Coyotes 2021 Roster Discussion

[moosemeister]

Raping women and supporting the wrong presidential candidate are not comparable offenses.

I didn’t say anything about raping women or make it about politics. Haha

the kid is a loose canon. Doesn’t think before he acts. DEFINITELY doesn’t think before he speaks. This is what I meant.

I could honestly not give a shit about his political views. I care about how he treats his teammates and how he carries himself as a member of the organization. Neither of these are good and I couldn’t be happier that he’s gone from my favorite team.

I will say, I hope he gets help. Maybe going unclaimed and getting bought out will be a wake up call to the kid. He’s too good not to get the chance, it might just be best for him to work on himself and try again next season.

 

[CNYCrunchfan1]

Stop with the politics crap...guy is a dirt bag with anger issues. Fine if he uses that against the other team like Wilson but he doesn't he distributes it evenly and nobody needs that in the locker room.

 

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The incident, which specifically triggered the altercation last night, was possibly a miscommunication that led to Sidney Crosby’s overtime goal. However, based on information Blueshirt Banter has gathered on background for multiple years now, the two were apparently never on the best of terms as far back as the 2017-18 season when the two were teammates in Hartford, the AHL affiliate.

Furthermore, three separate sources independently confirmed to Blueshirt Banter that there was concern at various levels of the organization regarding DeAngelo’s treatment of rookie defenseman K’Andre Miller. Sources did not wish to go on the record with specific examples but indicated that it was an issue that caught the attention and ire of multiple players in the organization. Additionally, sources say tension has been building up in the locker room prior to the incident on Saturday night.

Report: DeAngelo, Georgiev Allegedly had ‘Altercation’ Following Loss vs Pittsburgh

Not verified or anything, but I doubt the organization goes on public record re: details anyways.

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

So DeAngelo had a mega breakout season last year, he is playing for a massive (now talent loaded) franchise that needs him; yet they cannot bear him so much anymore that they are ready to give him away for zero. There must really have been an accumulation of major problems to get to that point.

If there is a little temptation for GMBA, it is easy for him to have some intel: he just has to speak to his staff, to the players who were here when DeAngelo was around and hear what they say about him.

Considering the standard GMBA wants to set for this franchise, it is doubtful that he will be the one picking him up.

 

[rt]

So DeAngelo had a mega breakout season last year, he is playing for a massive (now talent loaded) franchise that needs him; yet they cannot bear him so much anymore that they are ready to give him away for zero. There must really have been an accumulation of major problems to get to that point.

If there is a little temptation for GMBA, it is easy for him to have some intel: he just has to speak to his staff, to the players who were here when DeAngelo was around and hear what they say about him.

Considering the standard GMBA wants to set for this franchise, it is doubtful that he will be the one picking him up.

Fair.

 

[PainForShane]

Report: DeAngelo, Georgiev Allegedly had ‘Altercation’ Following Loss vs Pittsburgh

Not verified or anything, but I doubt the organization goes on public record re: details anyways.

If this is true this is maybe the most intentionally disrespectful thing I've ever come across in the NHL. Imo at least the same level (probably worse) than all the crazy s*** Sean Avery did back in the day.

Keeping the puck after his rookie D-man teammate scores his first NHL goal. Who does that? Why would anyone do that to a teammate? Not to mention this particular teammate is black.

If it's true, Tony DeAngelo should not be in the NHL regardless of talent. Sounds like the Rangers have made the same decision. Curious if he clears waivers, he's owed 4.8m for 2 years which is on paper a relatively low amount of money for the amount of offensive talent he brings from the back end

 

[The Feckless Puck]

If it's true, Tony DeAngelo should not be in the NHL regardless of talent. Sounds like the Rangers have made the same decision. Curious if he clears waivers, he's owed 4.8m for 2 years which is on paper a relatively low amount of money for the amount of offensive talent he brings from the back end

I'd be surprised if someone doesn't claim him, because if there's one constant in the world of pro hockey, it's that someone will ignore "character issues" if they think they can benefit - particularly at a discount. I will be massively disappointed if we do, though.

