Could you imagine Jacobs ever saying this?

[GloryDaze4877]

Kraft trying to cheap out again like when Brady was here. He found out that isn’t working anymore. He’s going to have to pay out. He’s as cheap as Jacobs, except he got luck with a mega quarterback that took less money to play.

I hear this a lot. What was he specifically “cheaping out on”?

Patriots came in last year before in that player poll for the gym/facilities. This year building new facilities.

Cash spending? Yeah, he doesn’t spend as much up front cash as some other teams. I suspect that is linked to the way he has always run his other businesses. Can’t do that in the NFL. They did offer Ridley the biggest offer this past offseason and he didn’t want to come here.

I think the stuff about hiring other coaches who were under contract to another team, was a Bill thing (see Patricia and Judge). I heard rumors that Belichick had a coaching budget and his salary was linked to that (ie the less he spent, the more he got). Don’t know that to be fact, but the Patriots generally had one of the smaller coaching staffs with guys wearing multiple hats.

Anything else?

Edit: Kraft was not the one that didn’t want to give Brady that very reasonable 2 year/$50m deal. That was Bill. Unfortunately, Kraft sided with the wrong guy there, but I don’t think it was about money.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

The Sabres have that guy in Terry Pegula.

How's that worked out?

Pegula also owns the Buffalo Bills. They do quite well.

Vincent Viola owns the Florida Panthers. Originally from Brooklyn, still lives in NYC. No interest in hockey until he bought the team.

Seems the owner really doesn't have much to do with a team's success.



That's not true.

Okay. What have you seen that indicates their passion for Bruins hockey?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Okay. What have you seen that indicates their passion for Bruins hockey?

Mostly things said to the contrary by Charlie Jacobs and his father.

 

[chizzler]

I hear this a lot. What was he specifically “cheaping out on”?

Patriots came in last year before in that player poll for the gym/facilities. This year building new facilities.

Cash spending? Yeah, he doesn’t spend as much up front cash as some other teams. I suspect that is linked to the way he has always run his other businesses. Can’t do that in the NFL. They did offer Ridley the biggest offer this past offseason and he didn’t want to come here.

I think the stuff about hiring other coaches who were under contract to another team, was a Bill thing (see Patricia and Judge). I heard rumors that Belichick had a coaching budget and his salary was linked to that (ie the less he spent, the more he got). Don’t know that to be fact, but the Patriots generally had one of the smaller coaching staffs with guys wearing multiple hats.

Anything else?

Edit: Kraft was not the one that didn’t want to give Brady that very reasonable 2 year/$50m deal. That was Bill. Unfortunately, Kraft sided with the wrong guy there, but I don’t think it was about money.

Lol. You know it’s true……

P.S. good to here from you.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Lol. You know it’s true……

P.S. good to here from you.

I wasn’t being sarcastic. Was seriously asking in case I was missing something.

I tend to lurk more than I post.

 

[jmon1313]

Jacobs may lack passion, but they don't really meddle and they spend to the cap.

Kraft has been an absolute disaster for a few years at least and has not allowed maxing out the cap ever year or going over as you can in football.

 

[Eddie Munson]

Imagine for a second..... We won multiple Stanley cups between 2011-2014 and Chiarelli decides, I think Bergeron is a has been and we should move on. Jacobs agrees and we let Bergeron walk. The B's sign a washed up center to replace him, spend no money on the rest of the roster, and miss the playoffs. Bergeron wins the cup with his new team and declares "still gas in this tank." Jacobs freaks out, spends to the cap the next year and the teams squeaks into the playoffs and gets shellacked round one. Jacobs, satisfied we're now going in the right direction, rests back on his laurels and allows Chiarelli to compile a coaching staff of flunkies, imbeciles, and bafoons that aren't even a fit for the open positions, but hey, they're free. The team then spirals into one of the worst seasons in Jacobs tenure as owner, constant media scrutiny, players calling people out, the whole shebang. Jacobs says "I'm gonna ride with my guys" and the next season is even more of a disaster. Jacobs fires Chiarelli, the coaches, and then installs an AHLaAssistant coach that he has always liked and whom he promised the job to as coach and a rando zamboni driver as GM. The Bruins, as they're one to do, put out a smear campaign against Chiarelli leaking stories of how it was his decision to jettison Bergeron and a whole documentary is released glossing over the multiple Stanley Cup Championships but demonizes everything Chiarelli.. The year goes predictably but almost comically bad. BUT! There's a silver lining...... we just need to lose one game and we get the first overall pi.......

