Currently the best & worst rebuilds ongoing

[JD1]

well since were arguing, I'd say some of the pieces on both those teams haven't proven much yet either. Is Lindstom going to be fully healthy or is this chronic?
Everyone, especially the usual non-habs fan experts have written hutson off...
We'll all let you believe it when you see it, beyond your belief being only an opinion.
Habs have tremendous, org depth and some terrific complimentary pieces like Beck and lots of young D beyond Guhle and hutson including Mailloux, Engstrom and Reinbacher.
Hage and Demidov were very good picks. Hage projects as a 2C right now. They have an elite goalie prospect in Fowler and several picks in the the 1st 3 rounds this summer.
They have slafkovsky and Caufield.

Suzuki is also 25. He's not in a rebuilding windows




how many proven high end C's are in the league? How many of them (1Cs) already) are on rebuilding teams?

I get the depth. I get the complimentary pieces

But here's the thing having watched ottawa come through a rebuild.....some night the best 3 - 5 players in the game are on the other team. DJ Smith, since fired, last year said it was the first year in his tenure where some nights they had maybe the best two or three players

Elite players make elite plays and win hockey games

In Montreal, IF Hutson develops into a top D 3 years down the road, you still won't have the best players most nights. 3 years from now, Suzuki is hoping to extend his prime and most nights the 1C on the other side is a better player

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Buffalo is the best rebuild in the league, 13 losses in a row is a great achievement.

 

[HabzSauce]

Jacob Fowler is not “high end talent?” Add him to Demidov, Hage and Reinbacher (hopefully) and you have plenty of high end talent not yet on the team yet. The success of the rebuild will come down to how well HuGo can build around the edges with trades and UFA signings.

Nah I meant players. Reinbacher needs to prove himself before I call him high end talent. So two guys, demidov and Hage.

Fowler looks great, we'll see

 

[The Last Red]

Nah I meant players. Reinbacher needs to prove himself before I call him high end talent. So two guys, demidov and Hage.

Fowler looks great, we'll see

Demidov could be a franchise type player, which is the equivalent, roughly, of 2-3 high end prospects.

 

[HabzSauce]

Demidov could be a franchise type player, which is the equivalent, roughly, of 2-3 high end prospects.

Definitely but he plays wing.

Where is our dynamic #1C and #1D?

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

This thread will be a fun read in 2-3 years from now.

 

[Ezpz]

Worst gotta be Detroit and Buffalo.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

i think it's a little early to call any of sj's pieces as elite.

Maybe a bit early, but as a fan of another Cali team (ie no pro Sharks bias whatsoever) - I have very little doubt about Celebrini being an elite player. He's too good to miss, barring injuries.

 

[goonybird]

The Devils went out the exact worst way any team could - every valuable piece left as a free agent, retired, or fled the continent except for 2. The roster straight up aged out and f***ed off. I'm actually surprised it "only" took this long. I'm sure winning the lottery countless times had nothing to do with it

 

[Llewzaher]

You cant be serious lol

They are 2 points out of 3 rd place now so it’s not out of the realm of possibility

 

[lakeshirts37]

They are 2 points out of 3 rd place now so it’s not out of the realm of possibility

Um my comment was directed at you saying they are only in the 4th year of a rebuild. Thats when Armstrong started. Chayka was absolutely rebuilding before that.

 

[Stephen]

I feel like most teams in the rebuilding cycle are not thriving right now because of the relatively poor quality of prospects at the top of the draft in the years around the pandemic. Maybe these kids just need a little or a lot more time before they find themselves due to missing time earlier in their development years, but when you look at the 2020-2024 drafts, there aren't a whole lot of top 5 picks who were impact players right away.

 

[Llewzaher]

Um my comment was directed at you saying they are only in the 4th year of a rebuild. Thats when Armstrong started. Chayka was absolutely rebuilding before that.

Ah I get what you are saying.. you could be right

I don’t think Chayka was doing what you call rebuilding… we were just bad , .. he was always trading away our assets to try to buy players to win now . Taylor Hall , Phil Kessel etc

Most of his trades traded away our youth for more established players ..

He did take on bad contracts for sure But then traded them away

This could have been pressure from the owners .. to win and keep fans coming ? Never worked

BA was the first one to totally destroy and rebuild from the ground up … starting with front office, scouting department, fitness, players etc

 

[tnnr]

Idk if serious...