 

[PainForShane]

I'd be surprised if someone doesn't claim him, because if there's one constant in the world of pro hockey, it's that someone will ignore "character issues" if they think they can benefit - particularly at a discount. I will be massively disappointed if we do, though.

I hope you're wrong but fear you may be right. Time will tell. Talent-wise that is a very, very good deal that he is on

 

[Mosby]

He’ll go unclaimed.

To quote Bill Guerin, “It’s not that hard to not be an asshole.”

 

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He's only subject to the 1/3rd buyout ratio due to his young age which makes this a very easy decision for the NYR. DeAngelo effectively lost $3.5m in base salary if he doesn't get claimed.

If the Rangers feel he won't be claimed then everyone has been made aware through private channels of what went down. Any GM that claims him is inviting a lot of heat.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

His confrontational personality on and off the ice. His abject inability to give a crap about anyone but himself. And yes, his politics - if you count treating other people like absolute dirt "political." And - crucially - his selfish attitude in the room.

Hey thanks man! Didn’t know you just retired from the Rangers.... or were you a Yote, when TDA was here?

 

[Coyotedroppings]

There’s been smoke following him around too long for there not to be some fire there. He’s probably an ass. I’m just not sure I care too much.

I agree, I want the most diverse room I can get.... or not.

 

[crazyhockeylover96]

Any GM that claims him is inviting a lot of heat.

So the Coyotes could have had Tony DeAngelo AND Mitchell Miller? Sarcasm

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

There's a side of me that says make a trade with NY and then sit TDA in the press box until next season when we buy him out. Let him know he is only here because we wanted additional assets to eat his cap for NY. Hell, don't even bother showing up and sitting in the press box, just stay home. Demers for TDA + 1st?

 

[RABBIT]

After what I’ve read over the last few hours (and using deductive reasoning) I don’t think any NHL team will claim Tony D. As much as I like him as a player, and as much as I think personal opinions should remain out of player evaluations, I don’t think the distraction is going to be worth it.

Gotta give @moosemeister credit, he hit the nail on the head without involving any non-hockey issues from the jump. You’re absolutely right.

 

[rt]

He’ll go unclaimed.

To quote Bill Guerin, “It’s not that hard to not be an asshole.”

Did you see what Bill Guerin once did to a rookie on his own team in a practice? A two handed chop to the neck as disgusting as what McSorely did to Brashear. The most despicable thing I’ve ever seen a hockey player do on the ice. Worse than Bertuzzi. Easily.

Not that it matters to your point. Just a pointless digression.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

Taking a less granular look, it seems to me that a team strong in team leadership, coaching leadership and front office leadership might take a flyer on D'Angelo. I recall when the Vikings took a flyer on Moss. It paid off. The Coyotes aren't quite strong enough in the areas mentioned above. Let's also remember the shellacking that they took for drafting that kid who was a behavior problem. I would be shocked if the Coyotes took a chance on D'Angelo.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

Taking a less granular look, it seems to me that a team strong in team leadership, coaching leadership and front office leadership might take a flyer on D'Angelo. I recall when the Vikings took a flyer on Moss. It paid off. The Coyotes aren't quite strong enough in the areas mentioned above. Let's also remember the shellacking that they took for drafting that kid who was a behavior problem. I would be shocked if the Coyotes took a chance on D'Angelo.

There is a reason we shipped DeAngelo away, we're certainly not going to go get him back. Same reason Yzerman jettisoned him from Tampa and now NY.

 

[Gwyddbwyll]

Here's the recent Bill Armstrong quote too ICYMI:

“You might have a situation where your analytics guy goes through the waiver list and says, ‘You should claim this guy,’ and you look at him and say, ‘You don’t understand. That guy’s a dirtbag,” Armstrong said. “In an instant, your analytics guy has lost credibility with the entire staff.”

