Value of: Cozens to Habs...at what price?

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

With Dach going down, it's clear that we need to find a 2C that can step into that role.

Problem is that so are a bunch of other teams.

The Habs have a pile of picks, including 2 in the first round. At this point, my guess is the Sabres are looking for team attitude game changers then more picks. Besides picks, we have is vet defenseman that Sabres don't need.

So are 2 mid first rounders enough?

The teams are poor fits in terms of need, beyond my suggestion, is there something that would make sense for both?

(And please, I know every Hab player is worth half as much or twice as much, depending on solar eclipses and moon tides. Try to keep it real....TRY)

How come when it's bumpkins off ur team it's "serious" offers or only 1sts?

 

[HuGo Sham]

If I’m Buffalo the package has to start with Mailloux + the better of our 2 1st rounders +

start? ludicrous

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If Buffalo trades him, they're adding to him to improve the team.

Montreal isn't doing that.

Buffalo isn't taking on a lesser pieces for Cozens.

Buffalo is set to miss the playoffs for the 13th, 14th, 15th, whichever it is. They're not rolling it back.

I can only see them doing that in a 3 way trade.

Buffalo has a deal to improve the team, but want/need to move out Cozens and that team isn't interested, so Cozens is dealt to a 3rd team

Like, people gotta stop trying to poach Buffalo players for 5 nickels for a quarter.

 

[miscs75]

Like, people gotta stop trying to poach Buffalo players for 5 nickels for a quarter.

In the case of Montreal, those are brand new nickels that somehow magically each have the same value as a quarter.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

What would Montreal want to part With for Cozens ?

 

[toddkaz]

You knew there was gonna be Sabres fans coming in here whining about how they don't want picks lmao.

Helpful tip: You can flip draft picks for current assets. You're out to lunch if you wouldn't take two mid firsts for Cozens at his incredibly depressed value.

Or it could be the GM said that but instead you complain about posters instead of being informed.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Or it could be the GM said that but instead you complain about posters instead of being informed.

If your GM is dumb enough to pass on a massive overpay because it's not the kind of assets he wants, you need a new GM.

 

[Lockin17]

Hage + Mailloux or Kapanen

 

[toddkaz]

If your GM is dumb enough to pass on a massive overpay because it's not the kind of assets he wants, you need a new GM.

ok. Or we just go to another team for a trade since Cozens is in demand and Montreal can go pound sand.

 

[waitin425]

Hage + Mailloux or Kapanen

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

I would trade Cozens for a prospect about to break out like Beck and a 1st to flip for a RHD. Cozens hit 60 pts once but idk if it was a fluke because since he's been a 40 pt player. (It's fairly rare a player's best season is that early into their career).

Lot of risk from both sides but I'd probably pull the trigger on that, especially since Beck is a C. That might be a little too rich for Habs fans but you're getting a proven 30 goal scorer.

(I might add a 3rd on Buffalo's side for the risk and it's early so basically a 2nd.

Beck has a 1 assist in 11 career games but that's normal for a young player to start slow.

I know Sabres don't want prospects but he's 21 and I think will break out within the next 2 years.

The draft picks can be flipped.

I don't think I'd do this if I was Montreal for the risk of Cozens flopping. But it's a deal I'd make.

 

[Benstheman]

I would trade Cozens for a prospect about to break out like Beck and a 1st to flip for a RHD. Cozens hit 60 pts once but idk if it was a fluke because since he's been a 40 pt player. (It's fairly rare a player's best season is that early into their career).

Lot of risk from both sides but I'd probably pull the trigger on that, especially since Beck is a C. That might be a little too rich for Habs fans but you're getting a proven 30 goal scorer.

(I might add a 3rd on Buffalo's side for the risk and it's early so basically a 2nd.

Beck has a 1 assist in 11 career games but that's normal for a young player to start slow.

I know Sabres don't want prospects but he's 21 and I think will break out within the next 2 years.

The draft picks can be flipped.

I don't think I'd do this if I was Montreal for the risk of Cozens flopping. But it's a deal I'd make.

Not unreasonable at all. I would think hard about it.

 

[ctmagic]

I heard the Sabers are looking for picks and prospects….

 

[Buffdog]

Sabres fans are sorta f***ed here

It's not like Buffalo would be dealing from a position of strength here... sure, you could take the "we won't trade him for picks and prospects" stance... but what if that's the only offer you're getting, and his play doesn't improve?

