Countdown: Sidney Crosby's 18th consecutive point-per-game season

[Midnight Judges]

You're 100% wrong. Steckel is skating forward in an almost straight line. He had no reason to know Sid was going to abruptly change direction like that. Keep in the mind gif is in slow motion. This all happened fast. Crosby turns abruptly and makes partial contact with one of the numbers on Steckel's back.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

You're 100% wrong. Steckel is skating forward in an almost straight line. He had no reason to know Sid was going to abruptly change direction like that. Keep in the mind gif is in slow motion. This all happened fast. Crosby turns abruptly and makes partial contact with one of the numbers on Steckel's back.

That's why I am saying that you can easily argue that it is incidental contact. Blaming Sid "on ice awareness" and saying he could have gotten a penalty, that is what is asanine.

 

[Midnight Judges]

That's why I am saying that you can easily argue that it is incidental contact. Blaming Sid "on ice awareness" and saying he could have gotten a penalty, that is what is asanine.

I was responding to the poster who said Steckel was guilty of interference.

That would likely be the first time ever in NHL history that a guy skating forward got an interference call while getting hit in the number on his back.

My opinion is that it was incidental contact and there ought to have been no call.

I don't see how anyone can argue it wasn't poor on-ice awareness. Sid turns abruptly into another player while not looking where he is going. It's a classic puck watching incident. You can hurl all the personal insults you want ("delusional" "asinine" "bot" or whatever), but that is what happened.

 

[bobbyking]

the 3 years when he was Injured does not count lol. playing half the season doesn't count , yes he would have put up much more then ppg in those years.. but too many games missed to get credit
..... facts are facts

 

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the 3 years when he was Injured does not count lol. playing half the season doesn't count , yes he would have put up much more then ppg in those years.. but too many games missed to get credit
..... facts are facts

::states his opinion that he just pulled out of thin air::

Finishes post with “….facts are facts”

 

[Toby91ca]

the 3 years when he was Injured does not count lol. playing half the season doesn't count , yes he would have put up much more then ppg in those years.. but too many games missed to get credit
..... facts are facts

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? Doesn't count for what exactly? Yes, he "would have" put up much more than ppg in those years? "Would have"? No, he did, it happened it's math, x/y = 1 or greater.

This is the biggest thing I don't get....what are you trying to argue? What award are you suggesting rightly should go to someone else? The only thing this can possibly be is someone trying to find a reason to diminish an accomplishment....which is kind of pathetic.

The reality is, if you want to remove the 3 years where he missed a lot of games (the years he was actually performing better than any other years of his career).....that's fine, then you'd be left with Crosby only trailing Gretzky vs. inclusion where Crosby is only trailing Gretzky or slightly ahead of Gretzky.....does it really change the result significantly for you???

 

[orby]

the 3 years when he was Injured does not count lol. playing half the season doesn't count , yes he would have put up much more then ppg in those years.. but too many games missed to get credit
..... facts are facts

Facts? Here is the only relevant one: there has never been a season where Crosby did not score at least a point for every game he played. That is the definition of a point-per-game season.

You can hem and haw about the significance of the record, sure. But you can't say specific years don't count based on the number of games Crosby played. The entire reason the points-per-game statistic exists is because it doesn't account for number of games played.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Sidney Crosby is one of the most consistent players of all time. An all time great. Top 10 without question, and I was saying that before lots of people, and certainly before the history forum guys were. When they had him 12th or whatever, I had him 6th.

So there is no need to make up garbage, like pretending a quarter or half season qualifies as a full season pace. It just doesn't and it's not reasonable to say it does. Or pretending he contributes much defensively. He doesn't, nor should he. Or inventing ways to blame his self-inflicted injury on a good honest player like David Steckel. Or emphasizing the Conn Smythe he got while playing at a 21 goal/65 point pace as a minus player.

Sid doesn't need the lies and the exaggerations to claim his rightful place among the all-time greats. You guys might think these bs arguments help his case. Maybe they do with some. I dunno. But to me they take the focus away from his actual accomplishments - which stand up quite strongly on their own without anyone trying to stretch the truth.

Please explain how you repeatedly taking his stat-line through a 20 game playoff run (almost precisely a quarter of a season) and calling it a "21 goal/65 point pace" is not "pretending a quarter or half season qualifies as a full season pace", which as you called it was 'making up garbage'.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

I think from 2011-14 was really when we could have seen something like what current McDavid is doing in terms of peer dominance, he was absolutely ripping up the league in 2011, had the highest ppg in the league by far the next 2 years after, and then won the AR the next year he was healthy by 17 pts over 2nd place.

