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Crosby a clutch player?

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Lonny Bohonos said:
Toews did in fact get the game winner but was it clutch? It was in the first period. Not what I would define as clutch.

Having said that what Crosbys goal did despite not being the GWG was give Canada some much needed breathing room in a game that can change on a dime.

Both Toews and Crosby played well despite not getting a ton of points and both came through when it mattered most.

To two great players: :handclap:
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If were using that logic, than Kunitz is the clutchest clutch player in this tournament because he gave Canada even MORE breathing room in the third period :sarcasm:

It might just be me, but I sticking with Toews with the clutchness. Crosby was clutch in 2010 but it was Toews yesterday,
 
LeighDx13 said:
If were using that logic, than Kunitz is the clutchest clutch player in this tournament because he gave Canada even MORE breathing room in the third period :sarcasm:

It might just be me, but I sticking with Toews with the clutchness. Crosby was clutch in 2010 but it was Toews yesterday,
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Not really.

The game was 1-0 heading to the end of the second.
 
Beef Invictus said:
Crosby hasn't proven to be all that "clutch" in international tournaments, tending to show up in a game or two. His last few NHL Playoff performances haven't really been "clutch" either...but how much of that is on his coach and GM, and the realities of a capped league?

But...meh. I don't really buy into the concept of "clutch." I've seen too many stats that show it doesn't really exist, and given enough sample size the high stakes game production tends to resemble closely the regular game production.

Where Crosby might suffer is that his playstyle is perfect for the NHL, but doesn't seem to translate to International Play. Whether or not that's a negative is a matter of opinion. Clearly, I don't think that affects his status as an NHL player, but 20 years from now it's worth taking into account for his "overall global" status. He's one player where it may be worth ranking as NHL, and then ranking separately as all-time.
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Given that the 'game or two' are the most important ones of the tourney, and that he has much more pressure on him to deliver than any other player, isn't this the very definition of clutch?

Can't see where you can make a case for his "global" status being less given his performance on the world's biggest stage in the biggest game. If racking up points against inferior opponents is important then add his 2006 WHC's stats to the mix and it really isn't less impressive than his NHL career.
 
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TAnnala said:
Yes, but not any more clutch than most star players. But he isn't some kind of disappointment in big games, like some wan't us to believe.
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Pretty much this. He doesn't famously elevate his game like some players do i.e. Briere, he's just keeps doing what he does, and usually that translates into better than anyone else.

Just as important though, he does whatever it takes to win. In the 2009 SC finals and this year's OG, he showed an ability to play within himself and put the team above personal performance.

IMO, when all is said and done, this should set himself apart from some other players with similar or even better stats.
 
illpucks said:
Nope. 1st goal was a fluke and a very stoppable shot from Miller, he saves that 99 out of 100 times. 2nd goal was a bad giveaway by the only non-NHL player on Sweden. That doesn't make Crosby clutch. If he was clutch he would have scored vs Boston when his helmet got knocked off in overtime. He played much better in that OT than the Gold Medal game but couldn't deliver. THAT would have been clutch. These 2 occasions he got lucky or very favorable breaks. Lebron sealing a 2 point lead with a 3 pointer with 0.1 seconds is clutch. Crosby is not even close with those plays.
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So in other words until he goes end to end and puts it in the top corner against the other team's top defense pairing in OT, he'll never be even close to clutch.
 
The golden goal was nothing special at all except for the timing. Iginla did most of the work and it was a weak goal to be honest.

His goal yesterday was fantastic but ultimately an insurance goal.

In my opinion a lot of what people call "clutch" is opportunity.
 
BraveCanadian said:
The golden goal was nothing special at all except for the timing. Iginla did most of the work and it was a weak goal to be honest.
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Iginla brought the puck in the zone, won the board battle, passed to Iginla, beat the defender to the net, called for the pass and beat the hottest goalie in the world?
 
He's just an amazing player, who is his usual amazing self in clutch situations.
 
BraveCanadian said:
The golden goal was nothing special at all except for the timing. Iginla did most of the work and it was a weak goal to be honest.

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You seem to be a bit bitter about the goal still.The goal was pretty much all Crosby. Crosby always seems to score these "weak" goals on Miller. As he did earlier in the tournament.Or maybe he as a 50 goal scorer and a player who has owned Miller in his career knows how to score goals on him.
 
SteelFish87 said:
he's the most clutch player in the world right now
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I don't think he raises his game necessarily, but he certainly does not lower it.

His game is the best in the world so certainly it leads to opportunities to be clutch.
 
Lets look at some playoff numbers:

Playoff points per game:
Crosby 1.280 (4th all-time)
Malkin 1.169
Giroux 1.100
St. Louis 1.079
Ovechkin 1.052
Briere 1.009
-After that nobody else is even a point per game player in the post-season.

