Countdown to February 29th : All Bruins Proposals/Rumors

[bp13]

I just like the way Brodin plays - defend first make a good breakout pass very good skater

Dumba has to much trick or treat for me.

I don't dislike him but I would not give up a first and Loui for him

I'd still go after Shattenkirk after the season and bundle to get 5-10 in draft to get Bean or Juolevi

Trading Loui and a 1st rounder, to me, is essentially trading two 1st round picks. And the picks are likely bottom 10 picks, so somewhere in the 20's. Roughly 25% of those guys turn out to be decent NHL'ers, a fraction of that 25% turns out to be very good, and the remaining 75% turn out to be nothing. You're giving up two kicks at that can.

In exchange for that, if you're going to give me a kid who is already a guaranteed top 6 dman on my team, porbably 2nd pair and has small upside potential for top pair, I think I have to listen. When you boil it all down, for a team with zero top pairing dmen and fossils like Chara and Seidenberg aging in front of our eyes, it's tough to pass that up. So even a guy like Dumba, to me, is compelling. We are desperate. We may need to overpay to fix this problem.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Little surprised at the hesitancy on Dumba around these parts. Quite honestly he reminds me a lot of JB55 at a much younger age, with a potentially much higher ceiling.

I think he could be a really good fit playing next to Z.

I can't really get into this in detail because I'm on the road, but I don't see the Dumba-JB comparison at all. Just like I didn't understand the Chiller to JB comparisons. Different players entirely IMO.

Dumba is far closer to Miller than he is JB. He's a little more physical, but Miller is the better skater.

 

[kman22]

Trading Loui and a 1st rounder, to me, is essentially trading two 1st round picks. And the picks are likely bottom 10 picks, so somewhere in the 20's. Roughly 25% of those guys turn out to be decent NHL'ers, a fraction of that 25% turns out to be very good, and the remaining 75% turn out to be nothing. You're giving up two kicks at that can.

In exchange for that, if you're going to give me a kid who is already a guaranteed top 6 dman on my team, porbably 2nd pair and has small upside potential for top pair, I think I have to listen. When you boil it all down, for a team with zero top pairing dmen and fossils like Chara and Seidenberg aging in front of our eyes, it's tough to pass that up. So even a guy like Dumba, to me, is compelling. We are desperate. We may need to overpay to fix this problem.

If Hamilton cost a 1st and 2 2nds, what will it take to get Trouba from Winnipeg? If you're trading two firsts, you'd hope that you aren't THAT far off...

 

[bruinmann77]

I be very curious to see what will happen at the draft if DS does acquire that 3rd first rounder

 

[shackattack]

Since Stan Bowman took over BlackHawks,no one has picked more at draft then him over that period.More picks the better and 3 Cups in 6 years is proof.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/the-value-of-acquiring-nhl-draft-picks-at-the-trade-deadline/

 

[wintersej]

He got paid after his year of shooting 10% and getting 8 goals at 20. The Wild probably thought that would continue but his shooting % is back down to 3% which looks to be what he is. His defense is very excellent and would be the best on the Bruins, but the offense is worrisome. He seems very comparable to Hjalmarsson though in style. The 40% zone start also doesn't help matters

Yeah, he gets Chara like deployments. Makes you appreciate that Chara is able to provide the top 30 offense he does when Brodin is getting only 6 points. I'd make the deal for either one, to be honest. Dumba, I think, has a better chance of become a real difference maker over the next few years. Plus he naturally plays on the right side. Brodin, on his off side with Chara, is probably a better fit for the Bruins right now and is safer as he is already a middle pairing D. I'd be willing to overpay for either and still be able to make a run at Shattenkirk with 1st + Zboril/Lauzon + whatever secondary prospect STL likes.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I be very curious to see what will happen at the draft if DS does acquire that 3rd first rounder

I'm almost certain we won't be picking all 3 this year. And at least one of them would likely be gone by Feb 29th.

 

[wintersej]

I can't really get into this in detail because I'm on the road, but I don't see the Dumba-JB comparison at all. Just like I didn't understand the Chiller to JB comparisons. Different players entirely IMO.

Dumba is far closer to Miller than he is JB. He's a little more physical, but Miller is the better skater.