So I asks ya..... would anyone give a f*** at that point if Jacobs made a statement similar to Kraft?

~read to the voice of Mona Lisa Vito for optimal affect~

 

[UncleRico]

I would actually prefer Kraft act more like jacobs.

Jacobs recently has shut his mouth and spent up to the cap.

Kraft is constantly in the media and has been bottom 5 in spending in the NFL the past few years.

 

[smithformeragent]

As I said in the post game thread, Bob Sweeney announced last night that they will hold the gala fundraiser and celebration of the Jacob family’s 50 years of ownership.

That is half of this franchise’s existence.

I was born in 85, so was not around for the first 10 years of owner

I grew up hearing about how the team was always competitive, but one or two players away, and then ownership and management would not spend the money two of our extend.

I fell in love with the sport and with the team anyway.

30 years into the family’s ownership, the big walkout happens, resulting in a lost season. The old man and the hardline owners who championed him got their salary cap.

They essentially broke the players union and implemented the 24% rollback on existing salaries.

The Bruins badly misplayed that situation from a teambuilding standpoint, and we know the results. The franchise bottomed out, they doubt they’re superstar player, and fans stop showing up at the games.

And since then, it’s been pretty good and at times great. But now it feels like it may truly be over, and this franchise is at yet another turning point. Forget about the playoffs this year, and think about the bigger picture. Who do you want in charge of rebuilding this hockey organization?

Patriots fans can at least rest easy at night, knowing that nobody is going to take those six Super Bowl trophies out of the case.

You’ve got one Stanley Cup in 50 years.

 

[chrisab123]

Jacobs handling of his employees during COVID was awful. Yes, he’s running a business and yes he’s entitled to make money, but it’s worth noting that he was the last owner to come up with something and the plan was laughable. That said, it comes down to results, one cup in fifty years is really bad. I’m not sure why it seems like some fans give him the benefit of the doubt but I’d rather have Kraft and 6 superbowl wins than the status quo of the Bruins.

As everyone else mentioned, the ice might be the worst in the league, partially because of the Celtics playing on the court. Which btw if you’re collecting rent from the defending champs, you can’t go out and buy a new ice machine? Unfortunately most billionaires are penny pinchers so this tracks. It’s going to get really bad in Boston once the Celtics are sold to some corporation who will cut costs or FSG.

 

[EverettMike]

Jacobs handling of his employees during COVID was awful. Yes, he’s running a business and yes he’s entitled to make money, but it’s worth noting that he was the last owner to come up with something and the plan was laughable. That said, it comes down to results, one cup in fifty years is really bad. I’m not sure why it seems like some fans give him the benefit of the doubt but I’d rather have Kraft and 6 superbowl wins than the status quo of the Bruins.

As everyone else mentioned, the ice might be the worst in the league, partially because of the Celtics playing on the court. Which btw if you’re collecting rent from the defending champs, you can’t go out and buy a new ice machine? Unfortunately most billionaires are penny pinchers so this tracks. It’s going to get really bad in Boston once the Celtics are sold to some corporation who will cut costs or FSG.

It's not like they're the only hockey team splitting an arena with the basketball team. So why do they have the worst ice? Like you said, pinching pennies.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Yes I can imagine Jacobs being 2 faced and lying to the fans faces to keep them duped into buying tickets.

We all know Jacobs's track record of cheapness but at least he does 2 things you want from any owner...stays out of the way and spends to the cap

 

[Dr Hook]

It's not like they're the only hockey team splitting an arena with the basketball team. So why do they have the worst ice? Like you said, pinching pennies.

I'm always down for a good ownership scorch when deserved, but this one I think is beyond JJ at this point. @Fenway explained at one point that the major flaw (and one even the Edmonton ice gurus couldn't help) is in the building design. To fix it would require major renovation work. Why it was allowed into the design in the first place is a legit question, though.

 

[EverettMike]

I'm always down for a good ownership scorch when deserved, but this one I think is beyond JJ at this point. @Fenway explained at one point that the major flaw (and one even the Edmonton ice gurus couldn't help) is in the building design. To fix it would require major renovation work. Why it was allowed into the design in the first place is a legit question, though.

So he should pay to have it fixed, right? I mean, if it would require closing the arena down for two years I get it, but something tells me there's, at least, a costly way to do it without shutting down.

 

[Dr Hook]

So he should pay to have it fixed, right? I mean, if it would require closing the arena down for two years I get it, but something tells me there's, at least, a costly way to do it without shutting down.

