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It's interesting to compare which players come from the Bergevin era and which is from Hughes era :
==> Bergevin
Suzuki
Caufield
Anderson
Armia
Dvorak
Gallagher
Evans
Kapanen
Harvey-Pinard
Pezzetta
Guhle
Savard
Xhekaj
Struble
Montembeault
Primeau
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Roy
Mailloux
Farrell
Tuch
Dobes
==> Hughes
Dach
Slafkovsky
Newhook
Heineman
Barré-Boulet
Laine
Matheson
Hutson
Barron
-------
Demidov
Beck
Engstrom
Hage
Reinbacher
Mesar
Fowler
This is still, in many ways, Marc Bergevin's team. Despite his flaws, we must admit that Timmins last few drafts have been pretty strong, and has allowed Hughes to do a real reconstruction.
==> Bergevin
Suzuki
Caufield
Anderson
Armia
Dvorak
Gallagher
Evans
Kapanen
Harvey-Pinard
Pezzetta
Guhle
Savard
Xhekaj
Struble
Montembeault
Primeau
---------
Roy
Mailloux
Farrell
Tuch
Dobes
==> Hughes
Dach
Slafkovsky
Newhook
Heineman
Barré-Boulet
Laine
Matheson
Hutson
Barron
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Demidov
Beck
Engstrom
Hage
Reinbacher
Mesar
Fowler
This is still, in many ways, Marc Bergevin's team. Despite his flaws, we must admit that Timmins last few drafts have been pretty strong, and has allowed Hughes to do a real reconstruction.
Today's the day!! Been awhile, 176 days since last Habs game.
I am hyped for Hutson Dach Slaf Suzuki Caufield and and and that's about it
also wanna see JackEye destoys Reaves
also wanna see JackEye destoys Reaves
T-13 hours.
Arrrrrrrre yoooooooouuuuuyu readdddddddddyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Not really, but whatever.
Arrrrrrrre yoooooooouuuuuyu readdddddddddyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Not really, but whatever.
All the names that are draftees after 2017 is a lot more Timmins/Lapointe/Churla, as Bergevin was put aside for drafting after TT was named AGM. Our draft picks got increasingly much better after that point too. An example of why you can't give the credit to Bergevin, go watch when they drafted Caufield. Bergevin was just itchin to trade the pick but all three scouts wanted CC and Timmins told Bergevin "no". Caufield, Kapanen, Guhle, Dobes, Primeau, Mailloux, Roy, Farrell, Struble and Tuch are all because of the three scouts.
What is good after those i named are removed is just a broken clock being right twice a day.
Bergevin is a dunce.
Monty is also a WIP i like to watch.
A waste of talent and energy.
Destroy Right Wingers with bone crushing checks as they try to enter our zone.
Make Reaves look stupid and undisciplined running around trying to stir up shit.
The habs as a team should be very hungry tonight, and should be playing physical for sure. As a team they will want to win and am sure they remember the BS hit on Laine.
Anderson always plays well vs the Leafs, let's hope he throws his weight around tonight!!
Impatiently waiting for the first GDT of the season to pop up... Let's gooooooo!!
anyone know which channel is more likely to show the opening entertainment before puck drop? Flag passing. Coldplay fix you. Etc …
I cant stand TVA lol. Bossy was the only one i liked listening to there.I reported my muting habits every time it happened last season which is every freakin' time TVA has the french game...
Full Mute both networks even though I like Maxime Lapierre.
TSN is also unbearable depending who is doing our game even Mike Johnson started to became annoying exposure sickness no doubt.
So In English I found myself down to Tessa and Pounder as the only people I would even consider listening to.
RDS is still tops with Houde and Denis even though Pierre's vision seems to be slowly going.
Every so often he'll describe stuff that never happened out there.
Foster Hewitt was very good at that in his declining years I think he forgot he was no longer a Radio Guy and that we'd notice
I don't like the RDS' intermission but I'm not sure if it's just Alain Crete.
I keep asking myself why is a chipmunk hosting a hockey panel.
Finally there is Daniele Savageau who sends me scurrying for a smoke even though I don't smoke and haven't in more than a decade.
That is my unplugged take on Hockey Broadcasting in our region.