4 really solid prospects for 2 months of guentzel
3rd + 5th for Eller (rental)
Added Rutger Mcgoarty, Philip Tomasino
3rd + 6th for taking on Cody Glass
2nd + 5th for Reilly Smith
2nd + 3rd for taking on Kevin Hayes

For a team that cannot completely commit to a rebuild. In the last year he has added a slew of picks and some really good prospects.

He'll flip Hayes/Glass/Grezlyk/Pettersson for picks at the TDL and some of these prospects will get a chance.

 

[BlueSeal]

I think the length of the rebuild so far needs to be taken into consideration.

The Sharks, two years ago were burdened with the worst prospect pool and a plethora of bad, unmovable contracts for several years. Now they have A/A+ prospects at every position and need to scratch and claw their way just to reach the floor. The only two heavy contacts are Logan, who looks on the verge of retirement, and Vlasic, who only has a couple of years left.

Obviously I'm biased, but it's hard not to be impressed with how Grier has navigated the rebuild in such a short period of time.

Grier has been amazing and gets one thousandth of the credit he should. And I'm no Sharks fan. You got to respect the hard work he and his staff have put in.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

4 really solid prospects for 2 months of guentzel
3rd + 5th for Eller (rental)
Added Rutger Mcgoarty, Philip Tomasino
3rd + 6th for taking on Cody Glass
2nd + 5th for Reilly Smith
2nd + 3rd for taking on Kevin Hayes

For a team that cannot completely commit to a rebuild. In the last year he has added a slew of picks and some really good prospects.

He'll flip Hayes/Glass/Grezlyk/Pettersson for picks at the TDL and some of these prospects will get a chance.

He gave a first for E. Karlsson and a 2nd to get rid of Petry (to accomodate that same trade). He added McGroarty by giving Yager. Good for you if you are happy with a few mid round picks, but let's not pretend this is anything more than middle of the pack.

 

[Star Platinum]

i think it's a little early to call any of sj's pieces as elite.

I am prepared to call Celebrini elite right now. We'll see on Askarov, but signs are promising. Everyone else, we'll see.

 

[voyageur]

I'd say Calgary's rebuild is going the best right now. They took so many players and picks in trades, and most importantly they centered their rebuild around goaltending.

Honorable mention to Utah, who are trending in the right direction at last.

Scorers/high end talent surrounded with poor defenses/goalies will take long a long time to develop.

Exhibit A Detroit. San Jose will have to solve their goaltending to make bigger strides.

Ottawa just did and they have separated from the rebuild pack. Although they are not technically rebuilding, with a more veteran core, other than the UND presence that is maturing on the team, and Ridly Greig.

I think Columbus is in a pretty good place in their rebuild. But again goaltending.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

no one knows how Reinbacher, Guhle or Hage projects yet. Demidov may be tried at C.
I wouldn't give up on Dach just yet and habs have like 7 picks in the top 50 next summer.
I would also say a point per game C is better than mid

By mid, he could be saying Suzuki is somewhere between 16-22th best centre in the league. That would be pretty accurate.

 

[HuGo Sham]

By mid, he could be saying Suzuki is somewhere between 16-22th best centre in the league. That would be pretty accurate.

That’s a very good C. He’s a point per game, 2-way C. Teams like the blues and bruins won a cup with two of these guys in the lineup. It’s possible to win with a couple of high end Cs that aren’t game breakers.
I’m aware Habs are one short

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Ah I get what you are saying.. you could be right

I don’t think Chayka was doing what you call rebuilding… we were just bad , .. he was always trading away our assets to try to buy players to win now . Taylor Hall , Phil Kessel etc

Most of his trades traded away our youth for more established players ..

He did take on bad contracts for sure But then traded them away

This could have been pressure from the owners .. to win and keep fans coming ? Never worked

BA was the first one to totally destroy and rebuild from the ground up … starting with front office, scouting department, fitness, players etc

They were still unintentionally rebuilding by virtue of all the high first round draft picks they acquired the past decade plus.

 

[dirtydanglez]

if your a cup contender and suzuki is your 1c then you want to have a top 5 winger on his side. ideally suzuki is a 2c on a cup contender

 

[blueandgoldguy]

That’s a very good C. He’s a point per game, 2-way C. Teams like the blues and bruins won a cup with two of these guys in the lineup. It’s possible to win with a couple of high end Cs that aren’t game breakers.
I’m aware Habs are one short

He is a very good C. He's just not a top-10 C. O'Reilly was a top-10 C playing an elite two-way game for the Blues. Bergeron was also a top-10 C in the league who happened to be the best two-way player in the league for a long time. Can Suzuki achieve that level of two-way play? I don't know, but he isn't there yet.