Miller is the better straight line skater. Dumba brings far more physicality to the table than Miller. And that two year age difference between the two at this stage in their development is monumental.

 

[DoubleAAAA]

I can't really get into this in detail because I'm on the road, but I don't see the Dumba-JB comparison at all. Just like I didn't understand the Chiller to JB comparisons. Different players entirely IMO.

Dumba is far closer to Miller than he is JB. He's a little more physical, but Miller is the better skater.

I don't see the CMiller/JB comp either, for me and Dumba it's that almost physical recklessness / mentality that reminds me of JB or even a guy like Phaneuf (for all the crap he takes) that would appeal to the B's fan base.

Obviously different body type and not an exact match of skillsets but that's what I was leaning towards with the comparison.

 

[Ratty]

IMO, the Bruins would be Dumb not to make a run at him.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

You wouldn't trade Loui/Koko/1st for Dumba? I guess you just answered that before I got the question in....

I would do Eriksson + 1st + Koko for Dumba all day everyday.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/70029

Still have oodles of cap space going forward to sign Yandle or trade for Shattenkirk in the offseason.

I don't know about a 1st, but what if the 1st was C.Miller. Koko is no loss he isn't going to be here next year anyways.

1) Eriksson + C.Miller + Koko = Dumba

2) Send a 5th/6th in June for rights to Yandle and sign.

3) Krug + Hayes or Griffith + 1st 2016 = Shattenkirk

Chara - Shattenkirk
Yandle - Dumba
Morrow - McQuaid

Extra: Seidenberg (I don't see them being able to move him), Trotman

The D is ready to rock and roll again.

Absolutely no thanks. People here are seriously overrating Shattenkirk and Dumba.

 

[tburns21]

the talks of people on the move out of edm has started again... would there be interest in a year of nail yakupov @2.5M for a RW if say hayes/seids(1M retained)+2nd was going the other way?

they would get a big RW (yes he's a little soft) but is compiling some decent stats, seids at 3M for the PK shutdown role and a 2nd probably isn't too bad for intake on an underachieving RW.

you line him up with spooner on the 3rd line and see how he does, if not you flip him.

and all the while we've secretly developed some cap space!!

 

[AustinBruins]

Brodin has 6 points in 50 games. I'm not being anti-Brodin, per say, but it does seem to suggest a ceiling of a middle pairing guy and makes me wonder how good he actually is at moving the puck out of his own zone. You would think he would have at least some secondary assists playing 20 minutes a game.

Boston doesn't just need a potential top pair guy, they also need a new Seidenberg. Seids in his prime was a shut down guy, logging huge minutes and playing PK and close/late with the game on the line. If Boston can find a young, physical defender who can play in those situations AND he can skate AND his offensive stats are 'meh' - that is ideal because a guy like that with great offensive numbers will be too cost prohibitive to acquire and to keep.

So, if Brodin is that guy and I can buy him with a UFA and he is my new Seids, then sign me up. He improves the defense from minute one.

Plus, I am still going to try and get a top pair guy too.

 

[Mpasta]

the talks of people on the move out of edm has started again... would there be interest in a year of nail yakupov @2.5M for a RW if say hayes/seids(1M retained)+2nd was going the other way?

they would get a big RW (yes he's a little soft) but is compiling some decent stats, seids at 3M for the PK shutdown role and a 2nd probably isn't too bad for intake on an underachieving RW.

you line him up with spooner on the 3rd line and see how he does, if not you flip him.

and all the while we've secretly developed some cap space!!

I wouldn't mind Yakupov. He had a good rookie year and obviously has potential. He might strive on a new team. If not, you get rid of him.

 

[HuskyBruinPride]

Absolutely no thanks. People here are seriously overrating Shattenkirk and Dumba.

Dumba, yes. Shattenkirk, absolutely not, he's a stud.

 

[DoubleAAAA]

I wouldn't mind Yakupov. He had a good rookie year and obviously has potential. He might strive on a new team. If not, you get rid of him.

Certainly depends on price, but I agree hard to discredit a guy for being disappointing on that team. And quite honestly, his production hasn't been all that bad. Not sure he's a "fit" in terms of style of play etc but could be a gamble worth taking.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Miller is the better straight line skater. Dumba brings far more physicality to the table than Miller. And that two year age difference between the two at this stage in their development is monumental.