Houde has been getting weirder for sure - he strikes me as more petty than ever. The game where Laine got hurt - he just couldnt drop it! It started with a rant about cheap shots and the refs being blind, then he tried to dial it down because the "refs on the ice are some of the best", then Xhekaj jumped Paré and then it became "This wouldnt have happened if the refs were doing their jobs!" and by the end of the show, everything was ok - The game is fast and it was probably an accident. Marc Denis was trying to change the "energy" but PH was making it negative all the time. Weird moments.
I figured it may have something to do with the loss of his brother, but who knows. "Et le buuuuuuuuuuutttt!" is a classic for me.
Is Daniele making you want to smoke because she is "that good"?
Frankie Corrado just ripped the Habs pk saying it's too basic and will get pulled apart.
I have very little interest in which assets a 10 year process left us with other than what we will be able to do with them.
Are we are trying to put a coat of varnish on an untreated deck that has been exposed to the elements for a decade?
By the time we've flushed out all the remnants kept or traded anything of value what are we left with.
We were a 24th place team whose top three assets were not redeemable.
After three years of above average asset management we are still a 28th place team with immovable property.
Seriously by the time we do win anything if we win anything the previous regime's contribution can be measured in decimals.
So why even bring it up?
Moving Price to LTIR mid-season helps the Habs because contracts are accrued daily, so $2m cap space can bring in $6m+ contract mid-season or later. It keeps our options open & we won't have any issues at TD to either bring on a contract to help another team, or retain on one of our own players (Dvorak).
The Price LTIR becomes more valuable the longer we wait to do it.
He's not wrong. There's no urgency. They just stand around and don't adjust/pressure at all.
It's like the PP, they're almost afraid to make mistakes. Which is worse than making a mistake, in some ways.
No one cares about $4m in potential bonuses next season when $4.2m is coming off in retained salary and we're going to have a minimum of $24m in cap space next season with no significant signings to have to negotiate.
We can open even more cap space if we can move Anderson with retention and buy-out Gallagher.
There's zero concerns with cap space for next season. We could probably trade Price because teams may actually struggle to reach cap floor. Cap is expected to be $92m.
The key to Bonus Overages will be Slaf.
Slaf max bonus is 3.5M
Hutson 750K
Guhle 420K
Struble 57K
Not sure what the others are but Slaf gets
250K for each of these (max 4 can be earned)
20G - got this one last yr, 35A, 60 points, top 6 in TOI among Habs Forwards, top 3 in +/- Habs F, 0.73 PPG,
He gets 2M if he meets either of these
Top 10 in NHL forwards in G/A/Pts or PPG min 41 GP
win major award Hart, selke, Richard, conn smythe
1st or 2nd team allstar.
Hutson's appear to be schedule A like Slafs 1st group 250K each max 3. Dmen thresholds are lower
10G/25A/40 pts Top 4 in TOI among Habs D, top 3 in +/- Dmen, .49 pts per game (min 41 games) end of season all rookie team.
So Slafs schedule A seem attainable or some of them.
Hutson may be attainable
If slaf earns the schedule B 2M I will gladly thak the overage on that one
That turd Bergevin would have screwed up the development of whatever prospects we had if he was still around. You could clearly see Caufield and Suzuki's game regressing during Dumb-Dumb final few weeks with us.
All of them would have had a way different career path under the old regime.
Yes, Bergevin left Hughes with some good young players to build around, just like Pierre Gauthier left good players for Bergevin. Which GM inherited a better core? Bergevin was given Price/Subban/Pacioretty/Plekanec/Markov to build around. Hughes was given Suzuki/Caufield/Montembeault/Guhle/Mailloux.
Still too early to assess how good Bergevin's final draft classes will be, but it's hard to believe Hughes inherited more talent than Bergevin did a dozen years ago.
The difference between them is Hughes has added more talent in two years than Bergevin did in a decade. Hughes has set a direction, leveraged 1st-round picks, and established team-friendly contracts – key parts of team-building Bergevin never did.
Every GM goes back and forth with his staff and explores multiple options before a pick or trade. We can only judge the end result. The buck stopped with Bergevin, so he gets credit for Suzuki, Caufield, etc., just like he gets blame for leaving an unfinished team in cap hell with overpaid vets. Bergevin made some great individual moves, but he couldn't build a winning roster to save his life.
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