Crouse

[Mangosteen]

Last year must of been hard on the players and family. Most of the year Crouse seemed disinterested or distracted. Yes he's big, but should have strong trade value. Would you trade him for a center or Dman or hold onto him.

I would try and move him for a player like Necas.Hopefully Geekie will replace Crouse in 2025 season. What are your thoughts?

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[Heldig]

There would be a LOT of teams clamoring for him. Which means he is probably too valuable to the Utahs to trade.

 

[MIGs Dog]

I'd trade him for a top pairing defenseman. Is that possible?

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

I'd trade him for a top pairing defenseman. Is that possible?

Only way that works is if you trade for a top Dman who is young but on a bad team. You can't go and blow a wad on an old Dman and give him 7yr deal. Wouldn't be good.

I'd still rather go after a Ferraro type, someone who isn't going to break the bank, but is good on the D side of the puck, which will help the PK.

 

[Heldig]

I'd trade him for a top pairing defenseman. Is that possible?

Top pairing? Dont see it. A n umber 3 with similar term such as Brandon Carlos might be possible.

 

[Grimes]

I feel like Crouse right now is a player that you would realize how much you missed once he is gone.

If he can play bigger more consistently than I think he becomes a player like Wilson or Jenner or a healthy Josh Anderson. AAs we get more competitive we are going to want more players like him rather than less.

So yeah while his last half of the season was pretty underwhelming I'd rather now move him. I think as soon as he was gone we'd wonder why the hell we moved him.

How many players are out there like him?

 

[Grimes]

Crouse also seems a little bit like a big giant power forward who's in touch with his emotions. It would not surprise me if the relocation rumors affected him more than anyone else on the team. His play completely fell off around the time the talks started up.

 

[Mangosteen]

Even if Crouse and picks got us someone like Power? The crappy part with trades is it takes good players to get good players.

 

[DustyDangler]

Last year must of been hard on the players and family. Most of the year Crouse seemed disinterested or distracted. Yes he's big, but should have strong trade value. Would you trade him for a center or Dman or hold onto him.

I would try and move him for a player like Necas.Hopefully Geekie will replace Crouse in 2025 season. What are your thoughts?

I don't believe Crouse was disinterested. He had a stretch where he was one of the hottest players in the NHL and a stretch where he went cold. It's not just that he is big but he is big and hits. Similar in age, Crouse has over 1,000 more hits than Necas along with more blocks than him while Necas wins on assists and in the last two years only has 6 more goals than Crouse. Evolving hockey projects Necas landing a $7.5m long term deal. I do not believe the UHC would be getting $3m+ worth of value out of him vs Crouse who has a fair $4.3 through 26-27. Finally, while we don't know due to a lack of playoff experience but...Crouse is the type of player that brings more value to the playoffs than a Necas 0.5 points per game type. In sum, this move would be a hard no from me.

 

[lanky]

Even if Crouse and picks got us someone like Power? The crappy part with trades is it takes good players to get good players.

Crouse plus 6 OA might get us Power, if Buffalo is looking to trade him. It would hurt but I would probably pull the trigger.
If they're not looking to trade him then we'd have to offer more than it would be worth.

 

[Mangosteen]

Great point Dusty.

For Power I was hopeful for Crouse and next year's first unprotected.

 

[SR]

You guys are massively over valuing Power. An unprotected 1st? 6OA? Plus Crouse. Power doesn’t have that value.

Use the 6 on best dman available. Chip those 2nds to shore up the blue line until Lameroux and Simishev are ready to go.

Simishev is going to be a monster.

 

[hbk]

You guys are massively over valuing Power. An unprotected 1st? 6OA? Plus Crouse. Power doesn’t have that value.

Use the 6 on best dman available. Chip those 2nds to shore up the blue line until Lameroux and Simishev are ready to go.

Simishev is going to be a monster.

I think we would ask for one of their small speedy wing prospects as well. They have about 20 of them. Buff has a type

 

[SR]

I think we would ask for one of their small speedy wing prospects as well. They have about 20 of them. Buff has a type

I get that. I’m still not shelling out 6OA and Crouse for Owen Power, let alone an unprotected 1st.

 

[DustyDangler]

You guys are massively over valuing Power. An unprotected 1st? 6OA? Plus Crouse. Power doesn’t have that value.

Use the 6 on best dman available. Chip those 2nds to shore up the blue line until Lameroux and Simishev are ready to go.

Simishev is going to be a monster.

Agreed. No big reason to overpay for anyone at this stage.

“To lose patience is to lose the battle.” —Mahatma Gandhi

 

[hbk]

I get that. I’m still not shelling out 6OA and Crouse for Owen Power, let alone an unprotected 1st.

You are likely correct. Our coach has Power right now at worlds. If he goes to BA about Power being a top pairing guy who in his mind is better than the options we are looking at with 6 then i may be tempted to listen to the coach and ask for a Savoie type prospect. My bro is a Sabres fan and he laughed when i suggested this. No interest on that return.

 

[Jakey53]

You guys are massively over valuing Power. An unprotected 1st? 6OA? Plus Crouse. Power doesn’t have that value.

Use the 6 on best dman available. Chip those 2nds to shore up the blue line until Lameroux and Simishev are ready to go.

Simishev is going to be a monster.

I thought the deal was Crouse and next years 1st round unprotected?

 

[Mangosteen]

That's what I would offer. I believe it would help us out incredibly well. Dman take more time to develop. We have very little in the pipeline for a number 1 Dman. Odds are Buffalo would still say no.

Wish they would

Hopefully Simishev can become a number 2. Until he's over here and playing 20 minutes a game I still rank him as a project. Hopefully Geekie will replace Crouse.

 

[SR]

I thought the deal was Crouse and next years 1st round unprotected?

Which is even worse. Few players you send an unprotected first for and Power isn’t one of them. All in my opinion of course.

You are likely correct. Our coach has Power right now at worlds. If he goes to BA about Power being a top pairing guy who in his mind is better than the options we are looking at with 6 then i may be tempted to listen to the coach and ask for a Savoie type prospect. My bro is a Sabres fan and he laughed when i suggested this. No interest on that return.

6OA for Power and Savoie, sounds much better. But leans in favor of us.

 

[Heldig]

Which is even worse. Few players you send an unprotected first for and Power isn’t one of them. All in my opinion of course.


6OA for Power and Savoie, sounds much better. But leans in favor of us.

6 OA for both is a STEAL.

IMO Buffalo is looking for help NOW so trading a bluechip blueliner for another future pick is likely of little interest.

 

[Prestigeworldwide]

I think we need more players like Crouse. Dont even whisper his name in trade rumors.

 

[Schemp]

Agreed. No big reason to overpay for anyone at this stage.

“To lose patience is to lose the battle.” —Mahatma Gandhi

I kinda disagree

Example:
Stamkos on a 1 year (then do the 35yo bonus-laden contract the next season).

But I do agree with the premise, but we still need to get over the floor (strange to have to say this). Expecting quite a few ELCs on the roster. Might as well give it to someone that deserves it and only for a year.

 

[Schemp]

I think we need more players like Crouse. Dont even whisper his name in trade rumors.

In a whisper "pssst, wanna buy Crouse, give you a good deal, but you gotta decide quick before Bill finds out!"

 

[GhostofTommyBolin]

I'd trade him for a top pairing defenseman. Is that possible?

No.

 

[rams]

Buffalo fans certainly would luv Crouse, but... Utah does NOT want Power

Cannot defend, can't/won't hit. Weak shot.

The No. 6 pic should be used on a real defenceman like Buium or Dickinson. Might have to wait a year or two but worth it.