I can't remember the exact details, (@Fenway help lol) but it has something to do with the sub floors below the arena floor, so renovating would I believe, call for the garden to be closed for a significant amount of time. I wish they would just do it- if the Yotes can play in a college arena, the Bruins could move to an alternate location for a season if needed to get decent ice. But I understand why they won't, not after all the millions poured into the building complex to make it a 'destination' spot.

 

[jgatie]

Want to improve the ice? Get rid of the basketball team that puts wood on top of it 45 time a season.

The majority of teams have basketball in the same building. MSG certainly does. That barn is the oldest in the league and I don't hear any complaints about their ice. It is well known that TD has had an insufficient ice plant since day 1. The ice is horrible, regardless of whether the Celtics play on it or not.

 

[jgatie]

I can't remember the exact details, (@Fenway help lol) but it has something to do with the sub floors below the arena floor, so renovating would I believe, call for the garden to be closed for a significant amount of time. I wish they would just do it- if the Yotes can play in a college arena, the Bruins could move to an alternate location for a season if needed to get decent ice. But I understand why they won't, not after all the millions poured into the building complex to make it a 'destination' spot.

I thought them moving the Pro Shop to the concourse level was supposed to fix that problem.

 

[Dr Hook]

I thought them moving the Pro Shop to the concourse level was supposed to fix that problem.

could be? If so, it didn't work

 

[BMC]

I have zero doubt he AND Jacobs want to win, I just wish Bobby Orr heard the deal Jacobs offered him to stay in Boston.

I would have to think Orr in the mix all these years the B's may have looked different.

Imagine saying no if Orr wanted you to come to Boston to be on his team that he had ownership in?

Oh man talk about what if. Even if he had had to retire when he did, I can't imagine any player not wanting to play for a team with him on it in some capacity.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

The majority of teams have basketball in the same building. MSG certainly does. That barn is the oldest in the league and I don't hear any complaints about their ice. It is well known that TD has had an insufficient ice plant since day 1. The ice is horrible, regardless of whether the Celtics play on it or not.

I didnt say IT was the problem, but it would be a good start

 

[Gordoff]

Many of you know I am not a huge Jeremy Jacobs fan. I won't belabor you with my long standing gripes. However, can you ever imagine him saying anything like what Kraft said yesterday? Particularly the parts I put in red (my emphais)? I cannot.

Say what you will about Kraft, winning is the first, middle, and last objective. I do not believe the same is true for Jacobs.

Here's the transcript of the parts of yesterday's press conference dealing with Mayo, money, and winning. I cut out the bits about who might be a potential replacement because it doesn't fit the Jacobs/Kraft comparison angle.

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“I’m going to be very brief here and say this whole situation is on me. I feel terrible for Jerod because I put him in an untenable situation. I know that he has all the tools as a head coach to be successful in this league. He just needed more time before taking the job. In the end, I’m a fan of this team first, and now I have to go out and find a coach who can get us back to the playoffs and, hopefully, Championships.”

“We’re open for questions.”

Robert, just when was the decision made? In your mind, when was it that you felt you needed to let him go?
“This whole situation evolved, but I’d say over the last month, I went back and forth, and … I don’t know. In my life and my business, I make certain decisions I know when it’s right, and it just happened. It was very hard because the personal relationship I feel for Jerod and the human being he is. I felt guilty I put him in that position. But we’re moving on.”

Robert, I know that you don’t make snap decisions. So I was wondering, at what point during the season did you sense something was not right? And if you could expand on that, what caught your attention that something wasn’t right?
“Well, in the important decisions in my life, I’ve always said I measure nine times and cut once. And this was one of those situations. I guess the main thing for me is I felt we regressed. The high point of everything for me was winning in the Cincinnati game. And then in midseason, I just think we started to regress.”

Robert, how significantly has fan reaction to the product on the field and to Jerod specifically played into your decision?
“I’m the biggest fan, so I understand. Since the day we bought this team and I realized what a privilege it was and how lucky we were as a family that this is the only business we’re involved in, where I see ourselves, we don’t own this team. It’s owned by the fans of this region. We’re custodians of a very special asset of the community. That’s why that helps me try to make decisions that if it was just personal, it would be different.”

Robert, when you say that the situation was untenable, what about it specifically did you find untenable, and how will that influence how you approach this search?
“I don’t like losing. I don’t like losing the way we lost. Just things were not developing the way we would have liked, and it was time to move on.”