Offers will only get weaker, and in the meantime you're stuck with a declining asset on a dumpster fire team that's run by dumpster fire management and is owned by dumpster fire ownership

Something needs to change drastically in how that org is run. In the meantime, I'd be stockpiling as many of the best assets I can if I were them

Fans may be sick of watching a loser team (fueling the "we want a hockey trade" narrative), but is that really what's best for the franchise?

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Sabres fans are sorta f***ed here

It's not like Buffalo would be dealing from a position of strength here... sure, you could take the "we won't trade him for picks and prospects" stance... but what if that's the only offer you're getting, and his play doesn't improve?

Offers will only get weaker, and in the meantime you're stuck with a declining asset on a dumpster fire team that's run by dumpster fire management and is owned by dumpster fire ownership

Something needs to change drastically in how that org is run. In the meantime, I'd be stockpiling as many of the best assets I can if I were them

Fans may be sick of watching a loser team (fueling the "we want a hockey trade" narrative), but is that really what's best for the franchise?

If any other team is trading assets for him they're gambling he returns to form right? Maybe what's best for Buffalo is making that bet internally instead of buying insurance in the form of draft picks.

 

[Lockin17]

I remember seing the same kind of say about Farrell,
Farrell was untouchable when he was in the NCAA

 

[Buffdog]

If any other team is trading assets for him they're gambling he returns to form right? Maybe what's best for Buffalo is making that bet internally instead of buying insurance in the form of draft picks.

I agree... I guess this is under the assumption that they want to move in from him for whatever reason

OR maybe some team shows up with a futures package that fits like a glove. An offer from the Jets (for example) that included Salomonsson might be appealing because he's an almost NHL ready RHD with top 4 upside. As a Jets fan myself, I'm not sure if would do that but it was the kind of asset I was thinking of, since Buffalo lacks righties

 

[Satanphonehome]

2 mid-1sts wont get you a 24-year-old 30-goal centre locked up for 6 years at $7M.

But for an 18-goal scorer with the same salary it’s a clear overpay.

If the Sabres believe Cozens is part of the solution they thank the Habs for the generous offer and politely decline.

If they think he’s part of the problem, they take the assets planning to flip them and run.

 

[Selanne00008]

I just want to sya that, if the Sabres got the proper prospect/pick value and are the 'sellers" in hte trade. Sabres fans shouldn't freak out.

now just go be buyers with that haul of picks/prospects you got for a second trade.

it's not that hard KA!

 

[cheesymc]

Probably Mailloux/Reinbacher + Mesar + Anderson/Gallagher

 

[Gaud]

Dach was by far, the biggest disappointment this season.

Before his knee problem last season, in preseason and seven periods he looked like he turned the corner into superstardom. Then he gets hurt and on his return, he was a shadow of his expectations.

I haven't given up on him, but as a winger. So now, we either take a chance and pray Hage is the real deal, or pro-active and land a center that will mature in the general timelines.

Dach was playing well enough to allow for ex players to earn their pay arguing about whether suzuki or Dach was the 1C. I always preferred Nick but i was excited at the prospect of Dach and Slaf on the 2nd pair - those are big fellas. Before the injury, Slaf was adapting to the NHL still, but started finding chemistry with Dach.

No one was wondering if Dach was a true C at the time - he was making his linemates better. I dont know if the knee is that much of an issue still, but he's not a shadow of that former self.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I just want to sya that, if the Sabres got the proper prospect/pick value and are the 'sellers" in hte trade. Sabres fans shouldn't freak out.

now just go be buyers with that haul of picks/prospects you got for a second trade.

it's not that hard KA!

Considering there are far more buyers than sellers right now there's no reason to include MTL as a middleman.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

ok. Or we just go to another team for a trade since Cozens is in demand and Montreal can go pound sand.

Yeah bro teams are lining up to give you more than the value of two first round picks for your floundering young player.

If a GM were offering two mid firsts for Cozens, he would've already been traded.

 

[jfhabs]

I wouldn't pay 2 x 1st for Cozens or Hage + 1st or etc.


I'd rather go for a slightly older and more establish player. Of course that could mean either a bigger package or a shorter term contract.

Cozens is no guarantee to make our team better now or in the future.
It didn't really work out for us with Dach and Newhook. They are both NHL players, but neither elevated their play to be considered impactful players.

 

[toddkaz]

Yeah bro teams are lining up to give you more than the value of two first round picks for your floundering young player.

If a GM were offering two mid firsts for Cozens, he would've already been traded.

Oh do you have the link to Montreal offering two 1sts? Or was that a fantasy post you are promoting as something that is real? And then attacking everyone who disagrees with you over a fantasy offer? lol.