TBH I dont get this quote. Analytics is analytics, it's not a magic solution. Even dirtbags can be good hockey players. That's pretty easy to understand. I wouldn't think any less of an analyst for pointing out a useful player - that's his job to find undervalued players. He's not going to be upset if you say the human factor overrides these numbers. I'd worry much more about the intelligence of the entire staff for dismissing all analytical options based on just that.

It just sounds more like GMBA wants to bag on the Chayka regime for prioritising analytics so heavily or re-emphasise the Coyotes dont want players like Mitchell Miller (who was drafted by his own scouts).

 

[MIGs Dog]

anger issues.

He just needs to read a good book.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

TBH I dont get this quote. Analytics is analytics, it's not a magic solution. Even dirtbags can be good hockey players. That's pretty easy to understand. I wouldn't think any less of an analyst for pointing out a useful player - that's his job to find undervalued players. He's not going to be upset if you say the human factor overrides these numbers. I'd worry much more about the intelligence of the entire staff for dismissing all analytical options based on just that.

It just sounds more like GMBA wants to bag on the Chayka regime for prioritising analytics so heavily or re-emphasise the Coyotes dont want players like Mitchell Miller (who was drafted by his own scouts).

I mean, that quote is pretty simple to me. Armstrong's point is not that you dismiss analytics - far from it. But he also doesn't believe in going full "Moneypuck," wherein you advocate for or dismiss a particular player almost exclusively on his stats and numbers with no regard to the greater context.

A dirtbag can be a good - even great - hockey player. And, in truth, if a team's room has enough strong personalities to rein in and control that dirtbag sufficiently, you might even take a flyer on him. But if your analytics guy makes a case to take a guy like that in the draft or claim him off waivers or etc., without understanding how that decision's ramifications would play out through the organization, then he's gonna lose credibility with BA.

 

[Jakey53]

TBH I dont get this quote. Analytics is analytics, it's not a magic solution. Even dirtbags can be good hockey players. That's pretty easy to understand. I wouldn't think any less of an analyst for pointing out a useful player - that's his job to find undervalued players. He's not going to be upset if you say the human factor overrides these numbers. I'd worry much more about the intelligence of the entire staff for dismissing all analytical options based on just that.

It just sounds more like GMBA wants to bag on the Chayka regime for prioritising analytics so heavily or re-emphasise the Coyotes dont want players like Mitchell Miller (who was drafted by his own scouts).

I mean, that quote is pretty simple to me. Armstrong's point is not that you dismiss analytics - far from it. But he also doesn't believe in going full "Moneypuck," wherein you advocate for or dismiss a particular player almost exclusively on his stats and numbers with no regard to the greater context.

A dirtbag can be a good - even great - hockey player. And, in truth, if a team's room has enough strong personalities to rein in and control that dirtbag sufficiently, you might even take a flyer on him. But if your analytics guy makes a case to take a guy like that in the draft or claim him off waivers or etc., without understanding how that decision's ramifications would play out through the organization, then he's gonna lose credibility with BA.

GM's and coaches have enough on their plate and don't need the distraction a player can cause. I'm sure we all can relate playing a team sport in our youth. Having said that I think BA comment about losing credibility from the staff over one player is a bit over the top.

 

[rt]

I want the Coyotes to acquire Sam Bennett. Bad. I want that because he wants to play center and did so well in the bubble. I want it because Brassard is a one year bandaid. I want it because I think Hayton should be with Soderstrom in Tucson being a true number one center in that league. The last time Hayton was a top performer on any team he was years ago. It’s a huge problem for me. He needs to find the touch, the flame. The Coyotes have mishandled him badly and extinguished too much of that spark. He needs to be “the man” again.

How sick is this bottom six?

Caggiula-Bennett-Pitlick
Crouse-Larsson-Fischer

 

[rt]

Would Calgary take Dryden Hunt, our earlier 2nd, and earlier 4th for Bennett and their later 3rd? Is that too much?

 

[SR]

Sam Bennet fights to, doesnt he? He hits to, right? The kid with the mustache? Sticks up for his teammates? I like him, if it’s the right Bennet I’m thinking of.