Most playoff points since Crosby entered the league:
Zetterberg 109
Briere 106
Crosby 105 -5th fastest to 100 points ever
Malkin 97
Datsyuk 91
Franzen 79

Most playoff assists since Crosby entered the league:
Crosby 65
Thornton 63
Malkin 61
Briere 58
Datsyuk 58
Zetterberg 57

Most playoff goals since Crosby entered the league:
Zetterberg 52
Briere 48
Franzen 42
Crosby 40
Marleau 38

Most points in a post-season since Crosby entered the league:
Malkin 36
Crosby 31 - 26th best all-time, led playoffs in goals
Briere 30
Toews 29
Kane 28
Staal 28
Crosby 27 - Led playoffs in points and assists
Zetterberg 27

Most goals in a post-season since Crosby entered the league:
Crosby 15 - 16th most of all-time
Malkin 14
Zetterberg 13
Briere 12
Richards 12
Hossa 12
Franzen 12

Most assists in a post-season since Crosby entered the league:
Malkin 22
Toews 22
Crosby 21 - 20th best all-time
Staal 19
Briere 18
Kane 18

Worst single post-season ppg by players on above lists:
Crosby 1.0 - better than almost every players career average
Malkin 0.8
Giroux 0.8
Staal 0.8
Briere 0.6
Kane 0.6
Toews 0.5
Zetterberg 0.2
Franzen 0.2
Ovechkin 0.2
Richards 0.1
Thornton 0
Marleau 0

-Crosby is in the top 4 of all these stats.
 
The best part about threads like this, is that people who don't like Crosby are just going to say no. Crosby has 1.2 ppg in the playoffs, so yes, obviously he is clutch.
 
illpucks said:
Nope. 1st goal was a fluke and a very stoppable shot from Miller, he saves that 99 out of 100 times. 2nd goal was a bad giveaway by the only non-NHL player on Sweden. That doesn't make Crosby clutch. If he was clutch he would have scored vs Boston when his helmet got knocked off in overtime. He played much better in that OT than the Gold Medal game but couldn't deliver. THAT would have been clutch. These 2 occasions he got lucky or very favorable breaks. Lebron sealing a 2 point lead with a 3 pointer with 0.1 seconds is clutch. Crosby is not even close with those plays.
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Agreed, This is why we both agree that Bobby Orr is overrated and not clutch at all. He scored an OT winner to win the cup sure, but it was only in game 4!!!!!! Not to mention, the puck was passed to him by a Sanderson, so Sanderson is more clutch! What people fail to mention is that Orr was in the slot! What kind of D-man does that?

Me and you also both agree that Patrick Kane's cup winning goal against Philly wasn't clutch because it was through the legs of Leighton and everyone knows Leighton is a bad goalie, and that was a soft goal.

I agree about the Lebron thing. Jordan wasn't clutch either, because the game winning shot he got against the Jazz dubbed his "final shot" (yeah right) should have been a push-off. It was clearly an offensive foul, so Jordan isn't clutch because he took a foul with the game on the line. And Jordan's other big shot against the Cavs in the 89 Eastern Conference first round? Circus shot fluke. Should've never gone in. Absolute BS.
 
TAnnala said:
We often tend to idolize our favorite players and give them labels they necessary don't deserve.

Crosby is the best player on planet and he can handle the pressure as much as the next star-player. He is not historically good in big games, nor is he bad. He is just Crosby.

Players who "step it up" in the big games get a lot of credit in NA. Which I find kind of stupid. For example:
Fedorov, the guy was definitely money on playoffs. And he gets a lot of praise from it. But the fact is that he was not playing over his abilities in the playoffs, he was playing under his abilities in regular season. The guy gets treated as a god for taking 80% of the time he works lightly? :huh:

But this is about Crosby. He is as clutch as any regular star player. Not shining in the spot but not laying much eggs either.
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I think you said it best. Crosby doesn't seem to have anything about him that makes him clutch or a choker. He's an incredible player, regardless of how much I hate him. I just don't think a focus on his playing style is on how good he is in big games. It's been proven a team can ride him to the Finals, and that's all that really matters.

He finds the back of the net more than any other player and that makes him what he is what he is.
 
Beau Knows said:
Lets look at some playoff numbers:

Playoff points per game:
Crosby 1.280 (4th all-time)
Malkin 1.169
Giroux 1.100
St. Louis 1.079
Ovechkin 1.052
Briere 1.009
-After that nobody else is even a point per game player in the post-season.

Most playoff points since Crosby entered the league:
Zetterberg 109
Briere 106
Crosby 105 -5th fastest to 100 points ever
Malkin 97
Datsyuk 91
Franzen 79

Most playoff assists since Crosby entered the league:
Crosby 65
Thornton 63
Malkin 61
Briere 58
Datsyuk 58
Zetterberg 57

Most playoff goals since Crosby entered the league:
Zetterberg 52
Briere 48
Franzen 42
Crosby 40
Marleau 38

Most points in a post-season since Crosby entered the league:
Malkin 36
Crosby 31 - 26th best all-time, led playoffs in goals
Briere 30
Toews 29
Kane 28
Staal 28
Crosby 27 - Led playoffs in points and assists
Zetterberg 27

Most goals in a post-season since Crosby entered the league:
Crosby 15 - 16th most of all-time
Malkin 14
Zetterberg 13
Briere 12
Richards 12
Hossa 12
Franzen 12

Most assists in a post-season since Crosby entered the league:
Malkin 22
Toews 22
Crosby 21 - 20th best all-time
Staal 19
Briere 18
Kane 18

Worst single post-season ppg by players on above lists:
Crosby 1.0 - better than almost every players career average
Malkin 0.8
Giroux 0.8
Staal 0.8
Briere 0.6
Kane 0.6
Toews 0.5
Zetterberg 0.2
Franzen 0.2
Ovechkin 0.2
Richards 0.1
Thornton 0
Marleau 0

-Crosby is in the top 4 of all these stats.
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Stats are for losers.
 
I don't believe in "clutch." I do believe in players who up their performances in the clutch, and Crosby (and Toews) both did that for Team Canada this Olympics. They both scored in the final game, BUT they were playing great regardless.
 
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