I know this was very difficult for you to sit down with him. How did he take it? How did he respond? Was he shocked by the news?
“He was a man. Look, it was one of the more difficult things I’ve had to do in my life because I had such affection for him, and I believe in him, and I really do believe he will go on, and as he gets more experience, he’ll be successful. It was not easy. He was a gentleman and accepted it that way.”

Robert, this is going to be very expensive. Buying out a coaching staff, bringing in an all new coaching staff, perhaps it goes to the personnel department. You also have $120 million in cap space this year, the most in the league. Will what you spend on this transition affect anything that you spend on players this offseason?
“The answer is no. We’ve always had a situation where we spend to the cap, and if we go over the … We have never told any coach or limited the spending. The only thing we’ve said is, ‘if you exceed the cap, we’d like to see it leveled out over three years so that we never get way out of hand.’ But spending to the cap or above the cap is not… We want to win. That’s our priority first.”

You guys were told this was a multi-year rebuild, that it wasn’t going to turn around in one year. You said you believe in Jerod, you think he’ll be better with more experience. Why not let him get that experience here, knowing, going in, this was a multi-year process?
“From my point of view, I just thought we had a rough year last year. Not 24, 23. Going through two years like that and then seeing where we were this year, and especially the second half of the year, just made me feel we weren’t going in the right direction. And I don’t want to go through this next year, and we’re going to do what we got to do to fix it.”

Robert, we saw Jonathan very animated during the Cardinals game on television. How much was he involved in this decision and how is he going to be involved in this decision about who your next coach will be?
“Well, for over 30 years, he’s been with me in most decisions I’ve made in my life, surely business ones that are important. So he will continue to be involved with me.”

Holy shit, you will never ever hear a Jacobs ever say that about the
Boston Bruins.
Not unless the family relocated here and the 3rd generation of Jacob's "lucky sperm club" children's children become actual fans.
I don't know if being a fan though matters because when I look at teams who are owned by fans (Sabres) I see year after year after year of emptyness.
Kraft is a different kind of guy, he's a fan with an actual clue.
Of course he lucked out with Brady and didn't screw him up with
dummy's running/coaching the team. He was just involved enough to not get in the way. This may all be changing now though, we shall see.

 

[Gordoff]

I hear this a lot. What was he specifically “cheaping out on”?

Patriots came in last year before in that player poll for the gym/facilities. This year building new facilities.

Cash spending? Yeah, he doesn’t spend as much up front cash as some other teams. I suspect that is linked to the way he has always run his other businesses. Can’t do that in the NFL. They did offer Ridley the biggest offer this past offseason and he didn’t want to come here.

I think the stuff about hiring other coaches who were under contract to another team, was a Bill thing (see Patricia and Judge). I heard rumors that Belichick had a coaching budget and his salary was linked to that (ie the less he spent, the more he got). Don’t know that to be fact, but the Patriots generally had one of the smaller coaching staffs with guys wearing multiple hats.

Anything else?

Edit: Kraft was not the one that didn’t want to give Brady that very reasonable 2 year/$50m deal. That was Bill. Unfortunately, Kraft sided with the wrong guy there, but I don’t think it was about money.

Installing a new ice plant would be a good start.
They talked about doing it during the Covid shutdown.
Didn't happen.
But, at least they put in all of those new, narrower, more uncomfortable seats
and that ridiculously huge albatross hanging over the ice.

Oh man talk about what if. Even if he had had to retire when he did, I can't imagine any player not wanting to play for a team with him on it in some capacity.

So instead they hire him as their agent. Even better!

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Installing a new ice plant would be a good start.
They talked about doing it during the Covid shutdown.
Didn't happen.
But, at least they put in all of those new, narrower, more uncomfortable seats
and that ridiculously huge albatross hanging over the ice.

Dude, if you actually read my post, I was talking about Kraft, not Jacobs

 

[Gordoff]

Dude, if you actually read my post, I was talking about Kraft, not Jacobs

Sorry Joe, I'm seeing red tonight. I'll re-read it.

Dude, if you actually read my post, I was talking about Kraft, not Jacobs

Okay, I re-read it.
You asked:
"I hear this a lot. What was he specifically “cheaping out on”?
And I answered it.
A new ice plant.
Were you asking that about Jacobs or Kraft?
I thought the subject was the Jacobs.
Anyway, I meant no offense. Sorry if it came off that way.

 

[Gordoff]

BTW: The Bruins have had much cheaper/worse owners that the Jacobs family.
Back in the day though there wasn't anywhere near the cash streams available to
teams as there are now so for example in the '50's and '60s until Orr the Bruins
had little cash to work with as opposed to now.