to anything just sent an email and then got a reply with it attached. Took about 36 hours to get the email back from them. @mouser any rules against me posting it here? Doesn't appear to be anything saying it is anyway protected material or that it cannot be republished without consent. Looks like the file is under 500 KB so shouldn't be too big to upload

By default everything is copyrighted in the US. Any postings on HFB have to follow copyright Fair Use principles unless you were given explicit permission to post the entire material, or the material was released in a way indicating it could be copied in entirety, such as releasing the study as a Press Release.

Under the Fair Use principles you can post excerpts of the study with appropriate citation and commentary.

Hoping the full study is publicly released soon. There are some interesting elements and differences in the GCI approach vs Seidman’s approach I’d enjoy discussing. But without being able to post the full studies it’s not going to be as insightful to most readers here if they can’t view both full documents for themselves.

 

[PredsHead]

By default everything is copyrighted in the US. Any postings on HFB have to follow copyright Fair Use principles unless you were given explicit permission to post the entire material, or the material was released in a way indicating it could be copied in entirety, such as releasing the study as a Press Release.

Under the Fair Use principles you can post excerpts of the study with appropriate citation and commentary.

Hoping the full study is publicly released soon. There are some interesting elements and differences in the GCI approach vs Seidman’s approach I’d enjoy discussing. But without being able to post the full studies it’s not going to be as insightful to most readers here if they can’t view both full documents for themselves.

Thanks for the clarification, I figured it would be something along those lines but since it was a bit of an odd case it might be worth asking. I double checked the email I received and it has nothing but the report itself. The original press release from Tempe Wins just asks for media to email for a copy of the report nothing else.

 

[Llama19]

Thanks for the clarification, I figured it would be something along those lines but since it was a bit of an odd case it might be worth asking. I double checked the email I received and it has nothing but the report itself. The original press release from Tempe Wins just asks for media to email for a copy of the report nothing else.

I am not surprised...as Meruelo's organization is doing what they do best...
which is to control their messaging...through press releases...
but when it comes to their paid analysis reports...
sorry...we will not make them available to the general public...
while disparage any opposing analysis...already released to the public...

 

[TheLegend]

I am not surprised...as Meruelo's organization is doing what they do best...
which is to control their messaging...through press releases...
but when it comes to their paid analysis reports...
sorry...we will not make them available to the general public...
while disparage any opposing analysis...already released to the public...

Except they made the report available to the media via email and gave a contact at the bottom of the release.

That’s hardly trying to “control the message.”

Particularly when GCI had a copy the next day and decided to poke the bear first with their “pie in the sky” retort.

So let’s not pretend GCI is some shining knight here. That dog ain’t gonna hunt.

 

[Fairview]

Except they made the report available to the media via email and gave a contact at the bottom of the release.

That’s hardly trying to “control the message.”

Particularly when GCI had a copy the next day and decided to poke the bear first with their “pie in the sky” retort.

So let’s not pretend GCI is some shining knight here. That dog ain’t gonna hunt.

“Pie in the sky “ is a more apt description of the Seidman report. Ignoring more than 25 years of actual data by using absolute best case scenario in their report and ignoring any possible shortcomings is definitely dreaming. But as was said, Mereulo paid good money for that report