I truly believe he would have won 4 straight and likely by a very far margin, he had a ppg of 1.47 over that 4 year span while next was 1.2 and that was Malkin, Stammer was 1.14 and then St louis/Giroux sat at 4th and 5th place with a 1.05 ppg over that span. Obviously availability is the best ability, but in terms of how much better he was when he was healthy than the other top 5 players in the world is very similar to that of McDavid now.

For example Crosby's ppg was 22.5% higher than 2nd place, 29% better than 3rd, and 40% better than 4th/5th over that span.

Over the last 4 years McDavid (1.7) has a gap of 15% on Draisaitl (1.48), 22% on MacKinnon (1.39), 25% on Kucherov, and 33% on Panarin (1.28).

Again, what McDavid is doing is absolutely absurd and his abillty to stay healthier is definitely impressive, but Crosby was absolutely capable of having that sort of statistical dominance vs his peers in the prime of his career. It is kind of a shame he will only end up with 2 scoring titles and MVPs as he was the heavy, heavy favorite to win every year from 2011-14 had he been healthy.

 

[george14]

Gotta love the guy (who always criticizes Crosby) saying “he doesn’t contribute much defensively.” What an out of touch comment.

And I assume the fact he has finished top 10 in Selke voting 4 times will be met with a “Canadian bias” remark. It reminds me of people that consistently fail in life then always blame society and never themselves. Gotta set the arguments up perfectly so you can never be wrong.

 

[Nathaniel]

Jesus f***ing Christ...

I mean, this is a level of delusion I did not think anyone was capable of.

If you want to say that it was accidental contact, you would have an argument. Saying that if one of the two players deserved a penalty, it would be Crosby that's... well... ridiculous.

He's just mad that Crosby is once again f***ing decimating ovechkin

 

[Midnight Judges]

Please explain how you repeatedly taking his stat-line through a 20 game playoff run (almost precisely a quarter of a season) and calling it a "21 goal/65 point pace" is not "pretending a quarter or half season qualifies as a full season pace", which as you called it was 'making up garbage'.

You clearly haven't thought this through.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

You clearly haven't thought this through.

You said it's 'making up garbage' to pretend that a quarter or half-season qualifies as a full season pace when people use it to say something you disagreed with, and then continue on in the same comment to pretend that Crosby's 24 game playoff run in 2015-16 should qualify as a full-season pace.

What am I missing here?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

he's the ultimate package and imo will always rank higher than OV even if OV breaks Gretzky's record (which he will)

 

[Midnight Judges]

You said it's 'making up garbage' to pretend that a quarter or half-season qualifies as a full season pace when people use it to say something you disagreed with, and then continue on in the same comment to pretend that Crosby's 24 game playoff run in 2015-16 should qualify as a full-season pace.

What am I missing here?

That you are completely wrong, maybe?

 

[Rodgerwilco]

That you are completely wrong, maybe?

What is wrong about what I said?

You said :

So there is no need to make up garbage, like pretending a quarter or half season qualifies as a full season pace. It just doesn't and it's not reasonable to say it does.

And then you said:

Or emphasizing the Conn Smythe he got while playing at a 21 goal/65 point pace as a minus player.

Are you not reaching your favorite "21 goal/65 point pace" line by taking the 24-game playoff production for that season and calculating it across an 82 game (full season) pace.

In what way is calculating a 24 game sample across an 82 game pace not pretending a quarter season qualifies as a full season pace?

 

[Midnight Judges]

What is wrong about what I said?

You said :


And then you said:



Are you not reaching your favorite "21 goal/65 point pace" line by taking the 24-game playoff production for that season and calculating it across an 82 game (full season) pace.

In what way is calculating a 24 game sample across an 82 game pace not pretending a quarter season qualifies as a full season pace?

Because it isn't?

I don't know what to tell you. Using the word "pace" does not automatically mean I claimed it was a full season.

Your point is a non-sequitur.

 

[Beau Knows]

Are you not reaching your favorite "21 goal/65 point pace" line by taking the 24-game playoff production for that season and calculating it across an 82 game (full season) pace.

In what way is calculating a 24 game sample across an 82 game pace not pretending a quarter season qualifies as a full season pace?

This is what he always does. If Crosby is -2 in a 24 game sample size, then suddenly +/- is an important stat. Meanwhile Ovechkin has been a minus player in almost every post-season he's played in, and is 130 worse over his career than Crosby in their regular season careers. In those cases +/- doesn't matter, and he will never bring it up.