I don't see the CMiller/JB comp either, for me and Dumba it's that almost physical recklessness / mentality that reminds me of JB or even a guy like Phaneuf (for all the crap he takes) that would appeal to the B's fan base.

Obviously different body type and not an exact match of skillsets but that's what I was leaning towards with the comparison.

I agree about the description, but will add that one of Dumba's issues has always been that he is willing (ala Phaneuf) to take himself out of position to make a hit. Not an attractive trait IMO. As far as their development goes, if Chiller had a coach that would stick him in there and live with the inevitable rookie mistakes, he would be pretty close to Dumba, if not better IMO.

JB is not nearly the skater that Miller or Dumba is, but he's a helluva lot bigger than either. I think that he can sustain that physical style of play because of his size. I think Dumba, if he continues to play that style, is, for lack of a better term, writing checks that his body won't be able to cash.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

Dumba, yes. Shattenkirk, absolutely not, he's a stud.

We agree in disagree. He is a very good player, but not a #1 dman.

 

[wintersej]

I wouldn't mind Yakupov. He had a good rookie year and obviously has potential. He might strive on a new team. If not, you get rid of him.

Check that rookie year shooting %, though.

 

[BNHL]

Not that hockeys future is the end all for scouting report, but they list him as an 8.0 B. Top pair defenseman, possibly sliding down a ranking if he doesn't hit his ceiling.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/matt_dumba/

Seems like a player with high offensive upside and average defensive upside. Not what I'm looking for in a defenseman. I also like them bigger,unless they are supremely talented.

 

[wintersej]

I agree about the description, but will add that one of Dumba's issues has always been that he is willing (ala Phaneuf) to take himself out of position to make a hit. Not an attractive trait IMO. As far as their development goes, if Chiller had a coach that would stick him in there and live with the inevitable rookie mistakes, he would be pretty close to Dumba, if not better IMO.

JB is not nearly the skater that Miller or Dumba is, but he's a helluva lot bigger than either. I think that he can sustain that physical style of play because of his size. I think Dumba, if he continues to play that style, is, for lack of a better term, writing checks that his body won't be able to cash.

JB also took himself out of position to get the big hit until his late 20s. Is it fixable with Dumba, too?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Miller takes himself out of position to accomplish nothing, so there is some work there, too.

JB also was in and out of the lineup his rookie season in Boston. I have zero problem with how they are handling Miller and think you are way off comparing his upside to Dumba's.

While Dumba isn't tall, he is thick, so while I do share your concern on his writing checks he can't cash, I don't put nearly as much weight on it.

I'd be happy with any of the MIN D coming to Boston.

 

[bp13]

We agree in disagree. He is a very good player, but not a #1 dman.

A #1 dman is a pipe dream via trade if you ask me. Shattenkirk is a top-pairing dman in the NHL along the lines of a Seabrook in Chicago, maybe slightly better. He's instantly our best defenseman, easily, and takes this defense from bad to fair.

At this point if you have to overpay for such a guy you do it. You don't have one in your system who looks to be ready to contribute during a window where Bergeron and Krejci are top-level and Chara is still contributing. You have no choice.

 

[DKH]

IMO, the Bruins would be Dumb not to make a run at him.

I like his name and style

But he would be the HF whipping boy by Christmas

I'm all for entertainment so let's do it

 

[BNHL]

JB also took himself out of position to get the big hit until his late 20s. Is it fixable with Dumba, too?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Miller takes himself out of position to accomplish nothing, so there is some work there, too.

JB also was in and out of the lineup his rookie season in Boston. I have zero problem with how they are handling Miller and think you are way off comparing his upside to Dumba's.

While Dumba isn't tall, he is thick, so while I do share your concern on his writing checks he can't cash, I don't put nearly as much weight on it.

I'd be happy with any of the MIN D coming to Boston.

Listed as 6' 190. Is that what he is right now?

 

[bbfan419]

Dumba is one of the most overrated players being discussed in trades right now, all he does is take dumb penalties. I would not trade Eriksson straight up for him, to me Loui at the TDL has much more value than some on here think. In fact if we deal him to the Wild for Dumba it is Minnesota that should add to the deal.