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I don’t see Barron having any much more value anymore.
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I don’t see Barron having any much more value anymore.
That's right. Now we'll have opposing teams' regular lineup scrubs taking runs at our best guys. I'm looking at you, Max Dummi.
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The Real Timo
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I hope it's not his groin. He bulked up this summer. When one bulks up it's important to also strengthen one's core, including groin, hip flexor, etc... And he's had nagging groin problems in the past.
Would be kinda ironic that he didn't hurt his groin at the start of camp like all the previous year, it happened in the last game instead.
Armia was our fourth leading goal scorer last year.
How many new guys beat him out at camp this year?
JianYang
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I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with my post.
When I say by lack of depth, it essentially means there was no better option, unfortunately.
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Another day, another injury. What else is new.
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A huge part of our problem last year was our complete lack of offense outside of the 1st line. I don't expect any notable improvement from our bottom 6, and with Laine gone our 2nd line looks among the roughest in the league if you look at it from a career PPG point of view. I decided to take a quick look at how our projected 2nd line's career PPG compared to the projected 2nd lines of the other bottom 10 teams last season.
Armia is dead last among right wings and tied with McBain to have the lowest career PPG out of the group at 0.35. Armia's is technically slightly higher, but he's also 7 years older and likely not going to improve.
Newhook is 3rd last among left wings and Dach is 2nd last among centers. A huge part of our potential success is both of these players making significant improvements, but with Dach's injury troubles and missed development time I'm not sure how much of a step he can make this year.
We're arguably going into the season with the worst 2nd line in the league, and on top of that we have a hilariously overpaid bottom 6 that's also likely going to be bottom of the barrel.
I'm not trying to be too much of a doomer, but our special teams look terrible, our bottom 9 looks worrisome and we're a team riddled with injuries. I'm excited to see if our 1st line can carry off their momentum from last season and I like our defense pairs, but it's going to take about 10 miracles happening simultaneously for this to be a playoff team.
Montreal (28th)
San Jose (32nd)
Chicago (31st)
Anaheim (30th)
Columbus (29th)
Utah (27th)
Ottawa (26th)
Seattle (25th)
Calgary (24th)
New Jersey (23rd)
Armia is dead last among right wings and tied with McBain to have the lowest career PPG out of the group at 0.35. Armia's is technically slightly higher, but he's also 7 years older and likely not going to improve.
Newhook is 3rd last among left wings and Dach is 2nd last among centers. A huge part of our potential success is both of these players making significant improvements, but with Dach's injury troubles and missed development time I'm not sure how much of a step he can make this year.
We're arguably going into the season with the worst 2nd line in the league, and on top of that we have a hilariously overpaid bottom 6 that's also likely going to be bottom of the barrel.
I'm not trying to be too much of a doomer, but our special teams look terrible, our bottom 9 looks worrisome and we're a team riddled with injuries. I'm excited to see if our 1st line can carry off their momentum from last season and I like our defense pairs, but it's going to take about 10 miracles happening simultaneously for this to be a playoff team.
Montreal (28th)
| Newhook: 0.47 | Dach: 0.47 | Armia: 0.35 |
San Jose (32nd)
| Granlund: 0.66 | Smith: N/A | Zetterlund: 0.46 |
Chicago (31st)
| Hall: 0.84 | Kurashev: 0.44 | Bertuzzi: 0.64 |
Anaheim (30th)
| Fabbri: 0.50 | McTavish: 0.58 | Zegras: 0.73 |
Columbus (29th)
| JVR: 0.62 | Fantilli: 0.55 | Labanc: 0.47 |
Utah (27th)
| McBain: 0.35 | Cooley: 0.54 | Guenther: 0.64 |
Ottawa (26th)
| Greig: 0.38 | Norris: 0.67 | Batherson: 0.73 |
Seattle (25th)
| Schwartz: 0.65 | Stephenson: 0.55 | Burakovsky: 0.57 |
Calgary (24th)
| Zary: 0.54 | Backlund: 0.54 | Coleman: 0.46 |
New Jersey (23rd)
| Tatar: 0.56 | Hischier: 0.78 | Mercer: 0.53 |
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The more we got through preseason and started to see things unfold, with injuries and how players were playing, it seemed more and more that we were primed for a bottom 10 finish. It's hard for me to pick more than 4 or 5 teams that I feel pretty comfortable about us finishing above. Maybe I'm wrong - I hope so.
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Another lottery pick wouldn't be the end of the world with how some of the draft eligibles have started out. Martone and Misa are absolutely dominating the OHL right now.
I think Demidov's going to be a pretty major spark plug to our offence next year, and once some of our dead weight contracts like Dvo/Gally/Anderson expire it's going to give us a pretty big boost.
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Barron must have been on for all four given the beating he's taking.
Barron was on for 1 GA at 5v5.Barron must have been on for all four given the beating he's taking.
I like you I don't have to go around researching jack shit.Barron was on for 1 GA at 5v5.
Not to mention you aren't snide when I'm wrong.
There's no talking to some on here........Barron was on for 1 GA at 5v5.
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We will see if they are ready to play. The camp was disjointed, at least from the outside looking in
Yes, injuries didnt help but only Laine really changed the lines. Guhle to to a small extent but everyone knew which chair he was in
When your hear, havent worked on PP or Pk, we dont know who we are slotting in on the second line, etc then you get a bit concerned
It will be forgotten if they compete and look structured enough but if not, more than ever, they will need some veteran presence to at least help MSL get things organized
Yes, injuries didnt help but only Laine really changed the lines. Guhle to to a small extent but everyone knew which chair he was in
When your hear, havent worked on PP or Pk, we dont know who we are slotting in on the second line, etc then you get a bit concerned
It will be forgotten if they compete and look structured enough but if not, more than ever, they will need some veteran presence to at least help MSL get things organized
“I’d rather have a winner that scores five less goals than some loser that just focuses on scoring 40 goals.” —Juraj Slafkovský
Someone is going to be chirping the Leafs this season...
He also had a quote today about "a pretty good" NHL career being having at least 2 Stanley cup rings.
Someone is going to be chirping the Leafs this season...
He also had a quote today about "a pretty good" NHL career being having at least 2 Stanley cup rings.
Yeah it's not exactly a satisfying process to watch game in game out over multiple years but we're pretty much just in a holding pattern until some of these young guys get from the 19-22 range into the 23-26 age range while the bad contracts filter out (and guys like Hage/Demidov/Reinbacher filter in). I keep harping on this point but we lost our entire veteran core and had Gallagher decline heavily in summer 2021 and that aggregate loss combined with the black hole of the 2010-2017 drafts is what's keeping us in this slow and steady position right now since we need young players to be floor and ceiling raisers when Savard and Matheson are the only vets of any real consequence on the roster.
There's just a gaping hole where the core from the 2021 playoff roster used to be and it's not easy to fix it short term. In basic terms we have Dvorak where Danault/KK used to be, Savard where Weber used to be, and Montembeault where Price used to be. Teams aren't going to trade us a a 23 year old top pair D and we're not in a position to go sign a veteran like Chris Tanev to upgrade on Savard, so we're just kinda just waiting until Guhle, Hutson, etc. and the young forwards are ready to take the big step. I think we'll be able to get some good floor raisers next summer with Dvorak/Armia gone, and I am hopeful that by next summer Anderson with only 2 years remaining will be tradeable just to free up the roster spot even if we have to retain or pay to dump him.
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