When you realize that Kessel had just 3 more points in the 2016 playoffs than Crosby, you understand why he uses pace in that one instance, even though he never stops complaining about per game numbers. It's because a 3 point difference in a playoff run is so miniscule that he has to extrapolate it over an 82 game regular season to try to make it meaningful.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Because it isn't?

I don't know what to tell you. Using the word "pace" does not automatically mean I claimed it was a full season.

So when you repeatedly say 21 goal / 65 point pace, what are you claiming that pace is other than a full season pace? What number did you use to arrive at that?

It was 82, coincidentally the same number of games in a full NHL season.... wasn't it, Squidward?

 

[Rodgerwilco]

This is what he always does. If Crosby is -2 in a 24 game sample size, then suddenly +/- is an important stat. Meanwhile Ovechkin has been a minus player in almost every post-season he's played in, and is 130 worse over his career than Crosby in their regular season careers. In those cases +/- doesn't matter, and he will never bring it up.

When you realize that Kessel had just 3 more points in the 2016 playoffs than Crosby, you understand why he uses pace in that one instance, even though he never stops complaining about per game numbers. It's because a 3 point difference in a playoff run is so miniscule that he has to extrapolate it over an 82 game regular season to try to make it meaningful.

Usually there's at least some level of cohesive argument or explanation. This one is just 'because you're wrong, because what I said isn't what I said, because you didn't think about it"

 

[Midnight Judges]

This is what he always does. If Crosby is -2 in a 24 game sample size, then suddenly +/- is an important stat. Meanwhile Ovechkin has been a minus player in almost every post-season he's played in, and is 130 worse over his career than Crosby in their regular season careers. In those cases +/- doesn't matter, and he will never bring it up.

When you realize that Kessel had just 3 more points in the 2016 playoffs than Crosby, you understand why he uses pace in that one instance, even though he never stops complaining about per game numbers. It's because a 3 point difference in a playoff run is so miniscule that he has to extrapolate it over an 82 game regular season to try to make it meaningful.

Logan Couture played at a 103 point / 34 goal pace in those playoffs.

But by all means, feel free to argue that 65 point / 26 goal Gabriel Landeskog should have won the Hart over 36 goal / 104 point Sidney Crosby in 2014, cause it's fairly equivalent to claiming Crosby was better than Couture in the 2016 playoffs.

So when you repeatedly say 21 goal / 65 point pace, what are you claiming that pace is other than a full season pace? What number did you use to arrive at that?

It was 82, coincidentally the same number of games in a full NHL season.... wasn't it, Squidward?

Full season =/= Full season pace

They are two different things.

Your argument only works if full season = full season pace

 

[bleedgreen]

18 years of playing over ppg is an amazing feat no matter how it’s looked at or how you prefer your numbers. I wasn’t a fan of the guy early on but his work ethic and determination is really something to give a slow clap to. He deserves his place near the top of the list. Hats off.

 

[Beau Knows]

Logan Couture played at a 103 point / 34 goal pace in those playoffs.

But by all means, feel free to argue that 65 point / 26 goal Gabriel Landeskog should have won the Hart over 36 goal / 104 point Sidney Crosby in 2014, cause it's fairly equivalent to claiming Crosby was better than Couture in the 2016 playoffs.

What's this pace stuff again? I thought you didn't care about paces?

Anyways Logan Couture lost the Stanley Cup, you know that players from the losing team rarely win the Conn Smythe unless they put up a historic performance. While he was excellent, he did not put up a historic performance. I don't know why you are so hung up on one of his two Conn Smythe's, or what it even has to do with the thread topic other than you just needing something to complain about.

 

[MeHateHe]

I'm constantly amazed that one or two guys can derail a thread so successfully. You really have to Putin the work to accomplish that so often.

 

[Peltz]

there's something inherently very weird to me about saying someone had "18 consecutive point per game seasons" when 4 of those seasons he had less points than the amount of games his team played

It’s amazing that no matter what positive and straightforward thing someone posts about a player, some dude like the guy I quoted above will come in to try and take a crap on it.

PPG is 100% self explanatory. You have to do some serious and deliberate mental gymnastics to even think about posting otherwise.

I’m creating a new stat: CCPT

It stands for Crap Posts Per Thread. You definitely have the talent to match Crosby’s PPG consistency and longevity with your CCPT stat. Just keep doing what your doing.